Peluso P12

beechstudio · 17th June 2006, 02:02 PM

I know that these are not shipping yet. But, I wondered if anyone has heard or tested these for Peluso pre-production?

http://www.pelusomicrophonelab.com/P12.html

beechstudio · 18th June 2006, 02:19 PM

Nobody????

ajfarber · 18th June 2006, 02:39 PM

Looks like an APEX 460! Tell me I'm wrong.

T9c · 18th June 2006, 03:17 PM

And the Telefunkin M16. According to Dan Richards the 460 and M16 are also identical except cosmetics and tube brands. The P12 does have a custom Cinemag transformer, though. There'sa guy in Vancouver upgrading the 460 too!
It's a great time to be buying mics.

http://www.studioreviews.com/m16-460.htm
http://studioforums.com/groupee/foru...1/m/5301078451

Acoustic Cloud · 18th June 2006, 03:53 PM

I am sure this probably sounds better than a newer C-12 also, and they are 5 grand, right??

I haVe a 22 251, and love it!

elambo · 19th June 2006, 06:48 AM

I never was much of a fan of the C12-VR. BIG fan of Peluso's mics though. I'm anxious to hear his C-12.

dale116dot7 · 19th June 2006, 07:02 AM

I don't know about the 'Apex 460' series mic beating a C12VR... actually I know they don't generally. Even the plastic AKG capsule is generally more balanced sounding than the typical Chinese capsules, and the grille is quite thick and that contributes considerably to the spitty sound of these mics, especially if you're adding EQ. Now the other question is what capsule he puts in his mic. He has a lot of different capsules available.

beechstudio · 19th June 2006, 12:35 PM

I'm anxious to check this puppy out!

Ziggy!! · 19th June 2006, 12:43 PM

Has anyone tried the R14 ribbon yet?

**TonyBelmont** · 19th June 2006, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajfarber

Looks like an APEX 460! Tell me I'm wrong.

No, this mic has nothing to do with any Apex/ Telefunken mics, or any of the OEM'ed chinese mics.

It's made in the USA! Peluso makes their own capsules... it uses Cinemag transformers, 6072 tube and I can't wait to get one!

NO RELATION WHATSOEVER!

Bat Head Sound · 19th June 2006, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajfarber

Looks like an APEX 460! Tell me I'm wrong.

I was thinking the same thing, so I can't tell you that you're wrong. Well, I could, but then I would be wrong...

C/G · 19th June 2006, 09:13 PM

I for one, as well, think this mic has nothing to do with an Apex 460. The Peluso looks way longer and seems more narrow in diameter. Besides, the web site clearly states it is hand made in the USA.

beechstudio · 19th June 2006, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

No, this mic has nothing to do with any Apex/ Telefunken mics, or any of the OEM'ed chinese mics.

It's made in the USA! Peluso makes their own capsules, and the mic bodies are machined here in the US... it uses Cinemag transformers, 6072 tube and I can't wait to get one!

NO RELATION WHATSOEVER!

I can't wait to get one either!! Whoo- Hoo!!!!!

Bat Head Sound · 19th June 2006, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colin Gaucher

I for one, as well, think this mic has nothing to do with an Apex 460. The Peluso looks way longer and seems more narrow in diameter. Besides, the web site clearly states it is hand made in the USA.

I'm not saying that it's not made in the USA, I'm just saying that it kinda reminds me of the apex, looks wise at least. To me, it doesn't look any longer or more narrow, but that's just me.

**TonyBelmont** · 19th June 2006, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bat Head Sound

I'm not saying that it's not made in the USA, I'm just saying that it kinda reminds me of the apex, looks wise at least. To me, it doesn't look any longer or more narrow, but that's just me.

The Apex, the Peluso and the original C12 are all within a couple mm of each other in size/shape.

I think the Peluso is much classier looking with the chrome top, etc. But, the Peluso shouldn't be compared to the Apex.... it's a totally different league of microphone.

Ziggy!! · 20th June 2006, 12:33 AM

Are you sure about that? I don't doubt that they are probably assembled in the USA, but im pretty sure the capsule metalwork is done in China. Not that it matters as long as the final assembly and QC is up to par, which from my brief experience with peluso stuff... it certianly is.

