UM251c blackspade - anyone tried it??
Old 19th April 2012
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It's confusing when in your one post you made it sound like you worked closely with Tim on the capsule.

And in "your" following post you quickly say you have no affiliation with Tim.

Not sure what I'm missing too?

We all must be drunk
Old 19th April 2012
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I think REX might be drunk too....

Mike as a moderator for gearslutz I will tell you comments like this to serious posts are only gonna make this thread and topic explode and not in a good way. I would tread easy.

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Old 19th April 2012
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It's confusing when in your one post you said you were working with Tim on the capsule.

And in "your" following post you quickly say you have no affiliation with Tim.

Not sure what I'm missing too?

We all must be drunk
Tim is a capsule vendor. We're a microphone company that uses his capsules. Apart from this business relationship, we have no affiliation with Tim Campbell.

Maybe something is being lost in translation, as this business relationship maybe is an affiliation. If the confusion comes from there, my apologies. It seemed more suitable to post a thread with a statement by Tim himself, showing the two different capsules in pictures to clear any misunderstandings.

As said since the beginning, Tim Campbell builds this capsule to our specification for the UM25C. It is not his standard capsule, and is only available for the UM25C.

Hope that helps,
Mike.
Old 19th April 2012
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Oh good I'm not drunk!!

Got it.
Old 19th April 2012
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Good for you, Mike, to clarify this. I am sure JohnKenn was totally honest here. But when dealing with other countries, things can get confusing. The truth eventually comes out. I believe this involved ALL good people.

Now I want TWO of these mics. How well matched are they???

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Dear all,

For the sake of clarity on all of this, please refer to post number 7 in this thread.

AES Pictures

I hope that answers all of your questions, and explains why you'll need to excuse me for not being very receptive to suspicions about our brands integrity.

Sincerely,
Mike.
Old 19th April 2012
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Here's the post in question so we can hopefully put this to rest.
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Old 19th April 2012
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Good for you, Mike, to clarify this. I am sure JohnKenn was totally honest here. But when dealing with other countries, things can get confusing. The truth eventually comes out. I believe this involved ALL good people.

Now I want TWO of these mics. How well matched are they???
Great!

Production tolerance is tight, but matching a pair up for you won't be a problem.

With thanks,
Mike
Old 19th April 2012
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Great!

Production tolerance is tight, but matching a pair up for you won't be a problem.

With thanks,
Mike
Awesome! I ordered a pair of UM25c's from Adam today.
Old 19th April 2012
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We are working our butts off to get the files up by tomorrow night, but having gone through all of these recordings done all day yesterday, and comparing with over 200 microphones referenced the same way, I can say there is a reason to be excited.

Stay tuned.

Also, looks like some sh*t broke out overnight in this thread...hope all is calmed down now.

War
Old 19th April 2012
  #40
Dear Everyone,
I am so sorry about the confusion in this thread caused by my response to an email that simply asked my opinion of a microphone I have not heard.

Let me be clear. I make the UM25c's capsule specifically for this mic.
Initially Blackspade and Oliver Archut bought one of my standard capsules,evaluated it, asked for various changes. I built a new capsule for evaluation, got feedback and eventually we settled on the parameters employed in the UM25c's capsule. It wasn't necessary for me to hear the mic during this development as it was their judment as to what fit their criteria.

As far as my opinion of this capsule I think it's one of the best I build and am really looking forward to hearing the end result. I am a big fan of Oliver's excellent work.
Old 19th April 2012
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Hi Tim, Bob and I were just talking about our session a bit and the one thing that strikes us is how your capsule pulls low end out so nicely even at a distance. Any mic can deliver big bass response up close, but the UM25C with your capsule really delivers at distances.

He has a pair of C12a with original, unmodified CK12 capsules so we do have some context on tone and delivery.

War
Old 19th April 2012
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The tranny, amongst other things, plays a part in that, too.




Henk
Old 19th April 2012
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Not really, it's the capsule in this case of the "C" version of this mic.

War
Old 19th April 2012
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Not really, it's the capsule in this case of the "C" version of this mic.
From what I understood some sort of a comparison was made there between the UM25C and a pair of C12A's.

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Hi Tim, Bob and I were just talking about our session a bit and the one thing that strikes us is how your capsule pulls low end out so nicely even at a distance. Any mic can deliver big bass response up close, but the UM25C with your capsule really delivers at distances.

He has a pair of C12a with original, unmodified CK12 capsules so we do have some context on tone and delivery.
But perhaps I don't get it.
And in any case, I don't want to start a war, War.
It's not important.

Carry on.




Henk
Old 19th April 2012
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Awesome. That clears it up. Tim posting that Oliver wanted a few changes says to me that he and Blackspade have really worked hard at getting this right. Sorry I stirred up a shitstorm.
Old 19th April 2012
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What I was saying was we directly compared the UM25 and UM25C as well though, which share the same transformer. I was a little confused at your statement.

