What are the best delay units for vocals?
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What are the best delay units for vocals?

There are a lot of threads about what are some of the best compressors and reverbs for vocals, but what about hardware delays? I am interested to hear about your opinions on superb delay units for vocals.
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Yamaha D5000 works fine here.
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AMS DMX 1580/S

Lexicon PCM 42

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... ha ha... I was a minute late.
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I usually do my vocal delay itb. In logic i use the stock delay plugins. A quarter, eigth, 3/8, half and dub delay. Tape and bbd style delays do the trick for me as they tend not to procuce litteral copies of the original signal. On top of that, i want delays for vocals not to screw with the directness of the original signal, while also creating depth. For this i use diffirent hi pass and low pass filters on the delay. The longer the delay time, the smaller the bandwidth. For example a half note delay will be bandwith restricted between 500 hz and 3 khz. Whereas a quarter note delay starts at 200 hz and extends to 8 khz. I vary the settings. Also the longer the delay time, the more of the wet delay signal is sent to a reverb.

This way you can use create a lot of depth by using the way that your ears are used to hearing sounds in the real world.
Sounds further away travel to your ears via a lot more reflections, and are also absorbed by various surfaces. Hence the further away a sound, the longer the delay time, the more reflections (reverb) and the more absorbtion ( reduced bandwidth)

This may not be an exact answer to your question but it might help to get the delays right.
For hardware the old bbd delays are really nice. As wel as the old reel to reel delay trick.
Pcm70 rocks too for wild modulating delays

Of course you can apply the same principle to hardware delays.


As always, ymmv
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And a fulltone tape delay to top it off-
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There are a lot of threads about what are some of the best compressors and reverbs for vocals, but what about hardware delays? I am interested to hear about your opinions on superb delay units for vocals.
PCM41/42
Primetime II
Super Prime Time
SDD3000
RMX 15-80s
RE201/301/501/555 [some of my fav's- these are tape]

These are all great HDware ddl's...

best-
Jonathan
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What delays out there are dynamic and have the ability to duck? I understand the TC 2290 has that capability, but what about the others?
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How about the TC 2290?
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What delays out there are dynamic and have the ability to duck? I understand the TC 2290 has that capability, but what about the others?
I use a Strymon Timeline and that has a the capability to duck.

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Oh.... I also mustn't forget ...

Dynacord PDD 14

with a great VCO Modulator.
The sound can be processed by the internal modulator VCO (LFO) with Depth and internal frequency.

I have two of them...
Old but good !
Old and payed !

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My hardware stash:

Tc 2290
Eventide hw8000
Roland re-501
Echoplex

I've also gotten pretty good at repeating the last word of my vocal lines a few times - each one a little quieter than the one before. You gotta capture it at the source, baby!
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I still love my Prime Time II (Model 95), there is magic there.

I wish I could find a nice 2290, always liked those.. I have a TC D-Two, which is the "poor man's" 2290. It sounds great if I run it digitally, analog, not so much.
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I've also gotten pretty good at repeating the last word of my vocal lines a few times - each one a little quieter than the one before. You gotta capture it at the source, baby!

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There are a lot of threads about what are some of the best compressors and reverbs for vocals, but what about hardware delays? I am interested to hear about your opinions on superb delay units for vocals.
I used a 2290 for 15 years.
But found the new ITB stuff to work better for me.
Ebayed the TC last month with no regrets.

all the best,
Sean
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AllBread, what are your favourite delay presets for vocals on your Eventide H8000? How do you find it in comparison to your TC2290? Worth getting a TC2290 if you have an H8000?
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SDE 3000?

Use them all the time, they're great for vocals ( and loads of other stuff )..

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What about the SDE2500. How does that compare to the SDE3000?
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AllBread, what are your favourite delay presets for vocals on your Eventide H8000? How do you find it in comparison to your TC2290? Worth getting a TC2290 if you have an H8000?
Man, I find a new one every time I mix a song. The box is so deep that I have very few "go-to" presets - I surf around until I find one I like for the song and then tweak to taste.

The eventide does have a 2290 preset but I've never played with it.

