Drum recording technique

tomwehrle · 22nd May 2006, 01:11 PM

Hey, I just ran across this pic, apparently Michael W Smith is working on a cd project...anyways, I saw this and wondered if it's normal to place a blanket over the kick drum like is shown in this candid pic of the recording process...is it?

tamasdragon · 22nd May 2006, 01:27 PM

It's absolutely normal, we do it regulary.
Regards Tamas Dragon

tomwehrle · 22nd May 2006, 02:07 PM

does it keep the kick drum out of the overheads more, or what exactly is the idea...i've never done it

jenkel16 · 22nd May 2006, 02:22 PM

I think it's the other way around, to keep the cymbals out of a mic placed in front of the kick drum. A blanket is not going to stop the low frequencies from a kick.

frans · 22nd May 2006, 02:34 PM

Well, it keeps the kickdrum warm, doesn't it? The warm sound, you know. Sometimes I like to put up the mic in front of the kick a bit further away to catch more low end and this keeps the cymbals from bleeding in too much. You even can build a whole tunnel if you like. The other musicians will trip over and crash it anyway...

Bishbashbosh · 22nd May 2006, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frans

Well, it keeps the kickdrum warm, doesn't it?

Usually a blanket is too thin. A very heavy duvet is a much better bet.
This practice started in the 60's, when close miking drums started, but drummers always had a solid front head.... you'd get loads of bleed from the other intruments into the kick mic, and sympathetic resonance with the bass on the kick's front head (damping of the kick didn't really start till the late 60's).
Nowadays it's used to stop the cymbals leaking into the front of kick mic so you can compress it to hell if you want to!!

The very best thing to use if there's one available is a leather grand piano cover.

Nutmeg II. · 22nd May 2006, 07:03 PM

There is another benefit besite the "keep the cymbales out of the fok mic".
The tom mic do get less or no reflections from the kick, so there is less comb filter action in the tom mics.

wwittman · 22nd May 2006, 08:09 PM

I do it or something like it usually... and it IS to keep the bass drum out of everything else; especially room mics.

Not the other way round.

not_so_new · 22nd May 2006, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwittman

I do it or something like it usually... and it IS to keep the bass drum out of everything else; especially room mics.

Not the other way round.

Really?? Not questioning your method or mind set (your credits speak for themselves and who the hell am I) but I find it to help with both the room mics and keeping the cymbals out of the close kick mic. The blanket or tunnel works both ways right? I mean it stops sound from entering in as much as it does going out so I find that it helps separate the kick as a whole unit.

To the original post about is it "normal" to do this? I would say it is to some degree but it is not a must. It is like everything else, depends on the room / drums / drummer / song / equipment / phase of the moon.

I did the kick tunnel dance for years but in my new room, and now that I have been using an SM91 on the floor of the kick I find it is not so important for me. As always YMMV, you have to try it for yourself.

max cooper · 22nd May 2006, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwittman

I do it or something like it usually... and it IS to keep the bass drum out of everything else; especially room mics.

Not the other way round.

Boom! If you have a stomper, the kick can sound really weird by the time you get the rest of the kit sounding cool. It all depends.

Of course that doesn't take into account how much comes of the back of the beater head. (Insert joke)

In that book by Bruce Swieden, there's a picture of a quilted kick drum cover he had made. Seems less obtrusive.

Bassmec · 22nd May 2006, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwittman

I do it or something like it usually... and it IS to keep the bass drum out of everything else; especially room mics.

Not the other way round.

Funny that's what us jolly British chaps do it for. Long time since I have seen any
"Outfield" chaps round Ipswich way.
Regards.•:*¨¨*:•. ¸¸.•´¯`•.Mark Fairfax-Harwood, Engineer Springvale Studios

Ken · 23rd May 2006, 09:31 AM

it's a great place to hide the pot- the drummer never thinks to look there!

-and it keeps the cymbals out of the kick whilst allowing you to get a more diffuse/real kick drum sound

RoundBadge · 23rd May 2006, 05:25 PM

If you make the tunnel long enough,It's a great place to take naps during downtime..
very cozy..

not_so_new · 23rd May 2006, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

If you make the tunnel long enough,It's a great place to take naps during downtime..
very cozy..

Don't laugh, I have really done this before..... and I am not joking.

RoundBadge · 23rd May 2006, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by not_so_new

Don't laugh, I have really done this before..... and I am not joking.

Neither am i..

RKrizman · 23rd May 2006, 07:39 PM

If the kick needs a lot of high end eq the snare leakage in the kick mic will get boosted to an objectionable level. At least that's why I sometimes blanket the kick.

-R

magellan · 23rd May 2006, 09:23 PM

we use the technique often, as in the photo below from a session yesterday. under the blanket layers on the right is a heavy braided-wool basket housing an LDC. it's about 5' back, and works well for capturing the 'whoomp'...

Sigma · 24th May 2006, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwittman

I do it or something like it usually... and it IS to keep the bass drum out of everything else; especially room mics.

Not the other way round.

really??? hmmmm... maybe that 's how you worked but we always used it to keep BD mic isolated from rest of kit. different strokes for different folks and missions..

tomwehrle · 24th May 2006, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magellan

we use the technique often, as in the photo below from a session yesterday. under the blanket layers on the right is a heavy braided-wool basket housing an LDC. it's about 5' back, and works well for capturing the 'whoomp'...Attachment 20225

You still place a mic inside the kick though right?
That's the only way I've recorded a kick drum...

