Make a wish for Neumann!

[didier.brest]

Originally Posted by studio1117

For somebody who said KM84 was not modular, you are mistaken, the heads were switchable

My bad ! Thank you for correcting me.

[Ward Pike]

My wish remains the same... for Neumann Gefell and Neumann-Berlin (spun off from Sennheiser) to merge into the real Neumann Company!!

[legato]

So my wish...introduce the KM184 Classic with the 2db brightness removed for those who dont like that sound. You can keep both, but give a choice.

Cool idea.

Might as well add a tranny then, too. For the Classic that is.
Oh, and three side ports per "side", please.

But wait, that's pretty much the old thing, isn't it?
Whatever, let them just revive it as an alternative () and with any name they like to put on it.



Henk

[Cathedral Guitar]

I have 3 wishes for Neumann:

Now that they have a nice speaker lineup, I'd like to see them add:

1) a high-end, modular 8-channel/bucket mixer that incorporates 500 series modules;

2) 500-series modules eq/pre/comps, and including their analog circuits for vintage mic emulation;

3} It would be cool if they got even deeper into analog mic modeling, and had a box that would add specific U67 or U47 or M49 sounds to a basic clean mic like a U89 or U87. And it would be a knob that you dial in, with a bypass -- so that it wouldn't have to be built into a TLM mic with no on/off capability.

[Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Cathedral Guitar

I have 3 wishes for Neumann:

Now that they have a nice speaker lineup, I'd like to see them add:

Really? I found that they took a perfectly good monitor line and improved it to the point where the products were useless -- nice "Hi-Fi" speakers -- useless as monitors

Originally Posted by Cathedral Guitar

a high-end, modular 8-channel/bucket mixer that incorporates 500 series modules;

They kinda tried that... which is why Sennheiser was able to purchase Neumann GmbH about 20 yrs. ago. Granted the "500 Series" craze wasn't in full effect as it is now -- but "modular solutions" were not a new concept at the time.

Originally Posted by Cathedral Guitar

500-series modules eq/pre/comps, and including their analog circuits for vintage mic emulation;

Uhhh - sure... why not? When the fµck did Neumann come out with analog circuits for "vintage mic emulation"? Anamod may get close - but only the real thing is the real thing... and frankly -- its been 50 years since the "real thing" was actually the real thing... so what we're talking about is a false impression of what the "real thing" actually was.

What you want is something for $850 USD that will sound like $8500 USD and that ain't happening today - or in the foreseeable future

Originally Posted by Cathedral Guitar

3} It would be cool if they got even deeper into analog mic modeling, and had a box that would add specific U67 or U47 or M49 sounds to a basic clean mic like a U89 or U87. And it would be a knob that you dial in, with a bypass -- so that it wouldn't have to be built into a TLM mic with no on/off capability.

Absolutely agreed!!!!

...and it would be the balls it they could come up with a plan that would turn my pair of Jacks into a straight flush.... but that ain't happening in our lifetime -- and it ain't gonna matter if it does happen as the bar will have been set so low by then it will be an anomaly rather than a goal.

Our only hope is that people [masses of people] begin to demand quality of audio... which may happen again at some point in human existence -- but it ain't happening within 10 or 20 years of the current economic slump.

Sorry to piss on your lawn, but a little reality isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Peace

[Cathedral Guitar]

Originally Posted by Fletcher

When did Neumann come out with analog circuits for "vintage mic emulation"?

"Like the U 67, the TLM 67 incorporates the K 67 capsule. In addition, the special new circuit design closely reproduces the sound characteristics of the classic U 67, without the use of tubes. Similar Neumann circuit technology has already proved very successful in the TLM 49."

From the Neumann website. Btw, I prefer the TLM67 to the Pearlman TM-LE, a similar priced / similar capsule, tube mic.

[Plush]

Feltcher, are you no longer at Soundpure? Perhaps not since you quoted me list price on some nice gear package?

[Voyage.One]

I don't want to give any one ideas but an M167 wouldn't hurt.

[Suda Badri]

My only wish is a transformerless version of their stereo Mic... Id be all over that and pay a good 5k for that... Plus the people slagging off the km184 need to try the km140 it is one fantastic Mic that sounds so balanced for sdc. Also, like plush mentioned tlm 195, 170 And u89i are current mics which sound ****ing amazing... Mind you i like a lot of mics that get slagged off left right and centre here... So what do i know... Personally if i were Newman id keep doing what i was doing... Because their old business model the people are asking here or reissues wasn't sustainable Cuz remember if it wasn't for papa sennheiser we might have lost out on it to behringer or something imagine that!!! Both sennheiser and neumann make excellent mics... Im definitely going to get a tlm 170 or 195 and a geffel um900 in the next few years.

[legato]

Originally Posted by Ward Pike

My wish remains the same... for Neumann Gefell and Neumann-Berlin (spun off from Sennheiser) to merge into the real Neumann Company!!