The 2290 I use more for guitars when I'm coming up with parts and tracking. It's more apart of my guitar rig than mixing rig but that will change in a few hours when FedEx shows up with a console with 4 fx sends (I currently only have two so they go to th two engines of the 8000).

It's a fantastic dedicated delay unit that's easy to use and would open up one of the engines of your 8000 if you had one but I wouldn't say that it's a must have if you have the 8000 and some good plugins. It sure is a nice have" though!
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What delays out there are dynamic and have the ability to duck? I understand the TC 2290 has that capability, but what about the others?
Forgot about the 1010 and 1005 [have one of each] great units. Also don't forget the little green Mxr Analogue DDL stomp box- the only eco on Sheryl Crows 2nd record if legend is correct- this is a Tchad Blake rumor. The Mxr rack ddl's are cool and vibey as well, both the blue and the black ones.

re-Ducking the Super Primetime has a dynamic recirculating feature As the input level drops the feedback can go up. Can be very useful!

Always thought the Korg SDD3000 was much warmer and vocal friendly than the Roland SDE3000, although I have both. There is also the rare SDD-3300 = Triple SDD3000....The SDE-3000 was the live ddl of choice in the late '80s /early '90s. You can find a used Roland SRV-2000 for very cheap these days and can trick it into being a poormans SDE. Also the Korg SDD-1000 is cool as well. Let's not forget the ole Delta Lab Effectron 1024 which has a weird input limiter that sounds cool when slammed. Also the Barth Audios is an amazing DDL but very rare.

Happy Time Manipulation!

Best-
Jonathan
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I'm not much of a 20k hz bandwidth digital delay user. Not natural to me. I do use echo quite a bit. That is delay with reduced bandwidth, like occurs in nature.

A PCM41/42 on the x2 position limits repeat bandwidth to 6 k hz.

Here, I use Lexicon MPX100's I got cheap. They have an echo/delay pot. On echo, the bandwidth of the first repeat is 6k hz and the later repeats all have a reduced bandwidth, just like tape echo without the wow and flutter.
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I'm not much of a 20k hz bandwidth digital delay user. Not natural to me. I do use echo quite a bit. That is delay with reduced bandwidth, like occurs in nature.

A PCM41/42 on the x2 position limits repeat bandwidth to 6 k hz.

Here, I use Lexicon MPX100's I got cheap. They have an echo/delay pot. On echo, the bandwidth of the first repeat is 6k hz and the later repeats all have a reduced bandwidth, just like tape echo without the wow and flutter.
But Jim the wow and flutter is part of the sound/chorus efx... HA!!
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The Symetrix 606 is a pretty cool delay/effects unit, similar sound to a PCM 42. Interface sucks but much cheaper than the Lexicon. We also have a PCM 41 and an SDE 3000 in the rack.
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What delays out there are dynamic and have the ability to duck? I understand the TC 2290 has that capability, but what about the others?
The TC Electronic D-TWO I mentioned earlier has that capability. It also has a full filter section, ping-pong, and a "spatial" section, where it essentially delays one side, like 15-30ms or something.. actually, the more I talk about it, the more I remember what a cool box the D-TWO is. I haven't used it in a long time, but now I think I'm inspired to turn it on again and rediscover.

Speaking of delays, does anyone remember the Deltalab Effectron 1024? I owned one of those back in the day, but I can't remember what I did with it to save my life.. I remember it had the "infinite repeat" button.. man, you could really get into some trouble with that thing..
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Besides the AMS and Lexicon, I always thought the Publison Infernal Machine 90 was pretty great. 1580 would still be the first choice though.
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Pcm42, effectron, dtwo, and the fulltone. Also an ad-202 is essential.
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What about the SDE2500. How does that compare to the SDE3000?
I have the SDE2500. It's a great unit.

I believe the main difference is that the 2500 can be controlled via midi.

Never done that myself.

Also have the Yamaha E1010 and a Korg DL8000R
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Deltalab Effektron II is used here a lot. As well as Roland 501. 1580 for shorter times.
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What is it that makes the 1580 the stand out piece for vocals? What does it do differently from the others (and in particular newer units)? What makes it so great? What recordings (recent and past) can it be heard on?
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