Crane song Spider / Hedd

[nickelironsteel]

did anyone ever compare the Phoenix II AAX plugin with the tapesim on the HEDD?

[gainreduction]

Two Spiders in the studio here. Best thing ever. Dave Hill is my hero.

Ours go directly via AES into PTHD and I have never thought about any noticeable latency. Many of the best musicians available in the country have tracked through them and no one has ever complained about latency. All of them have commented on them sounding great!

I don´t know if the tape sim is the same as in the HEDD. Similar at least I can imagine. Don´t use it much to be honest as I like keeping things clean while tracking.

I think the Spider is one of those buy once, keep and use for the rest of your life pieces. Expensive but worth every penny in the long run.

They run veeery hot so make sure you leave space around the unit for ventilation.

Can´t go wrong with Spiders, absolutely stunning sound and quality throughout.

[jono]

Originally Posted by gainreduction

Two Spiders in the studio here. Best thing ever. Dave Hill is my hero.

Ours go directly via AES into PTHD and I have never thought about any noticeable latency. Many of the best musicians available in the country have tracked through them and no one has ever complained about latency. All of them have commented on them sounding great!

I don´t know if the tape sim is the same as in the HEDD. Similar at least I can imagine. Don´t use it much to be honest as I like keeping things clean while tracking.

I think the Spider is one of those buy once, keep and use for the rest of your life pieces. Expensive but worth every penny in the long run.

They run veeery hot so make sure you leave space around the unit for ventilation.

Can´t go wrong with Spiders, absolutely stunning sound and quality throughout.

+1. I had two for a while. Fantastic...The tape sim on the spider is useful - I liked it on drum buss...nice. Loved those things - great pre's, great converters, great everything...

[mark714]

Tape process on HEDD and Spider sounded the same to me. The "Fat" setting on the channels is pretty aggressive, but I use that in place of the pentode/triode functions on the HEDD if needed.

Since the subject of latency was brought up, have any Spider owners calculated the actual latency created by going out digital into blue 192's vs. going directly to 192's analog inputs?

[Rickard Bengtsso]

Thanks for the replies.

Please share your experiences more with the spider.
How are you using it? Where do you think it shines the most?
Any tips and tricks:-)

Thanks

[crille_mannen]

CraneSong Spider owner here.

I use it mainly just for tracking. Has been the heart in my studio since i bought it 2years ago. I tend to use the tape sim on drums and vocals. The tape sim. Smooths out the vocals a little bit in a nice way. I always have the FAT button engaged simply because i love what it does to the sound. Without it i would describe the preamp as really clean.

Expensive yes, but you get so much value for the $. 8preamps, AD and the tape sim. And you can use it as an analogue sum device. Nothing can beat that for 8k.

[gainreduction]

Don't forget you get 10 channels of AD + tape sim although there are only 8 pres.

[Rickard Bengtsso]

Nice!
Let me know if you are selling yours guys! I am buying:-)
How would you describe the fat button?
Is it something like pentode or triode on the hedd?

Thanks
Rickard

[Rickard Bengtsso]

Nice!
Let me know if you are selling yours guys! I am buying:-)
How would you describe the fat button?
Is it something like pentode or triode on the hedd?

Thanks
Rickard

[Rickard Bengtsso]

Just ordered one:-)
Getting it within two weeks:-))

[JohannesW]

Originally Posted by Rickard Bengtsso

Nice!
Let me know if you are selling yours guys! I am buying:-)
How would you describe the fat button?
Is it something like pentode or triode on the hedd?

Thanks
Rickard

there is one for sale in Finland, 4700€
Muusikoiden.net - Tori - Crane Song Spider -8 kanavainen etuaste (#686880)

[Rickard Bengtsso]

Thanks!
I just ordered a brand new spider .
I
Waiting for its arrival:-)

[Rickard Bengtsso]

So I recieved a new spider and I have some thoughts.
Are there no balanced stereo bus analog outputs? The manual tells me to use the insert jacks and connect the tip with the ring for unbalanced operation .
Or am I missing something?
And are the tape process not affecting the analog stereo output ?

[gainreduction]

The tape process is digital, post-AD. If you use the insert points as analog outs you are not getting the tape emu.

[Timesaver800W]

For what it's worth, the color in the Egret is without latency. I just love this process to death, totally analogue and wonderful....

