26th August 2012
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#31 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by tobi-mobile  But with recordings on location: Will I hear the difference between V76 pre amplification and let's say Vintech 473 in my changing surroundings? | As RB mentioned, Vintechs are not that great but in your situation unless you're stuck with a really crappy pre, you're splitting hairs. You can find used 1073dpa's for 2k these days.. Sell your V76s and get 2 1073dpa and a 3124. 4 channels of Neve and 4 Api. That's what I would do.
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26th August 2012
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#32 | | Lives for gear
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if youre gonna do it get a 10 space 500 series rack and get some MA5's and Capi pre amps..ime the vintech is meh and the capi api's sound better than the 3124.
portable and sonically will do the trick for remotes.
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27th August 2012
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#33 | | Gear Head
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Originally Posted by RoundBadge if youre gonna do it get a 10 space 500 series rack and get some MA5's and Capi pre amps..ime the vintech is meh and the capi api's sound better than the 3124.
portable and sonically will do the trick for remotes. | I think that is exactly what I will do. I will sell them, get a 10 space 500 rack and fit it with 8 fine pres that i can use easily on location. Maybe in perfect surroundings i would hear a difference to those V76. And, to be honest, it is sad to sell something rare and get some new stuff for it. But i need some more good pres and i think this will improve my mobile recording rig and workflow.
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27th August 2012
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#34 | | Gear addict
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Well, if you're going to sell your V-76's, what are you asking for them? I have a spare 500 series lunchbox I can throw in to sweeten the deal. It'll get you on your way to portable 500 world.
JJ
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27th August 2012
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#35 | | Gear addict
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You may want to consider that those prices have nothing to do with what they actually go for.here in berlin there is a delaer who's offering pristine refurbished v76s at 1500,-...for weeks..including warranty and VAT.
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27th August 2012
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#36 | | Gear Head
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I hope to get at least 2000,00 € each. Maybe another 250 for a custom rack for them.
You can find them on ebay right now.
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27th August 2012
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#37 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by RFZ DUDE You may want to consider that those prices have nothing to do with what they actually go for.here in berlin there is a delaer who's offering pristine refurbished v76s at 1500,-...for weeks..including warranty and VAT. | What dealer?
Tobi, Im bidding on those  e
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27th August 2012
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#38 | | Gear Head
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Originally Posted by RFZ DUDE You may want to consider that those prices have nothing to do with what they actually go for.here in berlin there is a delaer who's offering pristine refurbished v76s at 1500,-...for weeks..including warranty and VAT. | Who is it? 1500 for a refurbished one are way too less compared to others.
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27th August 2012
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#39 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by tobi-mobile Who is it? 1500 for a refurbished one are way too less compared to others. | i got those three units for 2100.- euros total..i have used those numerous times in the past and really like them but i would have never paid more than that.will NOT gonna sell them.
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27th August 2012
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#40 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by RFZ DUDE i got those three units for 2100.- euros total..i have used those numerous times in the past and really like them but i would have never paid more than that.will NOT gonna sell them. | So there is no dealer offering V76s for 1500 € ?
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28th August 2012
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#41 | | Gear addict
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No longer....
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28th August 2012
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#42 | | Gear Head
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ok, I sold them. I will go to 500 lunchbox with maybe:
4 Classic API V28
2 Avedis MA5
2 Burl B1
2 Classic API VC528
This will give me a lot of high quality coloration next to my Metric Halo ULN-8 Preamps.
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28th August 2012
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#43 | | Lives for gear
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Congrats I think you did the right thing.
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28th August 2012
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#44 | | Lives for gear
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He did!
I have a pair of vp28's
Great stuff
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28th August 2012
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#45 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by tobi-mobile ok, I sold them. I will go to 500 lunchbox with maybe:
4 Classic API V28
2 Avedis MA5
2 Burl B1
2 Classic API VC528
This will give me a lot of high quality coloration next to my Metric Halo ULN-8 Preamps. |
I'd suggest to get:
4 x MA5
4 X API or api-ish (like CAPI or BAE 312)
2 x Forssell SMP-2 for the clean side..