A possibility, at least on paper, when the wall came down.

Too late now, I'm afraid.

Unless Sennheiser gets in real trouble maybe.

But who would want that?




Henk

[didier.brest]

Originally Posted by Suda Badri

Plus the people slagging off the km184 need to try the km140 it is one fantastic Mic that sounds so balanced for sdc.

Same sound according to Neumann, the KM 184 being cheaper because it is not modular. It seems a fair statement when listening to this test.

[Suda Badri]

hmm... im still hearing a more balanced sound on the files in regards to the 140, esp in the passage between 14 and 19 sec... but id like to put it onto daw and level match it a bit more... need longer with it, the one obvious thing is that i might have been hearing more "preamp" with the 140 cuz it is not as hot a signal, i used to use joe meek with lots of iron pres now use the ones on my uln8 would be good to try them again, i do love to get proved wrong but on the files i still prefer the 140... and id happily own a couple pairs of 184s im all neumann love in case i didnt make that obvious!

[Bluzzi]

It works for NEVE! They reissued a bunch of their legacy products. The Neumann brand still demands respect but not like before.

Cheers

Jim

[cinealta]

Originally Posted by Cathedral Guitar

"Like the U 67, the TLM 67 incorporates the K 67 capsule. In addition, the special new circuit design closely reproduces the sound characteristics of the classic U 67, without the use of tubes. Similar Neumann circuit technology has already proved very successful in the TLM 49."

From the Neumann website. Btw, I prefer the TLM67 to the Pearlman TM-LE, a similar priced / similar capsule, tube mic.

Does the TLM-67 solid-state analog circuit *realistically* simulate the U67 EF86 tube amplifier circuit? Or is it just a marketing gimmick?

[Camera]

^^^Marketing.

[Cathedral Guitar]

By the same token you can say the entire UAD plugin line is a marketing gimmick -- as well as all the amp sims, and anything else that is an attempt to simulate something, including all the U47 clones, the new Neve stuff, and pretty much most everything trying to relive the Glory Days on the today's market (i.e, Gibson/Fender).

The TLM67 is a cool mic for the price ($1250 - $1400 used), and I like it way better than many tube mics at the same price point. It is basically an 87 with the TLM circuitry + the analog sim. It has a world-class capsule, metalwork, and is worthy of consideration at that price point.

[Camera]

Originally Posted by Cathedral Guitar

By the same token you can say the entire UAD plugin line is a marketing gimmick -- as well as all the amp sims, and anything else that is an attempt to simulate something, including all the U47 clones, the new Neve stuff, and pretty much most everything trying to relive the Glory Days on the today's market (i.e, Gibson/Fender).

The TLM67 is a cool mic for the price ($1250 - $1400 used), and I like it way better than many tube mics at the same price point. It is basically an 87 with the TLM circuitry + the analog sim. It has a world-class capsule, metalwork, and is worthy of consideration at that price point.

It's not a U67 in great shape. I know, I have both.

And if you think it's a U87ai with TLM circuitry, keep dreaming.

It's a great mic for sure, but it's not a U67 or 87 (whatever version). It's a good price point Neumann. They know how to make mics and money. Sh¡t, they're Sennheiser!

[didier.brest]

Originally Posted by Camera

It's not a U67 in great shape. I know, I have both.

Would you be so kind to upload some comparative samples ? I would be much interested in listening to them.

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by cinealta

Does the TLM-67 solid-state analog circuit *realistically* simulate the U67 EF86 tube amplifier circuit? Or is it just a marketing gimmick?

The answer is yes and no.

A valve (vacuum tube) mic. can sound different depending to what you plug it in to.

The TLM 67 does accurately mimic the U67 - but does not change like a true valve mic. when you plug it into different things.

It's a great mic.

Is it for you? - only you can say.

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by Camera

...... It's a good price point Neumann. They know how to make mics and money. Sh¡t, they're Sennheiser!

To say that Neumann is Sennheiser is a little misleading.

Yes, Neumann Berlin are owned by Sennheiser (better than being sold to Sony, which was rumoured at the time).

But Neumann are still in Berlin, the microphone designers are in Berlin and design only Neumann mics. - although the factory was moved to Wennebostal the Neumann microphones are made separately on the original Neumann machines, separate from all the Sennheiser stuff.

The only common thing is ownership.


But if you want a Neumann that is still owned by the Neumann family, you will have to buy Microtech Gefell.

[legato]

To say that Neumann is Sennheiser is a little misleading.

Yes, Neumann Berlin are owned by Sennheiser (better than being sold to Sony, which was rumoured at the time).

But Neumann are still in Berlin, the microphone designers are in Berlin and design only Neumann mics. - although the factory was moved to Wennebostal the Neumann microphones are made separately on the original Neumann machines, separate from all the Sennheiser stuff.

