5th July 2012
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#31 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jul 2011
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Just my two cents. PT HD Native is in a way a total sham. It's basically just regular PT with the CMPKT 2. Oh and you get to use those absolutely wonderful Avid I/O's whereas you'd be stuck with some focusrite junk for an interface for regular PT.
that being said I have HD Native I had to go that route. I realized when HDX's came out my TDM system would drop drastically in price so I sold it right away got an amazing upgrade offer from sweetwater $1500.00 for the HD Native upgrade AND PT HD 10 FREE. Also got lucky with an Avid 16x16 I/O for $3,700.00 (The retail price is $5000) on ebay. Probably the mob selling them for so cheap.
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5th July 2012
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#32 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2004 Location: Boca Raton FL
Posts: 4,868
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Originally Posted by alligator  Just my two cents. PT HD Native is in a way a total sham. It's basically just regular PT with the CMPKT 2. Oh and you get to use those absolutely wonderful Avid I/O's whereas you'd be stuck with some focusrite junk for an interface for regular PT.
that being said I have HD Native I had to go that route. I realized when HDX's came out my TDM system would drop drastically in price so I sold it right away got an amazing upgrade offer from sweetwater $1500.00 for the HD Native upgrade AND PT HD 10 FREE. Also got lucky with an Avid 16x16 I/O for $3,700.00 (The retail price is $5000) on ebay. Probably the mob selling them for so cheap. | Overpriced maybe, but not a sham. Much faster than Firewire, at 44.1 even 128 buffer is ridiculously tight, much more so than a standard interface without the Native card.
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5th July 2012
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#33 | | Gear addict
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 408
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Originally Posted by T_R_S Avid changed (a few months ago )that you can buy HDX cards with no interface now. | Thats good for the consumer.  to AVID for doing that.  to me for actually preordering.
Don't get me wrong I am very very happy the new HD interface sounds ALOT better , BUT that money would have gone further somewhere else.
If the old 192 and 96i/o don't work in HD11 I guess it was nessicary
TDM HD sounds great just like it did 5 months ago. If you really want to go that way . wait until HD11 comes out and everybody is jumping off the TDM sunk ship. The prices will become so much cheaper because everybody will be selling them . Supply and demand .There is going to be ALOT of TDM systems for sale , so in order for the seller to make a sale they will need to sell cheap because of the volume of TDM that will be available.
WAIT 5 months and get more cards for the same money. OR what you want now for half the price. That money will come in handy for all the TDM plugs you will need. Do yourself a favour though STAY at HD9 .
HD10 has some very useful additions but then your stuck with AAX plugs and they won't be cheap any year soon. TDM plugs will be everywhere for a small fraction of the cost.
If it was me and I couldn't afford HDX I would get HDNative stay current it does matter to some people . If you lose just 1 client a year in 5 years ,you could have bougt a HDX HD interface and a MAC PRO . Thats assuming those projects are were worth 4grand each. STAY CURRENT | |
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5th July 2012
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#34 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
Posts: 19,145
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Originally Posted by phatbeatstudio Thats good for the consumer. to AVID for doing that. to me for actually preordering.
Don't get me wrong I am very very happy the new HD interface sounds ALOT better , BUT that money would have gone further somewhere else.
If the old 192 and 96i/o don't work in HD11 I guess it was nessicary
TDM HD sounds great just like it did 5 months ago. If you really want to go that way . wait until HD11 comes out and everybody is jumping off the TDM sunk ship. The prices will become so much cheaper because everybody will be selling them . Supply and demand .There is going to be ALOT of TDM systems for sale , so in order for the seller to make a sale they will need to sell cheap because of the volume of TDM that will be available.
WAIT 5 months and get more cards for the same money. OR what you want now for half the price. That money will come in handy for all the TDM plugs you will need. Do yourself a favour though STAY at HD9 .
HD10 has some very useful additions but then your stuck with AAX plugs and they won't be cheap any year soon. TDM plugs will be everywhere for a small fraction of the cost.
If it was me and I couldn't afford HDX I would get HDNative stay current it does matter to some people . If you lose just 1 client a year in 5 years ,you could have bougt a HDX HD interface and a MAC PRO . Thats assuming those projects are were worth 4grand each. STAY CURRENT | You can use TDM in 10HD, just on a TDM rig, not on HDX. I would recommend 10HD over 9 any day.