[shipshape]

The Spider is the best mic pre for me for most everything to me , never without it and the Fat button is wonderful ! Fat is right !
I also use the Hedd , 16 channels of Egret for summing and the Ibis for buss Eq.
Dave Hill is the man !!!
Shipshape

[dhiltonlittle]

Originally Posted by shipshape

The Spider is the best mic pre for me for most everything to me , never without it and the Fat button is wonderful ! Fat is right !
I also use the Hedd , 16 channels of Egret for summing and the Ibis for buss Eq.
Dave Hill is the man !!!
Shipshape

Have you tried the Dave Hill Europa Pre's? I got a pair a while back and love them! Also use the Ibis/Hedd/STC8. Big DH fan here as well.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by shipshape

The Spider is the best mic pre for me for most everything to me , never without it and the Fat button is wonderful ! Fat is right !
I also use the Hedd , 16 channels of Egret for summing and the Ibis for buss Eq.
Dave Hill is the man !!!
Shipshape

+1 (no idea about the egret, never used one).



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[Rickard Bengtsso]

Thanks for your replies.
Since I've got the spider I noticed that especially the levelpots were feeling quite different from eachother mechanically when turning them.
Some had ok recistance and som quite sloppy. Some also felt a bit loose.
Also the rackears had marks from being racked before !!
Not what you would expect from a product of this quality, brand new and sealed from factory:-(
Could someone else please speak about the tolerance of their spiderpots:-)

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by Rickard Bengtsso

Thanks for your replies.
Since I've got the spider I noticed that especially the levelpots were feeling quite different from eachother mechanically when turning them.
Some had ok recistance and som quite sloppy. Some also felt a bit loose.
Also the rackears had marks from being racked before !!
Not what you would expect from a product of this quality, brand new and sealed from factory:-(
Could someone else please speak about the tolerance of their spiderpots:-)

send it back.

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[mark714]

My level pots are all fine, but I know what you are talking about. One of my Trakkers had a funky pot that worked just fine but the travel on it was *very* inconsistent compared to the others. It was more of a nuisance than anything but certainly not normal.

I'm sure that at a minimum they will send you replacement parts for free, and they probably have a EU service center set up. The rack ears on mine are removable, I imagine they could easily ship you new ones if that's an issue. My guess is they racked it up while burning it in.

Sorry to hear about your disappointment, but you really are in good hands with Crane Song.

[dulldull]

Spider owner here, thinking of getting another one in the future (or an Egret connected to digital outs for more summing channels)

Since I notice a few friends here with more than one unit, I have a few questions in mind:

- Do you use the same power supply for both units, or do you power them separately? (I believe it is possible to feed 2 units from the same PS)

- If one PS, can you order the Spider without PS?

- How is the interconnection done? Is it reliable?

Also, I'm very happy with the Spider in many ways, except that the buttons seem to be quite unreliable. In many cases they do not latch properly, causing a 6dB drop in level!! (It just happened to me today during mixing) In the case of the +48V switch, I have one or two channels that can't feed phantom power anymore because of a faulty switch. I live in Hong Kong where the climate is humid, but my studio is quite dry maybe because of the insulation material.

In another studio where I used to work, they have an Avocet (one of the first units produced), and the buttons are totally awful! We were never sure if we engaged the T/B button, oftentimes talking to the artist without him/her hearing a single word!

Lastly, I bought an Ibis from a fellow producer (to replace my GML8200 which has serious image shift). I found it quite harsh sounding compared to the GML, which I ended up sticking to despite the stereo imbalance.


Thanks in advance for any replies.

Harris

[Rickard Bengtsso]

I also have problems with quality in the pots on my new spider!
Several of them feels almost mechanicly loose!
Bought factory sealed!
Cranesong are replying my complain with that the pots are not cheap!
The rackears had marks from beeing used plus channels 8 has are not set in the same sensitivity range.
It is at least 6db different from the other channels!
The sound are all good and is what I should care for!
But if I were to sell this unit, I would see people reacting to these issues.
Wich will result in a lower second hand value.
I an dissapointed with how Cranesong have handled my complains. I actially did not recieve any answer from my last mail!
I hear others having good experiences with cranesongs service!
But not in this case!!

[blake1]

I have a Cransong Spider for sale with the adat out.

I live in Brooklyn New York.

Call 908-343-1843
Local pickup only.

will put this in fs thread as well.