If you get the Purple lunchbox will be full, if you'll get the BAE, you should still have 1 slot free..
Just my 0.02$, 
Cheu
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28th August 2012
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#46 | | Gear Head
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I love this place. You all did give me some really good input on this. I am now getting rid of my last V276 and V376 modules and custom racks on ebay. Yeah, they sound great, but it is just not flexible for mobile recordings.
Really looking forward to my new 500 series addiction you nerds pushed me in ;-)
I hope I won't regret it in a few years...
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29th August 2012
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#47 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by tobi-mobile I love this place. You all did give me some really good input on this. I am now getting rid of my last V276 and V376 modules and custom racks on ebay. Yeah, they sound great, but it is just not flexible for mobile recordings.
Really looking forward to my new 500 series addiction you nerds pushed me in ;-)
I hope I won't regret it in a few years... | whats not flexible with V276s and V376s?
really, give it a thought - nothing as toy-like and bling bling as most of that 500 series stuff.
your v276s ect. have been designed by real masters of their trade in the high time of analog audio.
they are not just a generic pcb with a generic design bolted to a frontplate...
anyways, enjoy!
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29th August 2012
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#48 | | Lives for gear
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getting rid of siemens for lunchbox modules is just beyond comprehension
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29th August 2012
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#49 | | Lives for gear
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As a person that records on location a lot I would say it's the pretty smart thing to do. I had and still have few vintage pre's that are just unusable outside the studio - too big and heavy, too many failures. What's the point to have nice WSW tube preamps (I had those) if after the few bumps on the road they stop working for whatever reason (and no, tubes was fine, I spent 1 hour trying to figure out what's wrong) ? The same was with vintage solid state Siemens, 2 pots stopped working at the gig and those were for HPF stuck at 80Hz. Now I use mainly SCA preamps and believe me, they sound equally beautiful, no compromise here. I'm pretty sure 500 series are no worse.
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29th August 2012
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#50 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by tobi-mobile
Really looking forward to my new 500 series addiction you nerds pushed me in ;-)
I hope I won't regret it in a few years...
| Well, I think the majority was against you selling so... you had already decided to sell and wanted some aknowledgement and you got it from a few  Anyway, Im sure your 500 box will do fine, good luck!
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29th August 2012
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#51 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by cyjanopan As a person that records on location a lot I would say it's the pretty smart thing to do. I had and still have few vintage pre's that are just unusable outside the studio - too big and heavy, too many failures. What's the point to have nice WSW tube preamps (I had those) if after the few bumps on the road they stop working for whatever reason (and no, tubes was fine, I spent 1 hour trying to figure out what's wrong) ? The same was with vintage solid state Siemens, 2 pots stopped working at the gig and those were for HPF stuck at 80Hz. Now I use mainly SCA preamps and believe me, they sound equally beautiful, no compromise here. I'm pretty sure 500 series are no worse. |
your modules must have been poorly serviced.
i do location as well & because of my experience with 500 series stuff from various studios i would never ever rely on those.
the power supply is a joke - in most any box out there..the mechanics are so sub-standart with many manufacturers too....a crappy thin pcb, angle bracket from the hardware store bolted to a frontplate and off in the cheap-pc style housing.
thats tuly not high-end.
if you want to go deeper have a look at the designs of some of those hyped cards (´cause they are no modules really) - they work in a way mostly but how many of those designs are so full of errors made by self-titled bedroom designers.
you can get some laughs out of this whole 500 thing - it perfectly shows how dumb many of us are.give ´em cool colors, knobs that engage functions that would never find any use in a real recording situation.
sorry guys i dont want to sound bitter on this but thats my educated, real life experience with the whole 500 series train.
