Focal Twin's and Event Precision 8

[Dpro]

Originally Posted by denlig

Hi Guy's,


I just finish my new studio build and spent a few hours finding the sweet spot for my speaker placement. The best placement was 8ft apart with fantom image in the center. I move the speakers all around and had them close and far 3ft - 8ft with 8ft being the best sound i can get from both sets of speakers.

I been comparing the twin's and the precision 8's with both set to flat on the back eq setting. The 8's wins hands down for best clarity,stereo image and being able to hear the slightest tweaks. I listen days and hours to professional mixes with both speakers and to me the twins sounds do sound good but not as clear as the 8's.

I have to turn the twin's HF all the way up to get close to the clarity as the 8's. I listen to mixes done on the twins and then switch to the 8's to hear better detail's in the mixes done on the twins.

My studio was design by JH Brandt and it sounds great in here but im sicken that the twins is not kicking the 8's butt. I can hear deeper in the mix with the one precision 8's. I would like to get the event opals now.


Thanks denlig

I was actually checking the Solo 6's the other day. Where I was doing the listening tests( not Guitar Center LOL) they actually told me they had customers who had changed out the twins for the Solo 6's. I have to admit the Solo 6's were very impressive. I tried the CM65's the Adam Ax7's and Dynaudio BM6A MKII's and the Solo's just delivered. Rich full and detailed. Pretty much every thing I wanted in a monitor.

Now I would like the shoot out the Solo 6's against the SE Munro Egg's.

[denlig]

Originally Posted by Dpro

I was actually checking the Solo 6's the other day. Where I was doing the listening tests( not Guitar Center LOL) they actually told me they had customers who had changed out the twins for the Solo 6's. I have to admit the Solo 6's were very impressive. I tried the CM65's the Adam Ax7's and Dynaudio BM6A MKII's and the Solo's just delivered. Rich full and detailed. Pretty much every thing I wanted in a monitor.

Now I would like the shoot out the Solo 6's against the SE Munro Egg's.

I thought about going down to the solos too. It kills me that the twins is lacking compare to the precision 8 (at least in my studio). I can hear the slightest eq filter moves and reverb tails with the precision 8. The focal seems smooth sounding and sounds like their is a roll off of the hi end even with the HF turn up.

denlig

[Jomox]

Monitors are very personal and for many of us we don't rate the Twins very highly at all (While others do)

We are (and you) lucky we have many other monitor saround this price region to test to get what fits you perfectly.

I'd advise to try some other monitors out, maybe the Opal's are more what your after (As in your use to the 8's soyou may find it much better with the Opals for you personally as with other monitors)

[denlig]

Originally Posted by Jomox

Monitors are very personal and for many of us we don't rate the Twins very highly at all (While others do)

We are (and you) lucky we have many other monitor saround this price region to test to get what fits you perfectly.

I'd advise to try some other monitors out, maybe the Opal's are more what your after (As in your use to the 8's soyou may find it much better with the Opals for you personally as with other monitors)

Thanks man,

I think the focals will go bye bye.

[Musiclab]

I suggest you do a mix with each and see which translates better. I've had Twin 6's for a few years now and my mixes translate MUCH better since I have them.

[Fleaman]

Twins and precision 8's are voiced quite different.

Had Precision 8's, Opals are WAY better all around (every category other than price).

Shot out the twins against 0300's and barefoots, wasn't into them (not my style). Wasn't really into the 0300's or BF's either, but at this level it gets much more subjective.

[RCM - Ronan]

Originally Posted by denlig

My studio was design by JH Brandt and it sounds great in here but im sicken that the twins is not kicking the 8's butt. I can hear deeper in the mix with the one precision 8's. I would like to get the event opals now.

I have not worked on the Focals so I can not really comment, but aside from really unreliable power amps the Precision 8 are very good speakers that easily stand up to many far more expensive options. Nothing wrong with loving them.

[denlig]

Originally Posted by Musiclab

I suggest you do a mix with each and see which translates better. I've had Twin 6's for a few years now and my mixes translate MUCH better since I have them.

Both translate good but the precision 8's let's me nail the mixes faster. In the new studio i can hear more shit happening in the mix with the precision 8's.

denlig

[Musiclab]

Originally Posted by denlig

Both translate good but the precision 8's let's me nail the mixes faster. In the new studio i can hear more shit happening in the mix with the precision 8's.

denlig

then that's your answer, for me after one very bad experience with Event speakers, I would never own anything they make ever again. What I find the Twins really get right is what's happening with the mids and bottom.

[Oldone]

The depth of the image was why I picked up the P8s. I shot them out in 3 or 4 rooms with a variety of competitors and they stood up well. I would add a pair of small ADAMs for midrange work though, there is a small hole in the P8s in the upper midrange. You need something focused in that area to get things right. I still use the P8s every day though.

