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[Sylvester217]

I think it's time to open a CLA subforum...
4 out of 5 recent threads are about him...

I like his work, though...

[Pastor Obviedo]

Originally Posted by Sylvester217

I think it's time to open a CLA subforum...
4 out of 5 recent threads are about him...

I like his work, though...

[Pastor Obviedo]

So...

E from Resonate?

[CeretoneAudio]

Different

As you can see resonate still have the old board

resonate: studio A

[Winey]

Did he take over the Can Am console?

[Pastor Obviedo]

Originally Posted by CeretoneAudio

Different

As you can see resonate still have the old board

resonate: studio A

Oh! So you can actually rent and use CLA classic console. That's nice. I bet that console have the magic.

Is it me or CLA mixes from the "Resonate" days sounded punchier?

[nickelironsteel]

its you

[Oroz]

Originally Posted by nickelironsteel

its you

You really think so? Different consoles sound different even with the same guy at the chair.

[andyspiller]

Different records also sound different with the same guy . . . . . :-)

[Oroz]

Originally Posted by andyspiller

Different records also sound different with the same guy . . . . . :-)

Didn't get it.

To me it's an interesting subject that a console has its sound, it may sound punchier, kinda like each guitar has its own sound.

[andyspiller]

OK I will try and make it simpler in a long-winded way. The point you were making is that an engineer at 2 different desks creates 2 different sounding products. We would need to hear the same record mixed on 2 different consoles, or 2 variants of the same console/manufacturer by the same mixing engineer for that to even remotely be true, surely? I don't know if such a thing exists although I would happily listen to such a comparison.

Just listening to an analog master and digital =master of the same record can provide remarkably different results - take "So" as an example of this particular kind of difference.

My point is that a mixing engineer is doing what they consider to be the right thing for the record, and every different record by nature will sound different, even when the common denominator is the mix engineer with the same desk. The desk is a tool which helps the mix engineer achieve the desired effect, not the console dictating how the record sounds particularly IMHO.

[andyspiller]

Originally Posted by Oroz

Didn't get it.

To me it's an interesting subject that a console has its sound, it may sound punchier, kinda like each guitar has its own sound.

Take 2 guitarists playing the same guitar through the same amp and everything. Do they sound the same?

[Empire Prod]

You never hear people giving credit to Wolfgang Pucks oven, stove or pans for the great meal they just ate but when it comes to engineering for whatever reason there is this overemphasis placed on gear. When you see an awesome house do you think to yourself about what model hammer the framers probably used? Renting out the console at Resonate won't give you that CLA punch anymore than trying to cook in Wolgangs kitchen and using his cookbook to emulate his settings. Imagination, talent, skill and instinct aren't part of the SSL automation package. Sorry.

[jordanvoth]

Originally Posted by Empire Prod

You never hear people giving credit to Wolfgang Pucks oven, stove or pans for the great meal they just ate but when it comes to engineering for whatever reason there is this overemphasis placed on gear. When you see an awesome house do you think to yourself about what model hammer the framers probably used? Renting out the console at Resonate won't give you that CLA punch anymore than trying to cook in Wolgangs kitchen and using his cookbook to emulate his settings. Imagination, talent, skill and instinct aren't part of the SSL automation package. Sorry.

Thank you for saying this. You people are nuts.

[Allaboutrhythm]

Jordanvoth, I think you might be my new hero. (Although I might be one of the crazies)

[superwack]

If CLA and I switched studios for the day (possible, he's just around the corner) his mixes would still sound like CLA and mine still would not and I don't even own his "signature" Waves bundle!

The one thing of his I do aspire to copy is his per-mix fee... sadly, I'm probably even further away from that!!!

[jordanvoth]

Originally Posted by Allaboutrhythm

Jordanvoth, I think you might be my new hero. (Although I might be one of the crazies)

Almost face palm worthy or not if you're being sarcastic, I work a day job and pursue recording as an extremely expensive hobby. I do however happen to love CLA's work most of the time. I think his new batch of Green Day mixes suck, and I think his last batch of My Chemical Romance mixes suck also and when I say "suck" I should mention they suck within the context of his other mixes like American Idiot. How he can get tracks to slam through the speakers like that without sounding like a complete amateur is incredible. I just feel that he's now sloping off even more bottom end for the sake of the mastering process and to me that's a mistake. Either way, Resonates console, my copy of Cubase 6, or whatever you give him he's going to give you a quality product. It's his ears and aesthetic.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by andyspiller

OK I will try and make it simpler in a long-winded way. The point you were making is that an engineer at 2 different desks creates 2 different sounding products. We would need to hear the same record mixed on 2 different consoles, or 2 variants of the same console/manufacturer by the same mixing engineer for that to even remotely be true, surely? I don't know if such a thing exists although I would happily listen to such a comparison.

Totally.

Actually what you'd need to do is take the outboard from the first mix, move it to the new studio, recall the mix on the new console, and print a new pass, then compare.

Except recall is only accurate to .25dB/pot, so even on the same console you won't get the exact same recall.

But yeah - if CLA's mixes "don't sound the same" as they used to, it's almost certainly because of CLA, not his gear.

[Oroz]

You guys got it totally wrong but that's OK. I mean what I'm trying to say not what you're saying if that make sense : )