15th March 2012
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#1 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | Mic Pre suggestions for CMV563?
Hi All,
Any suggestions or combinations that worked for you for a pre for a CMV563 mainly with the M7 capsule?
I am thinking of an Aurora audio GTQ2. Some might say that since the mic is already tube and has a character I should get a transparent pre, but tube Neumanns are tracked all the time through Neve's, especially back in the day.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
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15th March 2012
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16th March 2012
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I have 2 cmv563's and have used about a dozen different ones. Most of them are a bit thick and wooly, tho as with most 50 year old electronics they are all a bid different. To fit certain voices, I have found using the proximity effect (or moving away to avoid it) very useful in getting a voice to fit with it.
I have used v72's and I own telefunken 676's. While I love them with my M71's, I generally dont like the thick telefunken sound on the 563 for vocals. It can work well for electric guitar. Similarly, my API's were never a good combination especially when doing close vocal work (the v72 with 563s are amazing for classical recording room mics).
I do like it with a cleaner preamp be it tube or not. I have found my manley preamps are a great combination. In the lower end my Syteks sound great with it. I happen to own a studio tech that sounds similar to a millenia or other very clean preamp, which I love with it. The cmv does great with cheaper preamps too. Ive used it with an aphex and a mackie, both actually blended with my cmv with good results.
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16th March 2012
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guess it really comes down to experimentation given the particular source.
sonics can vary on those old 563's,depends on the age/condition.they can be on the dark side.
Ive had a lot of luck w a 563/ Neve 1073 w a bit of top boost to open it up.
I also got to use a cleaner gordon pre on it and it sounded v nice too.
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16th March 2012
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I agree this is highly subjective and source dependent. In addition it is dependent on the particular mic itself (as is the case with all older mic's - as each is somewhat different given the condition and age and any mods).
I don't subscribe to the notion that if I've got a tube mic I don't want to add a tube pre. I'll try anything and decide for myself. Some combo's I might like, others I might not, but I don't base the selection on any rule.
I've got a completely rebuilt CMV-563 that has AMI iron in it along with Oliver's circuit mods (changed the mic for the better) . I think it works great with my Neve 1272 for vocals. I think it works great with a tube Roll Tubule for vocals. It works fine with a API 512, as well. The API is not my preference (for male vocals with the CMV563) if I could pick something else - but still produces a really good result.
I've not used the Aurora so I can't comment on it, other than to say given who produces it I'd not hesitate to try it. The Neve flavor with the CMV563 to me is fine - better than fine - works great. I like my CMV563/1272 combo for vocals, guitar (acoustic and electric). Works great for me. I'd suggest you try some things and see what works for you.
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16th March 2012
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Thanks for all the comments guys.
I am looking into the Aurora Audio GTQ2 right now, and from your comments, it looks like I'm following the right route going for the 1073 type of sound.
I will experiment at some point (funds allowed) with different preamps. My CMV563 and M7s capsule are in very good condition and sound great, and I've only tried it with a Mackie DXB up to now (their TI/Burr-Brown PGA2500 based preamp). Not toooo bad.
Soon my signal path will be CMV -> GTQ2 -> Apogee Rosetta 800 -> Mackie DXB (via AES so no conversion/influence of the Mackie on the sound) -> DAW (via FW from the DXB)
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16th March 2012
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I use my 563/M7 with the Metric Halo ULN8 pres, Mercury M72 and RCA BA-31a and it rocks with each and everyone.
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16th March 2012
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Originally Posted by swafford  I use my 563/M7 with the Metric Halo ULN8 pres, Mercury M72 and RCA BA-31a and it rocks with each and everyone. | Nice set of boxes there 
I love this mic, it must be one of the most underrated mics around...which is good cause it's still relatively cheap.
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24th March 2012
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26th March 2012
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CMV563 is amazing with my V76. Not sure if it's just a perfect impedance pairing or what, but it really comes to life. Sometimes I'll add a little 10k shelf with a Neve 33122 (for guys especially).
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29th March 2012
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Originally Posted by chops CMV563 is amazing with my V76. Not sure if it's just a perfect impedance pairing or what, but it really comes to life. Sometimes I'll add a little 10k shelf with a Neve 33122 (for guys especially). | V76...pretty much anything would sound amazing through that :-) I bet the CMV does too! but, out of my budget for now. Some day :-)
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25th August 2012
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Originally Posted by Frost I have 2 cmv563's and have used about a dozen different ones. Most of them are a bit thick and wooly, tho as with most 50 year old electronics they are all a bid different. To fit certain voices, I have found using the proximity effect (or moving away to avoid it) very useful in getting a voice to fit with it.
I have used v72's and I own telefunken 676's. While I love them with my M71's, I generally dont like the thick telefunken sound on the 563 for vocals. It can work well for electric guitar. Similarly, my API's were never a good combination especially when doing close vocal work (the v72 with 563s are amazing for classical recording room mics).
I do like it with a cleaner preamp be it tube or not. I have found my manley preamps are a great combination. In the lower end my Syteks sound great with it. I happen to own a studio tech that sounds similar to a millenia or other very clean preamp, which I love with it. The cmv does great with cheaper preamps too. Ive used it with an aphex and a mackie, both actually blended with my cmv with good results.
Frost | hey interesting , i always heard a V72 and the CMV was the dream combo but for my ears the neve 1272 / 1073 worked better. i found the tube tele pre's to be a little more 'honky' , anyone else experienced this ? this was however before i got mine modded by andreas grosser. that made a huge difference to the overall sound. anyone had a chance to compare the CMV to a U47 or good U47 clone like a FLEA just out of interest ?
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25th August 2012
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I have an original cmv3/m7 setup that does love the v72 (I have wondered along if the poster above who mentioned good impedence matching if that is the case. Keep in mind I have the cmv (a different mic) but the v72 is pretty far from honky, so is a neve. I do find the the neve to be more midrange forward than the v72.
A nice alternative is the trp. 1073 is nice too.
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