[denlig]

Originally Posted by Musiclab

then that's your answer, for me after one very bad experience with Event speakers, I would never own anything they make ever again. What I find the Twins really get right is what's happening with the mids and bottom.

Yes the mids and the bottoms are spot on but the highs is not doing it for me. I will try out the Event Opals next. If i would have follow my mind i would have gotten the Opals in the first place.

Oh well, new studio + new monitors = slutz.


denlig

[Jomox]

Originally Posted by denlig

Yes the mids and the bottoms are spot on but the highs is not doing it for me. I will try out the Event Opals next. If i would have follow my mind i would have gotten the Opals in the first place.

Oh well, new studio + new monitors = slutz.


denlig

Should try out the Adam S2X also, there's also those PSI models (more expensive though!)

But you may get on well enough to keep the Opals, but if not it's worth checking the S2X out (incredible near fields with amazing detail from top, middle to bottom)

[O'Ryan]

Love my 8's, They just have to be in the right room. I still don't think im getting the best out of them.

[Ozzy]

I had the UK focal dealer bring a pair of twins to my studio to try out. I personally didnt think they got close to the detail of my ASP8s either.

They had a much more focused mid range and "air" to them, but i prefered the whole sound stage of the ASP8s over all.

I think, like someone else above said, alot of it as to do with what you learn and know.

[denlig]

Originally Posted by O'Ryan

Love my 8's, They just have to be in the right room. I still don't think im getting the best out of them.

How far apart do you have your p8's. I got mine 8ft apart and the sound the best I've ever heard them. I the old studio I had the sitting on my old desk top about 4ft apart and they just sound ok. With them 8ft apart the just kills and all the detail stands out.


denlig

[denlig]

Originally Posted by Ozzy

I had the UK focal dealer bring a pair of twins to my studio to try out. I personally didnt think they got close to the detail of my ASP8s either.

They had a much more focused mid range and "air" to them, but i prefered the whole sound stage of the ASP8s over all.

I think, like someone else above said, a lot of it as to do with what you learn and know.

I had the p8's for bout 5 years now and the twins one 1 year. The room and the placement just took the p8's to a whole new level.

The twins in my room sounds good really good but switching to the p8's while listen to the same song just bring openness to the song I'm listen too.

denlig

[O'Ryan]

Originally Posted by denlig

How far apart do you have your p8's. I got mine 8ft apart and the sound the best I've ever heard them. I the old studio I had the sitting on my old desk top about 4ft apart and they just sound ok. With them 8ft apart the just kills and all the detail stands out.


denlig

At the space I'm at there about 1 & 1/4 away from each other...... I know I need more room to get best potential from them.......Working on that

[RickGobe]

Was this thread a joke? The events are extremely hyped and probably sounded better because they have an enhanced sound. But really i'm just jealous that i don't have your ears because if i did i would have saved myself hundreds of thousands of dollars and i would still be married!

[Motoxxx]

Originally Posted by RickGobe

Was this thread a joke? The events are extremely hyped and probably sounded better because they have an enhanced sound. But really i'm just jealous that i don't have your ears because if i did i would have saved myself hundreds of thousands of dollars and i would still be married!

I was thinking the same thing!!!! (Except I am still married!)

[Ozzy]

No joke unfortunately.

If either of you two are in the uk, feel free to bring your twins to my studio and tell me what you think sounds better. Pm me when you are free and we'll make it happen.

I don't think the ASP8s are perfect, far from it actually. But they sound very, very different to the twins. This can cause problems for someone that's done 1000s of mixes on the ASP8s. I could hear the speaker with the twins, but the asps sound like you could hear through them better. I know a lot of owners who said the "aha!" Moment came for them on completion of mixes on the twins, as apposed to a critical listening session so maybe that's where the differing opinion comes from.

It also comes down to the room itself. When I put the twins up, the first thing I put through it (as I know exactly what it sounds like) is digital bath by deftones. Immediately it was obvious that a lot of low was missing. We had to crank the rear control to get a decent response. I expect that this is due to the different orientation of the woofers and the fact that they're 2x6 an not 1x8. In another room I'm sure the opposite is possible.

I will say I am a huge fan of focal and have owned a few pairs of their high end car audio speakers. I'm currently sorting out demoing the sm9, twins and solo 6s against mine to see which sounds better once and for all! I've had my asp's for over 6 years and more than ready to make an upgrade. However, the twins weren't the upgrade I was looking for.

Oz

[Karloff70]

If you're moving from the 8's and can afford it, definitely try PSI A21m's before you part with your money.

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[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by Ozzy

I'm currently sorting out demoing the sm9, twins and solo 6s against mine to see which sounds better once and for all! I've had my asp's for over 6 years and more than ready to make an upgrade. However, the twins weren't the upgrade I was looking for.