**TonyBelmont** · 20th June 2006, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

Are you sure about that? I don't doubt that they are probably assembled in the USA, but im pretty sure the capsule metalwork is done in China. Not that it matters as long as the final assembly and QC is up to par, which from my brief experience with peluso stuff... it certianly is.

The capsules are made by Peluso Microphone Lab. They buy only the metal work from China and then the sputtering and diaphragm work is done by them, at their lab in the U.S.

NathanEldred · 20th June 2006, 02:33 AM

John Peluso makes his capsules in America, but buys the 'non audio' stuff, i.e. bodies from China. I think his stuff looks very clean, but it's too bad this industry is often superficial...buying many times with the eyes not the ears. Just because something looks similar to something else has no relation to the sound. There is a thread in the moan zone about CharterOak and a strictly Chinese made mic company regarding a very similar issue (although the CharterOak does use Chinese capsules, but are QC'd heavily). As a direct example, the Peluso capsules are good enough for other manufacturers such as Pearlman (which in itself is a respected microphone) to buy from Peluso. When it's an American capsule, American or European tube, and American transformer and very strict quality control, I'd expect a quality piece. But I think the most important thing is having the right person doing final assembly and QC more than where the parts are made. Having the metal work done in China is where the savings comes in on any microphone, and for more than one manufacturer. American or European metal work prices are murder and seem to contribute much to the end user price.

**TonyBelmont** · 20th June 2006, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanEldred

John Peluso makes his capsules in America, but buys the 'non audio' stuff, i.e. bodies from China.

Actually, that's not true... They don't have the microphone bodies made in China. He custom machines them himself.

NathanEldred · 20th June 2006, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Actually, that's not true... They don't have the microphone bodies made in China. He custom machines them himself.

If that's true, then I must have misunderstood what John said when I talked to him on the phone in the last few days. I assumed that he wouldn't have time to pour molten stainless steel into molds.
Not that it matters one way or the other, I'm not listening to the metal casing of the body. Or am I Tony?

Rob King · 20th June 2006, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

Has anyone tried the R14 ribbon yet?

I bought one last month but still haven't had time to test it!! lol I will keep you posted.....

Rob

Ziggy!! · 20th June 2006, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob King

I bought one last month but still haven't had time to test it!! lol I will keep you posted.....

Rob

Thanks

Bat Head Sound · 20th June 2006, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

I think the Peluso is much classier looking with the chrome top, etc. But, the Peluso shouldn't be compared to the Apex.... it's a totally different league of microphone.

Just because two microphones are not in the same league doesn't mean that someone can't think that they look alike. In fact, no where in this thread does anyone say that the P12 is the same as an Apex. Someone mearly stated that they looked alike. Does that mean that they are, no, but they do have a similar resemblance and you can't deny that.

Bat Head Sound · 20th June 2006, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanEldred

Just because something looks similar to something else has no relation to the sound.

That's true, but show me where in this thread someone said that "the Pelso P12 sounds like an Apex 460." No one is questioning how it sounds. It was just simply stated it "looked" like an Apex, that's all.

kittonian · 20th June 2006, 05:57 PM

The P12 is a very close reproduction of the original AKG C12 (not the new VR version). They will begin shipping this Monday and you can order starting today on our website. For those of you in the vicinity of Cleveland who would like to see it in person, we should have one here in our demo room within a week or two.

Lynn Fuston · 20th June 2006, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dale116dot7

I don't know about the 'Apex 460' series mic beating a C12VR...

I do.

beechstudio · 20th June 2006, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanEldred

If that's true, then I must have misunderstood what John said when I talked to him on the phone in the last few days. I assumed that he wouldn't have time to pour molten stainless steel into molds.
Not that it matters one way or the other, I'm not listening to the metal casing of the body. Or am I Tony?

Nathan........when will you guys have the P12 listed on your website?

NathanEldred · 20th June 2006, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beechstudio

Nathan........when will you guys have the P12 listed on your website?

It's on the Peluso section of the Atlas Pro Audio site now....John Peluso just upgraded all the pictures of all his mics with very nice professional shots. Even though the P12 isn't slated to ship until early next week, we can always accomodate pre-orders. Thanks!!

**TonyBelmont** · 20th June 2006, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kittonian

The P12 is a very close reproduction of the original AKG C12 (not the new VR version). They will begin shipping this Monday and you can order starting today on our website. For those of you in the vicinity of Cleveland who would like to see it in person, we should have one here in our demo room within a week or two.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanEldred

It's on the Peluso section of the Atlas Pro Audio site now....John Peluso just upgraded all the pictures of all his mics with very nice professional shots. Even though the P12 isn't slated to ship until early next week, we can always accomodate pre-orders. Thanks!!

