UM251c blackspade - anyone tried it??
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You listen to the Clipalator clips?
No I have not.
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Just a bit more follow up info on our session:

I know I have explained this many times in many threads on this site, but the idea behind our mic tests was mine, and the focus I feel needs to be on repeatable scenarios that can continue on (this was our 16th session!). I have heard some AWESOME "shootouts" on the web that trump the performances and our presentation of mics, but outside of those shootouts there is no context. Therefore, sometimes a round peg won't fit in our square hole.

For example with these mics, as Mike stated they can handle drums from more of a distance and are very HOT output mics. But since every single drum recording we do is marked and reproduced as closely as possible, the Blackspade line needs more distance than that so our placement / position for us did not work. To record the mics from another area or height would not have been a comparison within our Clipalator. This is not to say you can't use them from a distance on drums as others are doing, but we stuck with our repeatable scenario. You can hear them all on all other sources.

You can hear the M7 capsule's very big, focused and smooth sound, just keeping everything up by the surface sooooooo nicely on the UM17R. What a forgiving top too! To me it qualifies as a WOW all purpose vocal mic, as well as other sources.

You can hear the CT12 with that super low end reach, gently pulled back lower mids for a very clean midrange delivery, and that rich presence and air that brings life to the top end. For acoustic sources it has an exciting and "finished" sound, and for background vocals (by contrast to something like the UM17R) it seems a WOW go-to mic as well as a go-to mic on acoustic sources. Like all mics it can be the perfect fit for the perfect voice.

Those are very general, initial impressions of both as we spent 2 days with them with our one guy tracking these sources. I think the stock versions sound nice compared to others in their range. I think if you're looking for that 47 sound or 251 sound, reaching for the upgrade versions is what I would suggest.

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I wish I had been at the session, because just listening to these files does not give me quite the impression you're describing. Unfortunately it's the nature of the beast. For me, in all the clips, there's something missing in the guitar and male vocal recordings. None of the Blackspades would have been my go-to for those tracks, but then again I'm not hearing them live. However I appreciate the fact that you're trying to be repeatable and objective, and that is no small accomplishment. But when the numbers 47 and 251 are thrown around you need to bring something magic or else it's just another wannabe.

If you really think these mics are special I think you should give them a deeper workout and show what kind of beauty they're really capable of, because the pedigree is definitely there.

-R
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If you really think these mics are special I think you should give them a deeper workout and show what kind of beauty they're really capable of, because the pedigree is definitely there.

-R
I totally agree and I will be recording some acoustic guitar samples for all to hear next week.
I have a few different pres at my disposal and have been thinking about what I should use, for instance I have Telefunken V76s, EAB RE85, API, Amek 9098, Neve 1063, 1272, SSL desk, Hardy, SCA N72, and SCA A12.
I have been using the EAB and V76s with them about 90% of the time but I know this is not a reality for most people so that makes me think I should probably make these sample with something more attainable.

FTR I have the UM25 and the UM17R, I have not heard nor used the UM25C yet.
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I'd really like to hear that Mike.
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I'd also like to hear that mic.
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I have been using the EAB and V76s with them about 90% of the time but I know this is not a reality for most people so that makes me think I should probably make these sample with something more attainable.

FTR I have the UM25 and the UM17R, I have not heard nor used the UM25C yet.
I say just make it sound as good as you can. If in doubt, go with a Neve style, as that's something we can all reference.

Thanks in advance,

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Also, as per another thread, use a couple of different picks.

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I wish I had been at the session, because just listening to these files does not give me quite the impression you're describing. Unfortunately it's the nature of the beast. For me, in all the clips, there's something missing in the guitar and male vocal recordings. None of the Blackspades would have been my go-to for those tracks, but then again I'm not hearing them live. However I appreciate the fact that you're trying to be repeatable and objective, and that is no small accomplishment. But when the numbers 47 and 251 are thrown around you need to bring something magic or else it's just another wannabe.

If you really think these mics are special I think you should give them a deeper workout and show what kind of beauty they're really capable of, because the pedigree is definitely there.

-R
I've got a UM 17r coming about Wed. Stay tuned and I'll post some samples up. Believe me, I will defiantly give that brute a workout.
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Hey Mike, I would love to hear it too!

Our clips are never the whole story, just a bit of context due to repeatability. With so much stuff on the market, it helps.

I wish everybody could be there too for a better picture. I know I like these mics a LOT.
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I've got a UM 17r coming about Wed. Stay tuned and I'll post some samples up. Believe me, I will defiantly give that brute a workout.
I know that you will...and thanks again for letting us take care of you.
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I know that you will...and thanks again for letting us take care of you.
Thank you
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Here are some raw stereo classical clips comparing the UM17R (left) and the UM25C (right) both in Omni. It is in a medium-size church, going through Millennia HV3 / Rosetta 800:

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5

Here is another sample comparing the UM25 (left) with the UM25C (right):

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Great clips.
On the last clip the UM25 seems a little louder.
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Here are some raw stereo classical clips...
They sound very nice indeed.
Were these normalized?
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No, these are just the unprocessed files. The mics are set up about 20' apart as soloist spots, (i.e., not the mains for these clips -- we used pairs of CM7GT, CMT30/M934C, and a C34). So you may want to adjust levels for proper A/B comparison.
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Wow! Really?
These are very hot recording levels. Are you referencing a VU meter?
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They are set properly for the soloist sections, which are much quieter. Of course, the full orchestra + choir together generate a lot more sound.
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These sound nice but I would like to hear some clips without the mic pre being pushed so hard.
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Here's a mix with the UM 17r used on vox only. I used an 1176 going in and Pultec and LA2A coming out. Very little of anything on it really. It didn't need much, however for my baritone, I found I had to use more HP than on other mics. Rolled of about 4 on the top as well around 16k. There's some serious mojo in this thing though.
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DIG your new track, Cowboy!

STrong MOve!
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Cowboy, very cool!
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Cowboy, very cool!
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Vocals sound great...Although not a big fan of this particular Eric Church song...If I hear about tans, trucks, flip flops, country roads, grandpas, smell of jasmine, whiskey, rain, six packs, hank jr, or dirt roads one more time, I'm gonna puke. Sorry.
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Vocals sound great...Although not a big fan of this particular Eric Church song...If I hear about tans, trucks, flip flops, country roads, grandpas, smell of jasmine, whiskey, rain, six packs, hank jr, or dirt roads one more time, I'm gonna puke. Sorry.


Your livin in the wrong town then, Brother.

But I know what you mean. Labels get on a kick that sells and we have to write toward it. It's the business and it sucks but that's the way it is guess.
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I'll be damned...I ain't doing it...
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Your livin in the wrong town then, Brother.

But I know what you mean. Labels get on a kick that sells and we have to right toward it. It's the business and it sucks but that's the way it is guess.
Ahhh...but then it all gets outdone by something outside the box- happens every year.
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Vocals are sonically great...super pro.
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Beautiful vocal, was looking for some vocal clips of the 25c as there isn't much about the mic around the place. Thanks so much for posting

Anyone compared this to an AR-51?
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