Oz

Make sure you try out the Opals too. I've had ASP8's and the Opals are a HUGE improvement in ALL areas vs the ASP8's.

Wasn't into Twins either.

[work2do]

Originally Posted by denlig

Yes the mids and the bottoms are spot on but the highs is not doing it for me.

If the focals are not burned in for about 4-5 days straight you will not hear what they r capable of doing in the high end.

[Tone Laborer]

Originally Posted by denlig

I got mine 8ft apart and the sound the best I've ever heard them. I the old studio I had the sitting on my old desk top about 4ft apart and they just sound ok. With them 8ft apart the just kills and all the detail stands out.


denlig

More detail at 8 ft, huh? OK.

I use Twins and still have and use, 20/20bas, the old ones. (Also ns10ms and an ancient set of Horrortones, but that's another thread) Two completely different sounding speakers. If you're looking for lots of sparkling, crisp highs, the Events have more. If I wanted a good pair of stereo speakers in the corner of the room, Events. If you want to wow people in the CR with your mix, Events. For good flat production tools, Twins. For more accurate translation, Twins. For sculpting the low mids and lows, Twins by a wide margin. IME.

But they're not for everyone. What is.

[Motoxxx]

I agree with Tone Laborer. There are always speakers that sound better, or different. The main thing is how do your mixes translate when NOT being played on the studio monitors, regardless of brand or model.

We own Genelec 1030a, Yamaha NS10M, Focal Twin6 BE with Focal Sub6, Mackie 824 Mk2, and we also use the Dangerous Music Monitor ST. You can find one box that sounds better in the mids, better in the highs, tighter lows etc....WHO REALLY CARES. Since when mixing you are mixing for music that will be played on countless different systems through all sorts of mediums, the only thing that matters is DO YOUR MIXES TRANSLATE TO THOSE MEDIUMS?

Our Genelecs have deeper detail in the highs but fatigue the ears faster.

The NS10s sound really bad but if you can make the mix linear on the NS10s it will translate to many other systems well.

The Mackies are smooth on the top end but not a lot of detail. The low end is decent but the mids are not very well defined.

The Focal Twin6 is very smooth on the top and non fatiguing, the low end goes plenty deep but the sub really helps not to push the Twin6 too hard which keeps the mids clear and strong without being over bearing. They do not sound the best. That is not the point of monitors. Maybe your home speakers, but not studio monitors. The Twin6 bridges the gaps in all of the monitor we have here.

As always, your room will be a huge deciding factor but compared to everything else we have, overall the Twins rule. No contest.

[Ozzy]

@ Fleaman & Karloff70... Thanks guys, ill be sure to check them out.

Oz

[denlig]

Originally Posted by work2do

If the focals are not burned in for about 4-5 days straight you will not hear what they r capable of doing in the high end.

LOL I had the twin's for well over a year (before i sold them) and mix with them and the asp 8 daily. I always had to remix on the asp 8's.

[denlig]

Originally Posted by Tone Laborer

More detail at 8 ft, huh? OK.

I use Twins and still have and use, 20/20bas, the old ones. (Also ns10ms and an ancient set of Horrortones, but that's another thread) Two completely different sounding speakers. If you're looking for lots of sparkling, crisp highs, the Events have more. If I wanted a good pair of stereo speakers in the corner of the room, Events. If you want to wow people in the CR with your mix, Events. For good flat production tools, Twins. For more accurate translation, Twins. For sculpting the low mids and lows, Twins by a wide margin. IME.

But they're not for everyone. What is.

But that's in your room. And as for 8 ft that was in my room. I live in illinois and you can come and hear the event in my room against your focal anytime. I did the shoot out of mixes with the focal and the asp 8 with client listening. Mixes was better with the asp 8's.

Like I said, this is in my room with my studio design,room treatment and countless hrs of speaker placement and measurements. I paid $2200 for my twin's when i purchase them and did countless measurements to place them correctly. If they were the right speakers in my room i would have never sold them and keep a pair of asp 8's that cost me only $800.

You can't tell me what sound's i hear in my room with the speakers 8 ft apart. I own my studio for close to 19yrs now and i think i can tell by now what works and sound best in my room.

[denlig]

Originally Posted by Motoxxx

I agree with Tone Laborer. There are always speakers that sound better, or different. The main thing is how do your mixes translate when NOT being played on the studio monitors, regardless of brand or model.





As always, your room will be a huge deciding factor but compared to everything else we have, overall the Twins rule. No contest.

You should say that the twin's rule in your room and with the right speaker placement. They didn't rule in mine and as the translation was good also was the asp 8's translation. I always had to do effects and eq adjustment with the asp 8's after mixing with the focals. focal work good in your room but not in mine.