Well, I guess that means I have to throw out the obligatory "buy from me", since every other dealer has.

NathanEldred · 20th June 2006, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Well, I guess that means I have to throw out the obligatory "buy from me", since every other dealer has.

Bite me. Nobody asked you a direct question.

And you know I mean this in the nicest possible way, I'm just messin' with you Tony....

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beechstudio Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 852	Peluso P12 I know that these are not shipping yet. But, I wondered if anyone has heard or tested these for Peluso pre-production? http://www.pelusomicrophonelab.com/P12.html __________________ Rick Chaffin http://www.beechstudio.com

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ajfarber Gear addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt. Vernon NY, US Posts: 449	Looks like an APEX 460! Tell me I'm wrong.

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T9c Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 195	And the Telefunkin M16. According to Dan Richards the 460 and M16 are also identical except cosmetics and tube brands. The P12 does have a custom Cinemag transformer, though. There'sa guy in Vancouver upgrading the 460 too! It's a great time to be buying mics. http://www.studioreviews.com/m16-460.htm http://studioforums.com/groupee/foru...1/m/5301078451

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elambo Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,724	I never was much of a fan of the C12-VR. BIG fan of Peluso's mics though. I'm anxious to hear his C-12.

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dale116dot7 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 515	I don't know about the 'Apex 460' series mic beating a C12VR... actually I know they don't generally. Even the plastic AKG capsule is generally more balanced sounding than the typical Chinese capsules, and the grille is quite thick and that contributes considerably to the spitty sound of these mics, especially if you're adding EQ. Now the other question is what capsule he puts in his mic. He has a lot of different capsules available.

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Ziggy!! Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,320	Has anyone tried the R14 ribbon yet?

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C/G Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,796	I for one, as well, think this mic has nothing to do with an Apex 460. The Peluso looks way longer and seems more narrow in diameter. Besides, the web site clearly states it is hand made in the USA. __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Colin G. http://www.myspace.com/generalsandmajors

20th June 2006, 12:33 AM	#16
Ziggy!! Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,320	Are you sure about that? I don't doubt that they are probably assembled in the USA, but im pretty sure the capsule metalwork is done in China. Not that it matters as long as the final assembly and QC is up to par, which from my brief experience with peluso stuff... it certianly is.

20th June 2006, 02:33 AM	#18
NathanEldred Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Central Florida Posts: 5,151	John Peluso makes his capsules in America, but buys the 'non audio' stuff, i.e. bodies from China. I think his stuff looks very clean, but it's too bad this industry is often superficial...buying many times with the eyes not the ears. Just because something looks similar to something else has no relation to the sound. There is a thread in the moan zone about CharterOak and a strictly Chinese made mic company regarding a very similar issue (although the CharterOak does use Chinese capsules, but are QC'd heavily). As a direct example, the Peluso capsules are good enough for other manufacturers such as Pearlman (which in itself is a respected microphone) to buy from Peluso. When it's an American capsule, American or European tube, and American transformer and very strict quality control, I'd expect a quality piece. But I think the most important thing is having the right person doing final assembly and QC more than where the parts are made. Having the metal work done in China is where the savings comes in on any microphone, and for more than one manufacturer. American or European metal work prices are murder and seem to contribute much to the end user price. __________________ Nathan Eldred Atlas Pro Audio- Boutique Gear, Consultation, Sales, & Distibution Home of the Atlas Juggernaut Preamp & 500 Series Revolver Rack USA Distributor for Buzz Audio, Exclusive Distributor for Atlas Pro Audio Gear and OSA Atlas Recording Studios, Inc. Recording/Mixing/Mastering Services

20th June 2006, 05:57 PM	#25
kittonian Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 2,218	The P12 is a very close reproduction of the original AKG C12 (not the new VR version). They will begin shipping this Monday and you can order starting today on our website. For those of you in the vicinity of Cleveland who would like to see it in person, we should have one here in our demo room within a week or two. __________________ Joshua Aaron President/Chief Engineer AudioLot/AudioLot Studios High End Pro Audio Sales & Consulting Recording/Music Production/Mixing http://www.audiolot.com