84K · 24th May 2006, 10:27 AM

We made a tunnel out of left over Auralex and we keep it in place by throwing a duvet cover on it. Right now there is a 421 inside facing the beater, and a Subkick just outside. Both under the cover. Quite.

RainbowStorm · 24th May 2006, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magellan

we use the technique often, as in the photo below from a session yesterday. under the blanket layers on the right is a heavy braided-wool basket housing an LDC. it's about 5' back, and works well for capturing the 'whoomp'...Attachment 20225

That's a cosy way of killing a kick drum. Kidding...

Ken · 25th May 2006, 04:44 AM

The Yamaha "subkick" rocks !

I used it with a jazz trio - soft drumming, and believe it or not, the subkick really gets that low presence so the kick is "there" without being too obtrusive.

Doesn't need "the tunnel" cause it doesn't pick up high end anyway!

I know many guys use it for a heavy drum sound, but its great on the soft stuff too...

if you've used one you know that output is no problem either.

Ollie · 25th May 2006, 05:00 AM

Speaking of great drum sounds and drummers. I saw Jim Keltner with T-Bone Bunett, Marc Ribot and few other great players last night. Keltner gets such a magnificent tone. I believe alot of the micing on his kit was his own doing. He had a mic attached to the top of his kick that angled slightly down to the top right portion of his kick. Sounded really great.

magellan · 25th May 2006, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joemeekfreak

You still place a mic inside the kick though right?
That's the only way I've recorded a kick drum...

yes, for that project there was also an AKG D112 inside the bass drum.

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tomwehrle Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 398	Drum recording technique Hey, I just ran across this pic, apparently Michael W Smith is working on a cd project...anyways, I saw this and wondered if it's normal to place a blanket over the kick drum like is shown in this candid pic of the recording process...is it? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Tom Wehrle www.tomwehrle.com www.myspace.com/tomwehrle

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tomwehrle Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 398	does it keep the kick drum out of the overheads more, or what exactly is the idea...i've never done it __________________ Tom Wehrle www.tomwehrle.com www.myspace.com/tomwehrle

22nd May 2006, 07:03 PM	#7
Nutmeg II. Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: GEARmany Posts: 889	There is another benefit besite the "keep the cymbales out of the fok mic". The tom mic do get less or no reflections from the kick, so there is less comb filter action in the tom mics. __________________ "Any recording engineer who uses a tube U47 is obviously not a professional" Stephan Temmer 1979 Premium Blend Music Productions / Rootdown Music / Gentleman

22nd May 2006, 08:09 PM	#8
wwittman Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York Posts: 1,598	I do it or something like it usually... and it IS to keep the bass drum out of everything else; especially room mics. Not the other way round. __________________ William Wittman Producer/Engineer (Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, The Fixx, The Outfield...)

22nd May 2006, 01:27 PM	#2
tamasdragon Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 762	It's absolutely normal, we do it regulary. Regards Tamas Dragon

22nd May 2006, 02:22 PM	#4
jenkel16 Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 115	I think it's the other way around, to keep the cymbals out of a mic placed in front of the kick drum. A blanket is not going to stop the low frequencies from a kick.

22nd May 2006, 02:34 PM	#5
frans Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bavaria, Germany Posts: 299	Well, it keeps the kickdrum warm, doesn't it? The warm sound, you know. Sometimes I like to put up the mic in front of the kick a bit further away to catch more low end and this keeps the cymbals from bleeding in too much. You even can build a whole tunnel if you like. The other musicians will trip over and crash it anyway...

23rd May 2006, 09:31 AM	#12
Ken Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 13	it's a great place to hide the pot- the drummer never thinks to look there! -and it keeps the cymbals out of the kick whilst allowing you to get a more diffuse/real kick drum sound

23rd May 2006, 05:25 PM	#13
RoundBadge Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca. Posts: 5,543	If you make the tunnel long enough,It's a great place to take naps during downtime.. very cozy..

23rd May 2006, 07:39 PM	#16
RKrizman Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,748	If the kick needs a lot of high end eq the snare leakage in the kick mic will get boosted to an objectionable level. At least that's why I sometimes blanket the kick. -R

23rd May 2006, 09:23 PM	#17
magellan Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 181	we use the technique often, as in the photo below from a session yesterday. under the blanket layers on the right is a heavy braided-wool basket housing an LDC. it's about 5' back, and works well for capturing the 'whoomp'...

24th May 2006, 10:27 AM	#20
84K Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: right coast Posts: 3,714	We made a tunnel out of left over Auralex and we keep it in place by throwing a duvet cover on it. Right now there is a 421 inside facing the beater, and a Subkick just outside. Both under the cover. Quite.

25th May 2006, 04:44 AM	#22
Ken Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 13	The Yamaha "subkick" rocks ! I used it with a jazz trio - soft drumming, and believe it or not, the subkick really gets that low presence so the kick is "there" without being too obtrusive. Doesn't need "the tunnel" cause it doesn't pick up high end anyway! I know many guys use it for a heavy drum sound, but its great on the soft stuff too... if you've used one you know that output is no problem either.

25th May 2006, 05:00 AM	#23
Ollie Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 723	Jim Keltner Speaking of great drum sounds and drummers. I saw Jim Keltner with T-Bone Bunett, Marc Ribot and few other great players last night. Keltner gets such a magnificent tone. I believe alot of the micing on his kit was his own doing. He had a mic attached to the top of his kick that angled slightly down to the top right portion of his kick. Sounded really great.

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