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29th August 2012
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#52 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by nickelironsteel getting rid of siemens for lunchbox modules is just beyond comprehension | I can understand your comment, and I couls also partly agree, but the OP needs something portable, so there's a function involved, AND there are few modules that are incredibly well crafted and sounds incredibly well (like the MA5, for exemple).. I'm not discussing if it's better or not than a TAB (this is taste/genre/source dependent), but it's equally well made in the WORST case.
The MA5 it's probably one of the few modules that makes really worth stepping in to the 500 series game IMO.
Just my 0.02$,
Cheu
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29th August 2012
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#53 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by cheu78 I can understand your comment, and I couls also partly agree, but the OP needs something portable, so there's a function involved, AND there are few modules that are incredibly well crafted and sounds incredibly well (like the MA5, for exemple).. I'm not discussing if it's better or not than a TAB (this is taste/genre/source dependent), but it's equally well made in the WORST case.
The MA5 it's probably one of the few modules that makes really worth stepping in to the 500 series game IMO.
Just my 0.02$,
Cheu | dont know the MA5, heard good things though.
have a look at this....equally well crafted?   | |
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29th August 2012
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#54 | | Gear Head
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Originally Posted by RFZ DUDE | Answer: Yes.
What's this comparison good for? You like the V76 more because it has tubes and more transformers? And it costs ten times as much. The other unit looks perfectly made, but it's not the same.
Well, as others here said: For mobile recordings it seems to be the better way for me. I also had problems with Lowcut and gain switches. Not reliable after 50 years.
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29th August 2012
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#55 | | Gear Head
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Originally Posted by Showcase Well, I think the majority was against you selling so... you had already decided to sell and wanted some aknowledgement and you got it from a few Anyway, Im sure your 500 box will do fine, good luck! | You're right. But some of you also gave good tipps for 500 pres :-)
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29th August 2012
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#56 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by tobi-mobile Answer: Yes.
What's this comparison good for? You like the V76 more because it has tubes and more transformers? And it costs ten times as much. The other unit looks perfectly made, but it's not the same.
Well, as others here said: For mobile recordings it seems to be the better way for me. I also had problems with Lowcut and gain switches. Not reliable after 50 years. | you obviously dont have a clue - 500 series is just for you.
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29th August 2012
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#57 | | Gear Head
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Originally Posted by RFZ DUDE you obviously dont have a clue - 500 series is just for you. | Funny that you get so angry about other people having a different opinion. I've worked for 5 years now with V76 V72 V276 V376 V676. They all sounded great. Maybe the 500 series modules won't sound as good. Many people told me here. But for my personal practical use it just didn't work out and 500 series might improve the workflow for what I do.
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29th August 2012
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#58 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by tobi-mobile Funny that you get so angry about other people having a different opinion. I've worked for 5 years now with V76 V72 V276 V376 V676. They all sounded great. Maybe the 500 series modules won't sound as good. Many people told me here. But for my personal practical use it just didn't work out and 500 series might improve the workflow for what I do. |
Hey man- ignore the angry ignoramus. The classic audio vp28 is one of the best pres I have used, period, and that includes numerous high end solid state and tube rack units.
The guy admits he never heard an avedis ma5, no doubt he never heard a classic audio vp28, nor used it as a line sweetner, nor used avedsi e27, nor buzz essence, nor the BAC500, nor chandler little devil eq, yet he disses 500 series, yes 500 series is not for him for sure 
GJ
Newcastle/OZ
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29th August 2012
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#59 | | Gear addict
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You asked for an opinion, you got an opinion.Nothing but that.
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29th August 2012
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#60 | | Lives for gear
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I do loads of film/tv,music remote stuff.
been using 500 series products under high pressure "do or die/one take" situations for years.
I also have lugged around the big heavy racks of Neve,Daking etc. 
the latest api 500 series racks are robust enough to get the job done.
a good shock mounted case certainly doesn't hurt.
no one has ever complained about it sonically and at the end of the day the invoices get paid.
as much as I love a good old tube mic pre,for size,portability and sonics the capi api and the avedis pres will be great for your workflow.
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