The only common thing is ownership.

So, what if they move the machines to China?
Will it still be Neumann Berlin?
Serious question.




Henk

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by legato

So, what if they move the machines to China?
Will it still be Neumann Berlin?
Serious question.

No, it's a silly question, not a serious question.

Neumann Berlin has its head office in Berlin.

I assume they called it Neumann Berlin to differentiate it from the original Neumann factory in Gefell that is now Microtech Gefell and owned by Georg Neumann & Co. (now Georg Neumann KG).

[legato]

Neumann Berlin has its head office in Berlin.

It could stay that way, even if they move the production further from Berlin still.

No, it's a silly question, not a serious question.

Well, perhaps "interesting" would have been a better word, if you will. But I was serious. Nothing seems impossible in the future world. I was thinking out loud; wondering what could be the consequence of this logic. And my question was directed at all readers, including myself. But if you think it's silly, so be it.




Henk

[didier.brest]

Originally Posted by John Willett

I assume they called it Neumann Berlin to differentiate it from the original Neumann factory in Gefell that is now Microtech Gefell and owned by Georg Neumann & Co. (now Georg Neumann KG).

The original Neumann factory was in Berlin. They went in Gefell during WW2 Berlin's bombing. The main premises were relocated in Berlin after WW2. There were developped the mythic Neumann microphones : U 47, M 49, M 50 and U 67.

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by didier.brest

The original Neumann factory was in Berlin. They went in Gefell during WW2 Berlin's bombing. The main premises were relocated in Berlin after WW2. There were developed the mythic Neumann microphones : U 47, M 49, M 50 and U 67.

Yes, but my understanding was that Gefell remained the factory until 1961 when the wall went up an they were completely cut off.

Neumann had a repair workshop in Berlin during that time and after the wall went up and they had no more contact with the factory, the workshop was turned into the new factory - all the original factory equipment remained in Gefell.

You can read the history HERE.

[didier.brest]

Originally Posted by John Willett

You can read the history HERE.

John, we know that you are a Gefell reseller and that you don't miss any opportunity for making us believe that the Neumann heritage is in Gefell more than in the present Neumann company. Which is also what the Gefell version of the Neumann history, which you are linking to, obviously aims to. Why did you not answer Klaus Heyne when in similar circumstances he replied to you on Neumann forum:

Originally Posted by Klaus Heine

John,
What you call "the Neumann History" may be more accurately amended with: "according to Microtech Gefell".
I find inaccuracies and embellishments in MG's historical account of the Neumann companies.

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[Cathedral Guitar]

Originally Posted by didier.brest

Would you be so kind to upload some comparative samples ? I would be much interested in listening to them.

I have some samples of M269 vs TLM67 if you want to hear them. For me, however, TLM67 sounds more like a darker 87 than the M269.

Photos of TLM67 and M269 are here:
<NEW Neumann TLM-67 Multi-Pattern Condenser Mic with U67 Emulation Circuit>
<http://www.m221b.com/Neumann/M269/M269HI.html>

[cinealta]

Originally Posted by Cathedral Guitar

I have some samples of M269 vs TLM67 if you want to hear them. For me, however, TLM67 sounds more like a darker 87 than the M269.

Hello, would you have any samples of a U67 vs TLM67? If so could you please post them? Thanks.

[John Willett]

Originally Posted by didier.brest

John, we know that you are a Gefell reseller and that you don't miss any opportunity for making us believe that the Neumann heritage is in Gefell more than in the present Neumann company.

I'm not trying to say any such thing, what makes you say that?

Georg Neumann ran Neumann Berlin up until his death, so why would I suggest that Neumann Berlin does not have the Neumann heritage?

The History on the Gefell website seems very reasonable and not biased in any way to me. The Neumann museum is in Gefell and, for the 75th anniversary both Neumann Berlin and Gefell used the same logo of Georg Neumann.

I have never said anything in any post against any Neumann microphone, in fact I have often defended them when some people rubbish them, so you are quite wrong here.

I know personally virtually everyone at Neumann Berlin and have not and would not say anything like what you suggest.

Originally Posted by didier.brest

Which is also what the Gefell version of the Neumann history, which you are linking to, obviously aims to. Why did you not answer Klaus Heyne when in similar circumstances he replied to you on Neumann forum: ?

I did not answer Klaus because there seems to be some personal issues between Klaus and someone at Gefell, so I wanted to stay well out of it.

If Neumann Berlin had a history profile on their website I would have linked to that. Plus, no one at Neumann Berlin has suggested to me that there is anything incorrect in the history on the Gefell site and I talk with them quite often.

[didier.brest]

Originally Posted by Cathedral Guitar

I have some samples of M269 vs TLM67 if you want to hear them. For me, however, TLM67 sounds more like a darker 87 than the M269.

Thank your for you very nice photos. Of course I'm interested in listening to your samples !