Tyler Acoustics Linbrooks...

[Sqye]

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OK, this is a quick RAVE about the Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Speakers.

After years of testing every pair of studio monitors I could get my hands on,
we finished the set up and placement of our Linkwitz Orions, as you guys know. They are phenomenal.

Then, after working on these bigger dipole speakers for a while, I was really missing the near field experience for both production and mixing.

So, as you guys may also remember, we ordered a pair of Tyler Acoustics Linbrook speakers.

As I said before, we loved the detail in the SEAS tweeters, and we wanted a near field monitor with the same glorious detail.

After working on the Linbrooks now for some time, I have to say, these speakers are really kickass. I'm just LOVING them.

So we may end up doing a 5.1 setup with the Linbrooks, after some more testing.


Thanks a million for all your assistance here with regard to the Orion placement and room treatment - y'all ROCK!!

Sigfried Linkwitz was also an AMAZING help setting the Orions up properly in my room.

My production and mixing setup has never sounded better!


Here's a messy shot while we're still in testing process...

Cheers, slutz.


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[Sqye]

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More speaker pix...

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[Sqye]

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Just ordered two more of the Linbrooks.

One will likely be a center in our 5.1 setup.

The next pair will go to the sides/rear.

And we'll be getting a third Emotiva XPA-5 surround power amp.

So the Linkwitz Orions will go back to midfield L+R. They're potentially a bit too wide now.

Needless to say, the 824s are history (probably living room surround now).

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[aaeronn]

Are those sealed or rear ported? I assume they are sealed, but there is no info either way on their web page.

I'm looking to upgrade from Event ASP8s and would like to go sealed this time around - looking at the KH0300 as well.

[Sqye]

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They are rear ported - a wonderful low end.

And yes, I really like the 0300s, as well.

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[jahndhi]

I have the same Tyler's in a listening room / theatre -- they're fantastic...

it just dawned on me that I should try them in my studio --

will report back...

any ideas for amplification in a 12 x 19 room?

I think they handle 25-200 watts at 8 ohms

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by jahndhi

I have the same Tyler's in a listening room / theatre -- they're fantastic...

it just dawned on me that I should try them in my studio --

will report back...

any ideas for amplification in a 12 x 19 room?

I think they handle 25-200 watts at 8 ohms

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Well, I'm powering these guys with Emotiva amps - which are fantastic. (We're installing a UMC-1 pre for home surround, as well).

Currently, using the XPA-5's to power the Linbrooks and Linkwitz Orions.

And yes, I'm loving these speakers in the studio. Love, love, love. We just bought our 5th Linbrook for the 5.1 center speaker.

Along with a third XPA-5.


Let us know how it works out, man! I have a feeling you'll be PSYCHED!!

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[jahndhi]

Originally Posted by Sqye

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Well, I'm powering these guys with Emotiva amps - which are fantastic. (We're installing a UMC-1 pre for home surround, as well).

Currently, using the XPA-5's to power the Linbrooks and Linkwitz Orions.

And yes, I'm loving these speakers in the studio. Love, love, love. We just bought our 5th Linbrook for the 5.1 center speaker.

Along with a third XPA-5.


Let us know how it works out, man! I have a feeling you'll be PSYCHED!!

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I'm picking up a Hafler P3000 this week, hopefully that will do them justice -
will post on experience soon!

[Sqye]

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Very cool, man - keep us posted!

My 5th Linbrook arrived today - for the center channel.

Custom subs arrived yesterday

Have to cable them up.

The studio is filling up with stereo dipole Orions, 5 channels of Linbrooks, 4 custom subs and 3 Emotivas.

It's gonna be a sick setup.



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[jahndhi]

Originally Posted by Sqye

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Very cool, man - keep us posted!

My 5th Linbrook arrived today - for the center channel.

Custom subs arrived yesterday

Have to cable them up.

The studio is filling up with stereo dipole Orions, 5 channels of Linbrooks, 4 custom subs and 3 Emotivas.

It's gonna be a sick setup.



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Got them set up with a Hafler P3000... they sound entirely different than they did with a Nakamichi amp (in a different room). I mean, the characteristic sound has changed -- bottom ok... midrange sort of boxy sounding..
I'm thinking it must be the amp... hmm... I'm in a well treated room too... can't be the Linbrooks... could it partially be a proximity thing - sitting only 5 feet away...will swap out the amp & post soon.

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by jahndhi

Got them set up with a Hafler P3000... they sound entirely different than they did with a Nakamichi amp (in a different room). I mean, the characteristic sound has changed -- bottom ok... midrange sort of boxy sounding..
I'm thinking it must be the amp... hmm... I'm in a well treated room too... can't be the Linbrooks... could it partially be a proximity thing - sitting only 5 feet away...will swap out the amp & post soon.

