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Old 11th May 2006, 02:57 PM   #1
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ProTools Video Capability??

I'm a Nuendo and Cubase User. Nuendo and Cubase both have some video/work to picture capability. Does ProTools have this capability within the program or is more required? Thanks in advance for your responses.
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Old 11th May 2006, 05:10 PM   #2
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Protools is able to import QuickTime videos so you can lock your music to video. I had to do it about 14 months ago, so I don't totally remember the process, but for never doing it before I was able to do it in a reasonable amount of time. I have my Protools manuals at home; they should have a section on it. I would be happy to copy some pages off for you.
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Yes. Pro-Tools allows you to do audio post to a Quicktime movie or you can sync up to an external video deck. It can also play the quicktime movies out the firewire port for projection purposes. It is very simple to do simply select import quicktime movie under the file menu.

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yea, and if your importing a quicktime, make sure that you have timecode burned in so that your session can be aligned to that code so if there should have to be any video edits made or whatnot it will make your life way easier.
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yes you can....thousands and thousands of people do it everyday.

PT 7.2 (releasing in a couple months i think) is going to be quite incredible in regards to video options
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Just so you know..... video playback inside your computer can tax the processor and slow down the whole computer. An inexpensive option is the external video processor box called the Canopus ADVC-110. The Canopus box is popular as it keeps audio and video in sync if you use it to digitize video into your computer. (some other boxes do not)

The Canopus hooks up to your computer via firewire, and it greatly lessens the video processing load on your CPU when you playback Quicktime DV files. You will need to use Quicktime Pro ($30) to convert existing files from Quicktime to Quicktime DV 720x480 if you use the Canopus box.

The Canopus ADVC-110 costs approximately $225 plus an extra charge for the optional power supply. I strongly suggest buying the optional power supply, as powering the unit from the rear firewire buss on the unit can damage your computer. DO NOT use the rear firewire port on a Canopus ADVC-110 - it is an uncommon 'DV spec' that carries higher than usual voltages that can destroy the firewire port on your computer. Use only the supplied 4 -> 6 pin firewire cable, the optional power adaptor and the front firewire port. (The front 4 pin Firewire port on the Canopus doesn't carry potentially damaging voltages.)

Do not chain the Canopus box after a firewire drive - ideally it should be on it on it's own firewire port. Consider buying an inexpensive PCI to firewire card for the Canopus (as little as $15-$40).

In ProTools, set the video offset to 22 quarter frames (5.5 frames total) This is because there is a processing delay when using the Canopus box..... so you have to advance the video the 5.5 frames (or 22 quarter frames, as ProTools puts it.)
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Old 11th May 2006, 06:27 PM   #7
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Digidesign being an Avid company one can safely asume that yes indeed pro tools has video capabilities. Integration with Avid systems of course is the 'tighest'.

A avid Mojo for example, unlike with boxes like a Canopus does not need an offset. it is frame accurate at all times and no matter what length of movie your working on.

I'm mentioning this because with boxes like the canopus there is not only an offset ... over longer periods in time it is not stable either.
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.... (snip)..... A avid Mojo for example, unlike with boxes like a Canopus does not need an offset. it is frame accurate at all times and no matter what length of movie your working on.

I'm mentioning this because with boxes like the canopus there is not only an offset ... over longer periods in time it is not stable either.
My experience has been that the Canopus ADVC-100 (or ADVC-110) works very, very well. I have not experienced any problems at all - working on many feature films and TV projects.

I have never had any stability problems over long periods. (I assume you mean over an hour or longer of audio and video material)

The Canopus box is very, very popular with film and tv composers in Los Angeles.

I have never seen an Avid Mojo in any composer's studio. Perhaps because it is $1300 and the Canpus is less than $300... and in my experience the Canopus works just fine....



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Old 11th May 2006, 07:00 PM   #9
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I have to agree with Mr. Rodd (is this the John Rodd of Manta fame?)

The Canopus ADVC boxes are a great solution. I haven't seen any stability problems unless one was capturing video from an unstable source, like VHS.

Just make sure if you are receiving a Quicktime video from someone, that it is at the correct frame rate. Should work fine. I also try to make sure the file has at least a bit of preroll, as on playback in ProTools, it may not play the first 5 or so frames (probably 22 1/4 frames, eh?).

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I have expierenced terrible latency using the canopus ADVC-100. ( Apple G5 dual 2.5 (2.5 gigs of Ram)
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Just so you know..... The Canopus box is popular as it keeps audio and video in sync.....
........In ProTools, set the video offset to 22 quarter frames (5.5 frames total) This is because there is a processing delay when using the Canopus box.....
so much for "it keeps audio and video in sync"....
Or you can use any Sony miniDV camcorder to do the same and cost you nothing if you already have one. Basically what you are using the Canopus box for (or the Mojo, or the camcorder), is to output the DV file out to external monitor.
Mojo is an overkill if you don't do video editing at all, but so is the Canopus thing.
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I have to agree with Mr. Rodd (is this the John Rodd of Manta fame?)