And whilst I sort of agree you should stay current (if slightly behind), I still know studios running 7.4 and being plenty busy.
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24th September 2012
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#35 | | Gear interested
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 1
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I came across this thread in searching to get back onto the recording scene for a home project studio, been a while. It appears everything has come down to an affordable price to build out a legacy PT HD rig on PCI cards for an older XP system. My current LE system dogs out and crashes, I am looking for guidance on what it would take to trick out an older machine to be HD on PT8, I cant go to 10 but would like to get stability and get what I wanted to buy 5 yrs ago but couldnt afford, let me know what a bill of materials would be?
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24th September 2012
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#36 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2011 Location: Utah
Posts: 534
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WOW so many options! I choose to stay far behind the curve with an older Pro Tools rig and Apogee converters. I am investing in vintage hardware.  | |
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24th September 2012
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#37 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 978
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Pro Tools scares me with all the changes in versions lately. 8, 9, 10, now 11 in the works. I don't feel like they are working for our best interests anymore.
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24th September 2012
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#38 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
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Originally Posted by jrod9900 Pro Tools scares me with all the changes in versions lately. 8, 9, 10, now 11 in the works. I don't feel like they are working for our best interests anymore.
JROD | Really?
No-one really knows anything about PT11 yet do they?
What changes are you referring to? I'm pretty pleased with most features they've added...elastic audio, removing the hardware limitations, HD running natively, clip gain etc...what's the problem?
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24th September 2012
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#39 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 978
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey Really?
No-one really knows anything about PT11 yet do they?
What changes are you referring to? I'm pretty pleased with most features they've added...elastic audio, removing the hardware limitations, HD running natively, clip gain etc...what's the problem? | I like most of the changes. But what scares me is support of older systems and hardware being dropped. And you spend $xxx to upgrade now only to have to pay another $xxx to upgrade a couple months later. Or you choose to upgrade...
I should have worded my response better, my apologies. I would be scared to invest in a new system ala OP right now with all the changes going on in the marketplace. I know that I will be sticking here for quite a while.
JROD
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24th September 2012
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#40 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
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Originally Posted by jrod9900 I like most of the changes. But what scares me is support of older systems and hardware being dropped. And you spend $xxx to upgrade now only to have to pay another $xxx to upgrade a couple months later. Or you choose to upgrade...
I should have worded my response better, my apologies. I would be scared to invest in a new system ala OP right now with all the changes going on in the marketplace. I know that I will be sticking here for quite a while.
JROD | Personally I wouldn't buy HDX...yet (even if I were in the market for it). It's just not got the plugins available yet.
I DID pull the trigger on an HD Native rig, and I couldn't be happier there.
Older hardware will always be dropped eventually, and really it's not that the hardware is being dropped - it's just not being supported. In all likelihood, it'll still work....just as pro control still works with PT10.
The stuff that's being dropped (002 etc) - that's nearly 10 years old now. Understandable isn't it? Again, I don't know if it will still work unsupported...
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24th September 2012
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#41 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 285
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I went through this a year ago & ended up with a PT 10 HD system with a Lynx Aurora 16 & Euphonix controllers. Private studio I'm starting to receive clients in. Solo & duet singers and singer/ songwriters. Couldn't be happier, but I know I'm set here for the foreseeable future, & I'm ok with that.
Using x-desk/speck x-Sum, stock plugs, SSL Duende, channel strip, tube tech CL1b, SSL x-verb, URS EQ's & Amplitube where necessary gets me there.
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24th September 2012
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#42 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Sep 2004 Location: Canuk
Posts: 5,778
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Originally Posted by jrod9900 Pro Tools scares me with all the changes in versions lately. 8, 9, 10, now 11 in the works. I don't feel like they are working for our best interests anymore.
JROD | I don't get it - you are complaining that Avid is adding too many features and updates?
In that same time frame Apple has revamped OSX 3 times.
As soon as one version is out the door they on to the next - and more often they are in alpha of the next version while the beta is still being worked on.
If you want to keep ahead - you must continue to improve.
