Bring back the EMT 250 and the AMS DMX 15-80s with new modelling hardware or plug-ins

[echo unit]

These two classic units are some of the best effects units ever made and today there are very few of us that have access to these lovely and wonderful things.

I would like to start some companies like AMS, PSP, WAVES, and other new companies to consider giving the audio community these two classics back again in a more user friendly, cost effective and low matinence package.

How many of you would love to see these in some form of modelling hardware or software as well as the AMS RMX reverb and the Lexicon Prime Time M93 delay?

AMS Neve may want to think about ending the ridiculous attempt to model vintage Neve input modules with software and start thinking about modelling calssic digital effects with software which can be done a lot more accurately than trying to re-create the sound of a peice of vintage analog equipment.

[Kiwiburger]

If you have a convolution reverb, like freeware SIR, you can grab the free 32 bit EMT 250 impulses off the net and have a taste of the real thing. They set a high standard for any reverb to meet.

Considering these are out there in the public domain, whoever owns the algorithmns may as well release a plugin - provided they could match or exceed the quality. I'm not sure if these were pure dsp - maybe they had an analog component to them, which might be hard to fake?

[echo unit]

Interesting. I wonder how accurate they are. Please tell us where we can downlaod this freeware and the IR's of the EMT 250.

Thanks

[Rail Jon Rogut]

http://www.tcelectronic.com/DVR2TDM

[84K]

Altiverb

[u b k]

hmm. wouldn't a hardware modeling box of a 250 be... an actual 250? seeing as it was a digital reverb box.

just a thought.


gregoire
del ubik

[GearHunter]

I use the Altiverb EMT 250 all the freakin' time. It's my favorite snare-verb plug!

[Kiwiburger]

Originally Posted by echo unit

Interesting. I wonder how accurate they are. Please tell us where we can downlaod this freeware and the IR's of the EMT 250.

Thanks

http://www.echochamber.ch/responses/index.html

[Kiwiburger]

Originally Posted by u b i k

hmm. wouldn't a hardware modeling box of a 250 be... an actual 250? seeing as it was a digital reverb box.

just a thought.


gregoire
del ubik

AFAIK - early digital reverbs weren't pure DSP algorithmns. I beleive they used digital delay lines, but the converters were fairly low rez (probably a big advantage) and they probably used a fair amount of analog filters, possibly compansion and stuff to get that sound.

[echo unit]

That is great that IR and software exists to emulate the algorithm of the EMT 250 which is probalby the best reverb ever made but how close to the real think is it really? Maybe a dedicated peice of hardware would fare better at creating this classic sound like the new Ursa Major Space Station re-issue tabletop reverb?



And what about the AMS DMX 15-80s delay? No one seems to have mentioned yet how amazing and absolutley necessary this unit is for mixing.

There hasn't been any attempt yet to re-create the amazing sound of this early digital processor using modern technlology and I wonder when someone is going to jump on that.

Eventide has released all of their vintage processors as Plug-ins like the H910 and instant flanger and phaser.

Given the Job that PSP technologies did on re-creating the Lexicon PCM42 almost bang on, they even got the tone of the A/D convertors right in the spftware emulation for the most part...PSP should work on getting us a plug-in model of the AMS DMX 15-80s - the most popular and best sounding dedicated studio delay/modulation efects and pitch shifter processor ever made. Just ask Dan Lanois or the Edge from U2, they made careeers based on the use of these units.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by GearHunter

I use the Altiverb EMT 250 all the freakin' time. It's my favorite snare-verb plug!

I use that one a lot too!

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by echo unit

Maybe a dedicated peice of hardware would fare better at creating this classic sound like the new Ursa Major Space Station re-issue tabletop reverb?

They have which is called the Dynatron 255(which i own by the way).

It sounds close but not as deep.

With a little EQ i can get it in the ball park.

Problem is part ofthe sound of the 250 is in the converters and the 255 comes with none.

You have to roll your own.

Originally Posted by echo unit

Given the Job that PSP technologies did on re-creating the Lexicon PCM42 almost bang on, they even got the tone of the A/D convertors right in the spftware emulation for the most part...PSP should work on getting us a plug-in model of the AMS DMX 15-80s - the most popular and best sounding dedicated studio delay/modulation efects and pitch shifter processor ever made. Just ask Dan Lanois or the Edge from U2, they made careeers based on the use of these units.

Sorry the PSP does not sound like the real thing.

It sounds like its own thing.

But not a PCM 42.

And in the case of the Edge and Lanois its the Korg SDD 3000.


The AMS 15-80 is a staple on just about every record in the 80's.

[digitalson]

i have a emt 250 plate for sale...also a emt 140 !!!

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

They have which is called the Dynatron 255(which i own by the way).

It sounds close but not as deep.

With a little EQ i can get it in the ball park.

Problem is part ofthe sound of the 250 is in the converters and the 255 comes with none.

You have to roll your own.

Hey Thrill,

Welcome back. Where you been... on vacation?

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Hey Thrill,

Welcome back. Where you been... on vacation?

A Vacation?



Try a forced one(problems with SSL console).


Also these days i've chosen just to lurk around GS.


I think over the years i've said enough and now its time to let the new breed of posters take over.


You can only talk about gear so much ad naseum till it becomes old and its that way for me these days.


So i am stepping aside and just lurking and watching in the dark...



...waiting for a chance to see if i have something useful to contribute.


Till then its...