The Canopus ADVC boxes are a great solution. I haven't seen any stability problems unless one was capturing video from an unstable source, like VHS.

Just make sure if you are receiving a Quicktime video from someone, that it is at the correct frame rate. Should work fine. I also try to make sure the file has at least a bit of preroll, as on playback in ProTools, it may not play the first 5 or so frames (probably 22 1/4 frames, eh?).

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On the subject of frame rates......

my 2c is:

I would strongly suggest that anyone working with video & music scoring in North America (or anywhere else that uses NTSC) always insist on video files that have the frame rate of 29.97, (not 24, 30, or any other frame rate) and that the video files have visual timecode burn-in. You obviously want the dialog and effects on the audio track, but without any temp score.

It may prove to be difficult to get video files in 29.97, but as this is the television standard frame rate in North America, it makes for fewer headaches later. If you get 29.97 video files, and you deliver back music at 29.97, your life will be easier. Projects sometime start as a synth only score, but when the producer loves the music, and they suddenly find money to hire musicians or an orchestra, if the video files are already at 29.97 (as is the sequencer) it will be much easier to view movie files on an ordinary TV in any recording studio in North America.

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so much for "it keeps audio and video in sync".... (snip)....
What I said was
The Canopus box is popular as it keeps audio and video in sync if you use it to digitize video into your computer. (some other boxes do not)
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I have expierenced terrible latency using the canopus ADVC-100. ( Apple G5 dual 2.5 (2.5 gigs of Ram)

Have you tried contacting Canopus technical support? I found them to be extremely helpful when I called them with a few questions.

If you are having problems with ProTools and a Canopus - perhaps a search and / or a post at the DUC might help too?

I hope you can get your issue resolved.

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Hi John... we never actually met, as I worked at Manta quite a while later. I assisted Gary a fair bit and your name was often thrown around... in the highest regard, I might add.

Sadly, Manta's walls finally came down over the last couple months after it sat vacant since '02 or '03. sigh...

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Thanks

Thank you all very much for your replies. Now what about Windows Media files? (.wmv) Nuendo and Cubase are unable to use those, is ProTools able to work with them?

Thanks Zwinter for the manual offer, but we probably would not be making any system changes so, although I appreciate the offer, it isn't necessary for you to go through the trouble.

Is there, or do any of you know of, an ITB tool for converting .wmv to Quicktime?
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Thank you all very much for your replies. Now what about Windows Media files? (.wmv) Nuendo and Cubase are unable to use those, is ProTools able to work with them?

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Is there, or do any of you know of, an ITB tool for converting .wmv to Quicktime?

as far as I know - Protools only works with Quicktime.

I don't know of any utilities.....
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Hey John, Thank you for the very informative info. I am about to get another video card and was just going to get a igniter (what i use at another facility). The canopus looks promising (and cheap) without bogging my pci bus down.

In regards to 29.97, are you running drop or non drop 29.97. I recently did a 60i/HD recording to da98 (everything synced with Denecke stb boxes, scary in itself) and was advised to run nondrop, but all the NTSC SD I normally do is specified at drop.

Do you have any comments or much experience in HD or "almost" HD progressive whatever (it's all getting very confusing)....
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Hey John, Thank you for the very informative info. I am about to get another video card and was just going to get a igniter (what i use at another facility). The canopus looks promising (and cheap) without bogging my pci bus down.

In regards to 29.97, are you running drop or non drop 29.97. I recently did a 60i/HD recording to da98 (everything synced with Denecke stb boxes, scary in itself) and was advised to run nondrop, but all the NTSC SD I normally do is specified at drop.

Do you have any comments or much experience in HD or "almost" HD progressive whatever (it's all getting very confusing)....
Heya Doug

In regards to drop or non-drop - I run at whatever the program is..... feature films are almost always non-drop. I can't remember the last time a film I worked on was drop frame.

In the old days tv work was almost all drop frame, but that is slowly changing....

As long as you match the picture, you should be fine.

I don't have much experience with HD - for better or for worse. Sorry no tips there.

I guess my standard advice would be to insist that you get a NTSC 29.97 (drop or non drop) and deliver the same specs back to the client - and that may well help simplify everything.....

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Hi John... we never actually met, as I worked at Manta quite a while later. I assisted Gary a fair bit and your name was often thrown around... in the highest regard, I might add.

Sadly, Manta's walls finally came down over the last couple months after it sat vacant since '02 or '03. sigh...

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Heya Nathan!

