PMC AML-1.... OMFG!

[heinz]

Finally after scraping, saving, and waiting WAY too long I received a pair of AML-1's today. Good morning! It was like hearing music again for the first time. The bass response is absolutely astonishing... massive depth and clarity.

Mind you I was running with ns10m's before, so it was quite a leap. Absolutely worth every penny... was surprised how well the ns10 mixes translated, but the NOISE and the CRAP hit me in the face like a hammer. Now I gotta go back and remix EVERYTHING.

I'm going to be relistening to my favorite cd's for at least a month, my wife and kids are gonna kill me.

Thumbs up from my little corner of the world!!

[NathanEldred]

Have you burnt them in yet? The bass gets better after about 40 hours of play. Make sure you get the pleasure of hearing them at 10 feet also, the 30hz is quite developed at that distance.

[heinz]

Nathan thanks, I bought these slightly used (they are near mint!) from a very kind gentlemen at Streetlight Studios in NYC, so they are already broken in. And yes, my room is 12x20 so I've aired them out at distance and they are spectacular. Honestly I am freaking out at the low end response from this small nearfield, they seem to defy physics...

[Wiggy Neve Slut]

Just how good are these speakers....!!!!

Im gona be selling either my ass or my soul for a pair for my new room im building over summer... bring it on!

And yes large room with good litreage/volume is needed.

SO EXCITED!

Enjoy ya speakers dude!
Wiggy

[BevvyB]

Those speakers are frikkin awesome

I had a chance to buy some here quite cheap BUT I DIDN'T 'COS I'M A COMPLETE ASSHOLE ARRGHHHH!!!!

The next pair of speakers I buy will be those. Putting on stuff you think you know becomes a whole new ball game with a lot of surprises. I want!!!

Oh, and mixing on those things is EASY PEASY. No thought required.

[Wiggy Neve Slut]

I am putting my bryston amp purchases on ice now... until i have enoug ham for these puppies.

SLAVE to PMC's
Wiggy

[The MPCist]

I'm presently using PMC TB2's with a Bryston... bought these after trying them against Dynaudio Air, Tannoy, and a few others...

How much do these new monitors cost? Curious...

[heinz]

Originally posted by The MPCist
How much do these new monitors cost? Curious...

Thanks for the good vibes guys. I feel like a kid again.

MPCist I believe these sell a hair over $5k/pr new. I got lucky and found them up for auction at $3k.

[Rea]

id LOVE to get the AML-1's
anyone knows a good deal/
you may PM me so nathan dosnt get mad
as
lso, anyine can compare them to the ATC 20 active series
(they look the same, with same sizes and all+the ATC well known #1 quality).

[Benjy King]

The 'breaking in' period is a thing of the past.

I heard them at 'Dale Pro Audio' in Manhattan. They offered me a very good price. I will be getting them.

[stealthbalance]

hey slutz !
how do these things compare to adams s3a's ???
thanks
s

[Wiggy Neve Slut]

Night and day... chalk and cheese!

Im biased cos i love PMC, but ADAM really did not give me the instant gratification that so many people rant on about. Test drive them for yourself and let your ears do the work, we here on forums can only guide you towards stuff, cos ultimately it is your room, studio and YOUR $$$ that you will be forking out, and you will be the ones working in front of them allthe time not me..

But having said that i think the ALM1's are possibly the best active monitor around.. period..

Ask Nathan what he thinks of his ones

YMMV
Wiggy

[Carlos Boll]

How do the less expensive passive ones compare to these?

5k is a bit much!

[C.Lambrechts]

We had a pair at the studio not so long ago ... as a matter of fact ... they're still standing in a corner in their boxes. I had to tell myself that one should not judge a speaker by the first couple of minutes listening to finished products. Instead ... one should judge them after working on them for a while ... do a couple of mixes and see how they turn out.

Which is why I imediately put them back in their boxes after the first couple of minutes listening to them. Especialy after hooking them up in combination with our sub I was like 'put those devilish speakers away NOOOWWW' ..... The fear of having to buy 5 of them for a surround setup .......

and I didn't like the ugly blue colour anyhow ... grudge grudge

[Wiggy Neve Slut]

In an effort to play the devils advocate chris...

THEY COME IN OTHER COLOURS!!!!!!!

See you bank manager today and be happy that you have satisfied the gearslut urges we so often get!

Wiggy

[Riccardo]

Originally posted by Benjy King
The 'breaking in' period is a thing of the past.

I heard them at 'Dale Pro Audio' in Manhattan. They offered me a very good price. I will be getting them.

They need quite a long time to express all their potential.
I have had the same experience with TB2, IB2 and MB1/2. If they have been running in the shop for a while then fine.....otherwise give them at least 50 hours........better 100 for IB (piston driver.......same applies to AML1) and MBs until you really hear that mighty bass coming out of the boxes........

[Rea]

everyone says that the AML-1's sound deep and loud with lots of bass and stuff.
however, can such a tiny sapeaker really sound big...?
isnt it some kind of illusion?
reminds me a bit of the time of the bose sattalites+sub that everyone thought sounded big but was just an illusion...

any thoughts?

also, can anyone reccomend a pmc line thats not the top studio pro/ maybe one of the audiophile stuff?

thanks!

[NathanEldred]

Test tones and decibel meters aren't creating/reading illusions. It's science not alchemy.

[NathanEldred]

Originally posted by Wiggy Neve Slut
In an effort to play the devils advocate chris...

