Thanks for posting these. I love the sound of the Wunder. Great reach and dimensionality, particularly since you're micing from 3 feet away. To my ears the other two are much less exciting by comparison. However, they all sound good and I could see how each could be preferable depending on the application. This makes me want to hear more from the Wunder.
i'd been hoping to have a chance to upload clips, but i'm not sure when i'll be able to. i did a little shootout with the cm67 and 2 vintage 67s, on 2 male vocalists and cello. they were all pretty stunning. when we were looking at which tracks were which, the consensus was that one of the 67's sounded a little more saturated than the other 67 and the Wunder, the other 67 was thinner than the other 2, and the Wunder had a hair more top. In a blind test, we couldn't tell them apart.
Thanks for uploading those. I'm on holiday at the moment, so laptop speakers only, but I look forward to listening again when I get home.
It sounds like the 67 has a different eq on it, as it is definitely bringing out different frequencies than the bottle. It sounds good, but I wonder if that curve sounds so good on other sources.
I'd be keen to hear any other sample files anyone has
i'd been hoping to have a chance to upload clips, but i'm not sure when i'll be able to. i did a little shootout with the cm67 and 2 vintage 67s, on 2 male vocalists and cello. they were all pretty stunning. when we were looking at which tracks were which, the consensus was that one of the 67's sounded a little more saturated than the other 67 and the Wunder, the other 67 was thinner than the other 2, and the Wunder had a hair more top. In a blind test, we couldn't tell them apart.
I've barely had time to use the Wunder, but here is a comparison between the Wunder, a Blue Bottle with a B-7 capsule and A DPA 4011TL. Some information on the tracks: No EQ or compression or normalizing. The Wunder and Bottle went into ElectroDyne 501s then into an Apogee AD16x to ProTools HD, the DPA was through a Chandler LTD-1 (no eq). I set the record levels from a tone to match as close as I could. The guitar was a Gibson Dove miced from about three feet back.
I did try it out on a female singer that I'm working with but won't post those tracks. Maybe next week I can post something else. But we did try the 67 against a Blue Bottle with a B-7 capsule, a Blue Bottle with a B-0 capsule, a Neumann M149 and a mic that Dave Royer made for me based on a u47. We ended up using the Bottle, B-7 set up. The Wunder sounded good, but wasn't as "Big" sounding on her.
To me, the Wunder is a great LDC, but like all mics no one mic will work for everything.
I really like the sound of the CM67 in this example. Thanks for posting.
Tried it as a mono overhead last night --was amazing! Smooth with some nice color and no harsh qualities. Loving this mic so far.
i had the same experience! sounds great. haven't gotten to use it on piano yet, but so far on male and female vocals, cello, mono drum overhead, and guitar cab i've been really happy with it.
i had the same experience! sounds great. haven't gotten to use it on piano yet, but so far on male and female vocals, cello, mono drum overhead, and guitar cab i've been really happy with it.
Yes! Looking forward to it on guitar cab, was very cool on acoustic guitar
I tried the CM67 on an amazing female vocalist recently but we ended up liking the Pearlman TM-1 a tad more. Both were great sounds though, purely a matter of what suited the music better. The CM67 was a tad bright above 10 kHz or so on her voice.
They've been working on a 67... back in May they told me it would be in production this summer/fall. We'll see...
hmmm but what about the patented shape of the 67/87 housing? Other companies lost cases already and nobody wants a 67 clone in a non 67 housing imho...
hmmm but what about the patented shape of the 67/87 housing? Other companies lost cases already and nobody wants a 67 clone in a non 67 housing imho...
Just wanted to add that the WUNDER CM 7 GT with M7 Capsule is ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL changed my vocals completely they retail for $3,500 but you may be able to get one cheaper. I use it with an AVEDIS MA5.
hmmm but what about the patented shape of the 67/87 housing?
The protection from a patent lasts 20 years (may be a bit more or less depending on countries). So no patent related to U 67 head could still be valid. But there may be other another legal way for Neumann preventing U 67/87 copies being commercialized.
hmmm but what about the patented shape of the 67/87 housing? Other companies lost cases already and nobody wants a 67 clone in a non 67 housing imho...
It's not a patent, as I understand it, but a registered design - this lasts a lot longer than a patent and, as far as I know, you will never be able to legally copy the shape of a U67 / U87 grille.
Just wanted to add that the WUNDER CM 7 GT with M7 Capsule is ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL changed my vocals completely they retail for $3,500 but you may be able to get one cheaper. I use it with an AVEDIS MA5.
This would be a copy M7, of course, as only Gefell can make the genuine, original, M7 - and they don't sell them to anyone else.
The protection might be the copyright for an artistic work, which lasts up to 70 years after the death of the author. The U 67 shape resulted from the collaboration of Neumann with the German designer Wilhelm Braun-Feldweg, who died in 1998.
I am no expert on this but as the 67 has the same housing as the 87 and the 87 is still in production (this should matter, right?), it should be under protection or am I missing something? The 67 was released in 1967 so if the protection ends 20 or 25 years later then why did Neumann win a case against mic maker "BMP" ( I think that was the name... ) and they also stopped the Rode NT2 from being sold in Germany for the same reason. That must have been in the early Nineties, after the 20-25 were already over. Confused.