Yes, Gary is a great guy, and we always got on like a house on fire, so to speak.

I was sad to see Manta torn down. I worked with a ton of great people in that place, and learned a bunch.

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We have a number of rooms using Mojos. Maybe more expensive than canopus or others but if your bread and butter is video post it's a godsend. Makes video seamless in PT. Just hook up your video sync, in, and out. Create an Avid movie track in PT and record in video like an audio track. It also lets you do some rudimentary editing as well as have multiple movies on the timeline. The downside is that if a client gives you a quicktime to work with the mojo is a dead weight. Meaning you can't get it to display the quicktime on the TV connected to the Mojo. You'll be stuck working to a little window on your desktop unless you have a Final Cut rig to play it in and capture as regular video. Also it only captures in one resolution and in it's own Avid format so you can't really do anything with the video outside of the session. Other than that Mojo is cool. There is rumor of a fully HD video solution coming out for PT any time now.
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In regards to drop or non-drop - I run at whatever the program is..... feature films are almost always non-drop. I can't remember the last time a film I worked on was drop frame.

In the old days tv work was almost all drop frame, but that is slowly changing....

As long as you match the picture, you should be fine.

I don't have much experience with HD - for better or for worse. Sorry no tips there.

I guess my standard advice would be to insist that you get a NTSC 29.97 (drop or non drop) and deliver the same specs back to the client - and that may well help simplify everything.....

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Hey John, in the stages i work in (for tv SD) and for mixdown/sweetening, I still get mostly drop and I always deliver accordingly.
However, recently i was out on remote and for some reason was in charge of jam syncing everyone...i was not completely familiar with HD or progressive sync rates and was scared stiff. I talk to older school (unfamiliar with all HD protocol) video engineers and they are still trying to run drop...newer equipment guys/manufacturers are saying non....any way, not much of a point, just wondering what was what or if you had an opinion, protocols are starting to get a bit wishy washy.
I never run 30 anywhere or know of anyone that does, unless they are have it set up that way in pro tools by default (not understanding FR) and never have to sync with video any way
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We have a number of rooms using Mojos. Maybe more expensive than canopus or others but if your bread and butter is video post it's a godsend. Makes video seamless in PT. Just hook up your video sync, in, and out. Create an Avid movie track in PT and record in video like an audio track. It also lets you do some rudimentary editing as well as have multiple movies on the timeline. The downside is that if a client gives you a quicktime to work with the mojo is a dead weight. Meaning you can't get it to display the quicktime on the TV connected to the Mojo. You'll be stuck working to a little window on your desktop unless you have a Final Cut rig to play it in and capture as regular video. Also it only captures in one resolution and in it's own Avid format so you can't really do anything with the video outside of the session. Other than that Mojo is cool. There is rumor of a fully HD video solution coming out for PT any time now.
i saw 7.2 at NAB and it was QUITE impressive in regards to multiple video layers!! and features
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Correct me if I'm wrong but.. don't you have to have the DV toolkit which is a grand to do post work with video?

I'm trieng to figure this out myself... my brother is working on a movie which is going to a big film festival and he loves my music so... I've been looking to get video from him and score scene by scene with it... can anyone set me straight on this? I thought I had to go spend 750 on DV1 or 1k on DV toolkit 2, THANKS!!!
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Hijacked!!!

Well my thread seems to have been somewhat hijacked, which is fine, but I'm still hoping to get an answer to my second question...


Is there, or do any of you know of, an ITB tool for converting .wmv to Quicktime?

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Anybody used Pt hardware with final cut? I have both but have not tried it.
I'm either in the music world with PT or straight Final cut, I guess I should try it sometime
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Well my thread seems to have been somewhat hijacked, which is fine, but I'm still hoping to get an answer to my second question...


Is there, or do any of you know of, an ITB tool for converting .wmv to Quicktime?

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Will iMovie do it?

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concerning the mojo ... is there a codec that you can convert exsisting quicktimes to so they will run on the mojo ... hopefully you can do that in apples compressor that comes with FCP 5 ...

Doug,

i worked a remote this weekend that had 3 HD 24P cinealta cameras in an airpack / one HD 24P camera loose but jam synced to 23.98 code / one 35mm camera seeing 2 slates ... one running 30 frames for the film tramsfer (client wanted to see film only with sound right away, not waiting to get into Avid) and one slate for 29.97 NDF / and audio remote rig running at 29.97 NDF ...

interesting weekend ... if i can be of any help in the future let me know

the ISA pre is working great .. thanks again ...

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Well my thread seems to have been somewhat hijacked, which is fine, but I'm still hoping to get an answer to my second question...


Is there, or do any of you know of, an ITB tool for converting .wmv to Quicktime?

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I know that Imovie or Quicktime pro will simply not even open or import .wmv I just tried to....
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