[u b k]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

The AMS 15-80 is a staple on just about every record in the 80's.

run away!!


gregoire
del ubik

[Mike H]

Thrill,
A lot of us have learned a ton from you, so please don't cut back on the posting. You've been missed lately.

Glad to see you are OK.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

A Vacation?

Try a forced one(problems with SSL console).

Also these days i've chosen just to lurk around GS.

I think over the years i've said enough and now its time to let the new breed of posters take over.

You can only talk about gear so much ad naseum till it becomes old and its that way for me these days.

So i am stepping aside and just lurking and watching in the dark...

...waiting for a chance to see if i have something useful to contribute.

Till then its...

Well, I hear you... Sometimes we all just need a break for a little while. I have been cutting back on my postings as the weather gets better!

[theother]

Since UAD-1 and AMS-Neve are already partners why not let UA do an emulation of the RMX16 and S-DMX delay?

They'd be able to pull it off.

Regards the EMT I think impulses are the way. Been covered by Altiverb etc. already.

[GearHunter]

Originally Posted by theother

Since UAD-1 and AMS-Neve are already partners why not let UA do an emulation of the RMX16 and S-DMX delay?

They'd be able to pull it off.

Regards the EMT I think impulses are the way. Been covered by Altiverb etc. already.

That I'd like to see! (and hear!). I use the Plate 140 constantly. That's my go-to long verb, and my go-to short verb is the Altiverb EMT-250 IR.

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by Mike H

Thrill,
A lot of us have learned a ton from you, so please don't cut back on the posting. You've been missed lately.

Glad to see you are OK.

2nd that..... it's still great to read your posts Thrill, I hope you are still going to post as much as you can.

[echo unit]

What is the best way to get AMS-Neve in here to comment on what they think of doing Plug-ins for the two most famous AMS effects processors?

How would you approach getting them interested in doing this.


It seems like the majority of people so far are interested and this thread has stayed up on page 1 of the High end forum for 2 whole days. Let's see how may people chime in here over the next little while and maybe AMS-Neve will notice the growing number of people that want these two.

[Hershal Pearlma]

Wow! Yes, I have asked this same question before myself and would have to say that to bring back the AMS delay pitch chnager and the RMX reverb in the form of some modelling hardware like the reissue Ursa Major Space Station would be sooooooooooooo awasome My AMS DMX 15-80s just sits in the rack with the power off. It has sooo many problems that I can't even use it and getting repairs done on these costs ridiculous amounts. Used units in working order are up to sky high prices on ebay and the used market that there is no point in even looking because whatever you pay, you will have to invest the same amount in repairs. This delay is probalby the best I have ever heard for warm vocal or guitar echoes or longer modulation delays. It has a lot of vibe that I would die to have in the palette of colors when mixing.

I too wonder if AMS-NEVE is listening??????

[Mike H]

A fully refurbished 15-80s, which will operate trouble-free for many many years, is US $2,400 from David Kulka. The price is the same for a fully refurbished RMX-16 from David. Yes, that is expensive, but compare that to the prices of other unique, classic audio gear. And nothing else sounds like these units.

If you really think they can easily duplicate the sounds of either one with plug-ins, just take a look inside these units. Sorry, but I just don't think so.

[Jacklynn]

AMS DMX 15-80s delay/pitch changer plug-in

AMS RMX-16 reverb plug-in

EMT 250 reverb plug-in



AMS-NEVE + Universal Audio UAD-1 let's do this!!!!!!!!!!

[wwittman]

I'll believe it when I hear it.

More likely, we'll get more generic sounding stuff with a cool little onscreen PICTURE of a 250 control panel.

[jbuntz]

Originally Posted by Kiwiburger

If you have a convolution reverb, like freeware SIR, you can grab the free 32 bit EMT 250 impulses off the net and have a taste of the real thing. They set a high standard for any reverb to meet.

Considering these are out there in the public domain, whoever owns the algorithmns may as well release a plugin - provided they could match or exceed the quality. I'm not sure if these were pure dsp - maybe they had an analog component to them, which might be hard to fake?

The EMT 250 had a pitch shift or modulation built in to it which is part of it's sound. Pitch shifts are not captured by impulses.

[spacewars]

Originally Posted by wwittman

I'll believe it when I hear it.

More likely, we'll get more generic sounding stuff with a cool little onscreen PICTURE of a 250 control panel.

I couldn't agree more.

I really wish people would stop with this emulation/modelling nonsense and just face the harsh fact that if you really want the sound of the original, you have to painstakingly and expensively remanufacture it (AMS/Neve 10-series) so that it really IS the same, or so close as makes no odds. This never results in a cheaper product than the original, only a more reliable one, but that's the reality of the situation. Anything else is an approximation, and I'm really, really fed up with hearing about this whole line of thinking.

I have an RMX and DMX, and they both work reliably. I had a little work done on the RMX- cost me about $300. The unit itself was $2200 recently. Come on, people- cut loose, live a little, spend some money. There's a war on.


-sw

[Hershal Pearlma]

OK then.

I want AMS-Neve to re-issue the hardware versions of the:

AMS DMX 1580s delay pitch changer

AMS RMX-16 reverb

And I want someone to re-issue the EMT 250 reverb, how about the company that did the Ursa Major Space Station?

That would be rad!

[Mike H]

Don't hold your breathe, given a limited market. You may wait forever.

I'd call David Kulka and buy one refurbished one of each, and they'll be as reliable as new ones. And you'll have someone to go to if there is ever a problem. Done, moving on.