This is the same for every single business.
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24th September 2012
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#43 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2010
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Pro Tools HD 10 is a rock solid platform and the industry standard. There is nothing in the world wrong with getting on the A Train, so to speak. Compatibility with peers is very helpful to progressing in your field, or keeping up.
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25th September 2012
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#44 | | Gear maniac
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Pro Tools Native HD and PT10 have been awesome for me... I upgraded from an old TDM system - PT6.4.1 w/Apogee AD8000. Not a huge jump in quality, but features and stability are awesome. Old system is for sale too btw  | |
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25th September 2012
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#45 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 978
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Originally Posted by T_R_S I don't get it - you are complaining that Avid is adding too many features and updates?
In that same time frame Apple has revamped OSX 3 times.
As soon as one version is out the door they on to the next - and more often they are in alpha of the next version while the beta is still being worked on.
If you want to keep ahead - you must continue to improve.
This is the same for every single business. | I should have said its just frustrating to have to keep updating. I remember 8, then waited forever to get 9. As soon as I got 9, 10 came out 43 days later. Yes, I do like some of the updated features. I doubt I will update past 10 for a long time.
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25th September 2012
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#46 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 978
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Originally Posted by dynamike Pro Tools Native HD and PT10 have been awesome for me... I upgraded from an old TDM system - PT6.4.1 w/Apogee AD8000. Not a huge jump in quality, but features and stability are awesome. Old system is for sale too btw | I bet your editing time got cut dramatically. I suck at editing in 6. 10 I can fly.
JROD
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25th September 2012
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#47 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Hackettstown, NJ | Quote:
Originally Posted by jrod9900 I bet your editing time got cut dramatically. I suck at editing in 6. 10 I can fly.
JROD | I was already fast in 6... what made more quickness for you in 10?
Lanes and clip gain awesome. Not to mention it was the first I'd seen colored tracks too!
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25th September 2012
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#48 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2009 Location: Arizona
Posts: 850
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Just to add to the fray, I have HD native with two HD I/O's. Love it, I am doing all kinds of music, booked solid til' years end, couldn't be happier.
On a side note, went to the Potluc audio conference in Tucson las August. Not one panelist or pro said they used anythig but PTHD, juts sayin'  | |
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25th September 2012
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#49 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 978
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Originally Posted by dynamike I was already fast in 6... what made more quickness for you in 10?
Lanes and clip gain awesome. Not to mention it was the first I'd seen colored tracks too! | Everything for me. Layout, workflow, got a mighty mouse with the track ball and am able to zoom in and out like nobody's business. Plus I know a lot more editing shortcuts than I did 5 years ago, so that probably helps. lol
Guess I like the upgrade more than I initially stated. I will be at 10 for quite a while. They would really have to have a game-changing upgrade for me to go. Not even sure what that would have to be. My home set-up has no need for HD or HDX. Between my Aurora's PCIe card for super fast speed, my UAD quad for DSP for plugins, and Music Production Toolkit, I don't need anything else for now. I don't think...
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25th September 2012
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#50 | | Moderator
Joined: May 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 7,481
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Originally Posted by jrod9900 Pro Tools scares me with all the changes in versions lately. 8, 9, 10, now 11 in the works. I don't feel like they are working for our best interests anymore.
JROD | Bingo, what do we have for him Johnny?  | |
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25th September 2012
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#51 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 978
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Originally Posted by James Lugo Bingo, what do we have for him Johnny? | Please be a stereo EQ...
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27th September 2012
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#52 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Hackettstown, NJ | Quote:
Originally Posted by jrod9900 Everything for me. Layout, workflow, got a mighty mouse with the track ball and am able to zoom in and out like nobody's business. Plus I know a lot more editing shortcuts than I did 5 years ago, so that probably helps. lol
Guess I like the upgrade more than I initially stated. I will be at 10 for quite a while. They would really have to have a game-changing upgrade for me to go. Not even sure what that would have to be. My home set-up has no need for HD or HDX. Between my Aurora's PCIe card for super fast speed, my UAD quad for DSP for plugins, and Music Production Toolkit, I don't need anything else for now. I don't think...
JROD | Offline bounce and 64bit and I'd shell out a few more dollars for PT11.
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