The 67 was released in 1967 so if the protection ends 20 or 25 years later then why did Neumann win a case against mic maker "BMP" ( I think that was the name... ) and they also stopped the Rode NT2 from being sold in Germany for the same reason. That must have been in the early Nineties, after the 20-25 were already over. Confused.
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Originally Posted by didier.brest
The protection might be the copyright for an artistic work, which lasts up to 70 years after the death of the author. The U 67 shape resulted from the collaboration of Neumann with the German designer Wilhelm Braun-Feldweg, who died in 1998.
The CM67 can be tweaked rather easily for brightness de-emphasis. It all has to do with the capacitor value in the transformers tertiary winding circuit. The lower the value, the less bright the capsule will be.
We have seven original U67's on hand that all sound, not slightly, but profoundly different. Some of the earlier Polydor London U67's we have (serial number below 40) were darker. We modeled the sound from a dead mint mid-1960's U67 we have.
But there is a lot of range that we can apply as far as the brightness de-emphasis goes. The adjustment in the CM67 is the way it was done in the original U67's. We can also mod any CM67 with a VARIALBE cap that adjusts with a small screwdriver, there is already a spot in the PCB for it. We don't put them in the normal production run CM67s because we fear that people may turn it without knowing what it does. Because as the mic ages say 10 -20 years someone's bound to tweak with it.
Next to this variable capacitor space is the fixed value cap that comes normally installed in the CM67. One simple way to make it less bright if to just swap this cap for a lower value like 47 pF.
The CM67 can be tweaked rather easily for brightness de-emphasis. It all has to do with the capacitor value in the transformers tertiary winding circuit. The lower the value, the less bright the capsule will be.
We have seven original U67's on hand that all sound, not slightly, but profoundly different. Some of the earlier Polydor London U67's we have (serial number below 40) were darker. We modeled the sound from a dead mint mid-1960's U67 we have.
But there is a lot of range that we can apply as far as the brightness de-emphasis goes. The adjustment in the CM67 is the way it was done in the original U67's. We can also mod any CM67 with a VARIALBE cap that adjusts with a small screwdriver, there is already a spot in the PCB for it. We don't put them in the normal production run CM67s because we fear that people may turn it without knowing what it does. Because as the mic ages say 10 -20 years someone's bound to tweak with it.
Next to this variable capacitor space is the fixed value cap that comes normally installed in the CM67. One simple way to make it less bright if to just swap this cap for a lower value like 47 pF.
great info and nice to know you guys thought ahead on this
Heysa, I have the Wunder 67 and i gotta say it SOUNDS LIKE A 67. If you want that sound then this is the mic for you... i've bought allot of gear in my day... and for the price this is hands down the best purchase i have made in a long long time... it's not too bright... its freaking perfect... and let me say again... it's REALLY not that bright at all... it's very musical... and probably the best "CLONE" out there... beats the wunder 47 as far as i'm concerned (which is awesome but this sounds more like a vintage 67 then the wunder 47 sounds like a vintage 47 to me, its dead on). love this mutha. Here's a song i recored with it
Heysa, I have the Wunder 67 and i gotta say it SOUNDS LIKE A 67. If you want that sound then this is the mic for you... i've bought allot of gear in my day... and for the price this is hands down the best purchase i have made in a long long time... it's not too bright... its freaking perfect... and let me say again... it's REALLY not that bright at all... it's very musical... and probably the best "CLONE" out there... beats the wunder 47 as far as i'm concerned (which is awesome but this sounds more like a vintage 67 then the wunder 47 sounds like a vintage 47 to me, its dead on). love this mutha. Here's a song i recored with it
granted this is "mixed" with eq and whatnot... but everything was recorded with the wunder. peaceout.
Cool Rabe. This was recorded entirely with the wunder cm7gt... Good place to compare the two even if the circumstances are totally different
Yes I do mean everything. Nothing DI here. Sampled sounds were all live sampled for the song from real instruments. This is from when I was off work for almost a year and had all the time in the world to "art out". Ok, one thing was not from the wunder. The backing vocals way in the distance use a green bullet through an amp, but that's it.
Heysa, I have the Wunder 67 and i gotta say it SOUNDS LIKE A 67. If you want that sound then this is the mic for you... i've bought allot of gear in my day... and for the price this is hands down the best purchase i have made in a long long time... it's not too bright... its freaking perfect... and let me say again... it's REALLY not that bright at all... it's very musical... and probably the best "CLONE" out there... beats the wunder 47 as far as i'm concerned (which is awesome but this sounds more like a vintage 67 then the wunder 47 sounds like a vintage 47 to me, its dead on). love this mutha. Here's a song i recored with it
Cool Rabe. This was recorded entirely with the wunder cm7gt... Good place to compare the two even if the circumstances are totally different
Yes I do mean everything. Nothing DI here. Sampled sounds were all live sampled for the song from real instruments. This is from when I was off work for almost a year and had all the time in the world to "art out". Ok, one thing was not from the wunder. The backing vocals way in the distance use a green bullet through an amp, but that's it.
Russell
not a reflection on you or your music, but the CM7gt always has this peaky thing going on to me. I eventually sold it due to that... can pick it out in a line up... I didn't think it was a very good representation of a u47.
I eventually sold it due to that... can pick it out in a line up... I didn't think it was a very good representation of a u47.
How's the resale value of Wunder microphones? Do they hold their value or depreciate more than others (eg Flea, Telefunken, Pearlman, Lawson, Korby, Bock etc).
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