THEY COME IN OTHER COLOURS!!!!!!!

Yeah, mine are Darth Vader TIE fighter evil grey...

[Rea]

nathan,
so your saying that a 6" driver is moving as big mass of air as a good 15" speaker in this case?

[NathanEldred]

It's not about pushing air. Buy some old JBL's or some smiley face Genelecs with a sub if that's what you are after. But don't expect your mixes to sound good on other high end excellent system, or even in a good system in the car for that matter. Go to the show this weekend (you are in NYC correct?) and listen to them. Bring about a few of your favorite CDs. You'll either like them or you won't.

[Rea]

it is about pushing air.a speaker dosnt do anything BUT push air.
i obviously tried to compare it to high end, big accurate air pushing speakers.
keeping it in the high end level.

[Rea]

how would it compare for example to one of the big ATC (100 or 150's).
that have the same frequency specs(almost)?

i personally rather have a small speaker then a big one if it does the same job.
just hard to believe it does...
ill sure come check it out this weekend.

[Benjy King]

"everyone says that the AML-1's sound deep and loud with lots of bass and stuff."

From my evaluation of the AML-1's neither 'deep' nor 'loud' came to mind. 'Open' is the immediate feeling.

The PMC rep told me the speakers are now broken in at the factory. That's what he said.

[muziqfreek]

Originally posted by Wiggy Neve Slut
Just how good are these speakers....!!!!

Im gona be selling either my ass or my soul for a pair for my new room im building over summer... bring it on!

And yes large room with good litreage/volume is needed.

So how big a room is needed..? how many litreages are we talking about??

[the dice]

mix on quested and PMC.

mastering on PMC.


the pmc's really really good. although i like the quested as well.

[cdog]

Originally posted by Benjy King


I heard them at 'Dale Pro Audio' in Manhattan. They offered me a very good price.

Whatever price Dale offered you can be crushed... I've gone to them with hardball price quotes from other dealers and they're just appalled. Thats without factoring in the 8.25% sales tax.

NYC rent and comissions inflate their prices... Good place to demo, bad place to buy. Find an out of state pro audio dealer and deal with the person who owns the shop directly or their assistant - not a sales guy.

[Wiggy Neve Slut]

when i was @ Dale in Early Feb.. one of sales guys offered me a pair for $3500.. If iwas already laden with 3 gtrs and the proceeds of picking up some cool outboard from GCpro ( which they had NO idea about) i woulda grabbed them, cos in my world thats a steal!

But i can imagine that thier location does have an impact on the prices they can offer.

Wiggy

[C.Lambrechts]

Originally posted by NathanEldred
Have you burnt them in yet? The bass gets better after about 40 hours of play. Make sure you get the pleasure of hearing them at 10 feet also, the 30hz is quite developed at that distance.

uhm .... that in my very humble opinion has nothing to do with the actual response of the speaker ... everything with how the room will reflect the frequencies.

[C.Lambrechts]

Originally posted by NathanEldred
It's not about pushing air. Buy some old JBL's or some smiley face Genelecs with a sub if that's what you are after. But don't expect your mixes to sound good on other high end excellent system, or even in a good system in the car for that matter. Go to the show this weekend (you are in NYC correct?) and listen to them. Bring about a few of your favorite CDs. You'll either like them or you won't.

I'm sorry Nathan but if you give people advice ... try to keep it serious. I hope I read this post wrong because the way it comes down on me is that you're actually saying not to expect a mix to sound good if you mix on genelecs ..... puleeez ....



Ever heard of different strokes for different folks. I have no problem with you hyping the AML1's ... I've had them at the studio for quite a while and was able to work on them quite a bit. Have you ? I wonder.

It is a good speaker ... a very good speaker ... hell they sound amazing when you put a finished CD on. But that is NO reference whatsoever for it being a good studio monitor. A good studio monitor is something you create mixes on .... something you work on day in day out .... something you can rely on. I'm not saying that the AML1 cannot be that kind of speaker because I'm sure that for a lot of people it can be. But I'm pretty damn sure that for a lot of people They are quite the oposite. NS10 ring a bell ? Why are there so many great mixes produced on those you think. Because you have to MAKE them sound good. I would almost say you have to fight them to make it sound good. But take your mix outside when it sounds good on the NS10 and you can be damn sure it will sound good anywhere ... THAT's why people use them to mix on. For the record ... I hate NS10's ... but that aside ... my point is that in my particular case ... the AML was quite the oposite of what you're saying. For me the speaker was just too easy .... almost everything sounds good on them ... and again quite the oposite of what you say ... it only sounds good on them.

Again ... not saying the AML1 is a bad speaker ... hell no ... quite the contrary ... but I do have a problem with someone who says that other speakers are not able to produce great sounding mixes.

One last thing ... it is a small speaker and like ALL small speakers the bass response is limited. The AML1 might stand out within small speakers when it comes down to bass response but it is definately not the holy grail of bass truth either. just like any other small speaker you can only do so much with them down there ... after that it's just a guess. Main speakers do get used for other things then impressing A&R people and clients you know.


Oh, and people, please DO NOT ... I repeat ... NEVER EVER buy a speker for your studio just by what you hear on a stand on a trade show. That is NO reference whatsoever ... not for any gear and definately not for a speaker. The only right way to choose a speaker is by working on them and creating mixes on them. If what you mix on them translates to what you hear on other systems and in other environments then you have found a good speaker to work on ... for you that is.