No wars here! OK, just me.

War

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From what I understood some sort of a comparison was made there between the UM25C and a pair of C12A's..

And in any case, I don't want to start a war, War.
Old 19th April 2012
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All good stuff, can't wait to hear it.
Old 19th April 2012
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I have been using the UM25s for drum overheads with no less than stellar results. In my career I have used many different mics for drum duties including many coveted vintage mics and I can safely say after 6 or so months of using them that I am getting some of my best sounds with these mics. They are very loud mics with a noise floor that is so low you will not even know it's working until signal starts flowing through it. It has scared the crap outta me on a few occasions! These mics have a very far focus/reach and they are very loud so I tend to have to pull them up a bit higher off the kit than if I were to use something like an sm81. Being farther off the kit you would think that the cymbals would get smeared and you would inject quite a bit of room in the signal but that has not been the case for me. I am getting a very detailed and natural sound...and I do not need hardly any gain from the mic pre. Brilliant just brilliant.
I am using them as split pairs and as MS depending on the client.
I am also using these mics for acoustic guitar and they have all the body and midrange sparkle you could ask for.
Everyone of my clients have commented on how great things are sounding since we started using them.
Life is good.
Old 19th April 2012
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Hi Mike - any chance of posting a clip of the drum overhead recording?
Cheers,
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I have been using the UM25s for drum overheads with no less than stellar results. . . .
Old 20th April 2012
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We are working our butts off to get the files up by tomorrow night, but having gone through all of these recordings done all day yesterday, and comparing with over 200 microphones referenced the same way, I can say there is a reason to be excited.

Stay tuned.

Also, looks like some sh*t broke out overnight in this thread...hope all is calmed down now.

War
Can't wait. Been checking the site every 5 minutes War.

After trying them, which do you prefer on male vox, 25c or 17r?
Old 20th April 2012
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I have been using the UM25s for drum overheads with no less than stellar results. In my career I have used many different mics for drum duties including many coveted vintage mics and I can safely say after 6 or so months of using them that I am getting some of my best sounds with these mics. They are very loud mics with a noise floor that is so low you will not even know it's working until signal starts flowing through it. It has scared the crap outta me on a few occasions! These mics have a very far focus/reach and they are very loud so I tend to have to pull them up a bit higher off the kit than if I were to use something like an sm81. Being farther off the kit you would think that the cymbals would get smeared and you would inject quite a bit of room in the signal but that has not been the case for me. I am getting a very detailed and natural sound...and I do not need hardly any gain from the mic pre. Brilliant just brilliant.
I am using them as split pairs and as MS depending on the client.
I am also using these mics for acoustic guitar and they have all the body and midrange sparkle you could ask for.
Everyone of my clients have commented on how great things are sounding since we started using them.
Life is good.
That done it. I'm putting my order in today, Warren. How many do you have in stock? Serious question.
Old 20th April 2012
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Give me a buzz, happy to take care of you.

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Old 20th April 2012
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OK, I have clips of acoustic guitar, electric guitar and male vocals posted in the Clipalator from our session this week.

Clipalator: Audio and Video | Studio Gear Shootouts @ ZenProAudio.com

All four Blackspade models were used right after the other.

It's very interesting to hear the capsule / power supply upgrades! They are essentially night and day, of course the capsule is the heart and soul of a microphone...and it really shows here.

War
Old 20th April 2012
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Thanks for posting the clips Warren. At first I thought the 25C was too bright and glassy, but after listening to a lot of other mics on your site I was impressed with how the mic translates the upper harmonics of the guitar without any "ringing" or annoying resonance (i.e., compare to the Neumann 87). I agree, the capsule upgrade is essential.

-R
Old 20th April 2012
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I thought the UM17r simply killed on everything, especially acoustic guitar. For my style of music, this is hands down the choice for me. What was your take on them, John? We have similar styles.
Old 21st April 2012
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Hi Mike - any chance of posting a clip of the drum overhead recording?
Cheers,
AB
Let me find something that has no legal baggage...I know I have a mono overhead example but let me see if I can find a stereo example with no legal ties.
Old 21st April 2012
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There's a lot going on above 10khz...I think I liked the um17 better. But I guess you really have to get them in front of you to be able to tell
Old 21st April 2012
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There's a lot going on above 10khz...
Where?
Old 21st April 2012
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You listen to the Clipalator clips?
Old 21st April 2012
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I thought the 25 was a bit high biased myself. Not thin sounding at all but still. This is probably why it shines on overheads and with some slight subtractive eq, would no doubt suit any voice. The 17 seemed very flat and brought out harmonics well. This is a subjective test that Warren has done so, there is really no way to tell until I get my hands on one. Both are a great mic.
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