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Could be the orientation in the room, and I don't know what kind of treatment you have.

You might want to check these.

Not sure about the amp.

Let us know!

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[jahndhi]

Originally Posted by Sqye

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Could be the orientation in the room, and I don't know what kind of treatment you have.

You might want to check these.

Not sure about the amp.

Let us know!

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Before swapping out the amp, I put some high quality speaker cabling in,
then played around with placement... Huge improvement. Sounds right again.
Going to mix a tune this weekend and see how they translate.

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by jahndhi

Before swapping out the amp, I put some high quality speaker cabling in,
then played around with placement... Huge improvement. Sounds right again.
Going to mix a tune this weekend and see how they translate.

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Awesome. Yes, placement is king!

I still haven't hooked up all 5 Linbrooks with my 3rd Emotiva XPA-5.

But I'm looking forward to it.

Good luck on the mix, man. I'm psyched to hear your feedback!

If you feel like posting a clip, that would be awesome!

Cheers, man.

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[jahndhi]

Originally Posted by Sqye

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Awesome. Yes, placement is king!

I still haven't hooked up all 5 Linbrooks with my 3rd Emotiva XPA-5.

But I'm looking forward to it.

Good luck on the mix, man. I'm psyched to hear your feedback!

If you feel like posting a clip, that would be awesome!

Cheers, man.

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Thanks Sqye ~
I should mention that the speaker cables were a thinnish 20' length with generic banana (not unlike my own , more for live use.
The new cable is 5' and beefy, with high quality connectors.
Not sure what the brand is - something I had from audiophile days.

I dunno, these appear to be kicking Focal Twin's ass!
edit: tighter, deeper bottom end, warmer across the mids and highs,
but still articulate and open - might be fooled by the Linbrook's pleasing sound,
only mixing will tell.

edit 2:OK, I might be a little excited - the Focals are great speakers in their own right.
Just liking these more overall

will post something eventually - still tracking my record.

Would love to try a Bryston 4B or other high end amp.
Are you bi-amping your Linbrooks?

[jahndhi]

Originally Posted by Sqye

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Awesome. Yes, placement is king!

I still haven't hooked up all 5 Linbrooks with my 3rd Emotiva XPA-5.

But I'm looking forward to it.

Good luck on the mix, man. I'm psyched to hear your feedback!

If you feel like posting a clip, that would be awesome!

Cheers, man.

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re: biamping - got an email from Tyler himself, and he said "You could biamp, but since it's a 2 way it would probably be a waste to dedicate an amp on the tweeters...(paraphrasing) – but feel free to experiment."

[Sqye]

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Sounds awesome, man.

And yes, I expect the Linbrooks would TOTALLY destroy any Focals I've heard.
They're not even close to the same league - especially, if you're using good amplifiers.
But the difference in the tweeter technology alone is really not fair.

And no, I'm not bi-amping. I'm feeding directly out of my RME UFX main outs.

For my main Mid/Far field monitors, I'm using two serial Linkwitz crossovers -
first the Thor X-over, which splits out to my closed box subs,
then the Orion x-over for 3-way to the Orion open speaker frames:
Per side (L/R): front tweeter, rear tweeter, midrange, (2) dipole woofers

Again, I'll be psyched to hear how your mix efforts turn out!

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[Sqye]

Originally Posted by jahndhi

re: biamping - got an email from Tyler himself, and he said "You could biamp, but since it's a 2 way it would probably be a waste to dedicate an amp on the tweeters...(paraphrasing) – but feel free to experiment."

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Yeah, I hear him.

Tyler's a nice guy, and very helpful, indeed.

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[Sqye]

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I guess I shouldn't be so hard on the Focals.

I should do more critical listening and mixing on them before I shoot my mouth off.

When I last heard the Focal Twins, they sounded very good to me.

I just didn't hear the same over all frequency spectrum balance, as I hear in the Linbrooks.

But again, I should A/B the Focals and Linbrooks - which I have not done.

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[jahndhi]

Originally Posted by Sqye

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Sounds awesome, man.

And yes, I expect the Linbrooks would TOTALLY destroy any Focals I've heard.
They're not even close to the same league - especially, if you're using good amplifiers.
But the difference in the tweeter technology alone is really not fair.

And no, I'm not bi-amping. I'm feeding directly out of my RME UFX main outs.

For my main Mid/Far field monitors, I'm using two serial Linkwitz crossovers -
first the Thor X-over, which splits out to my closed box subs,
then the Orion x-over for 3-way to the Orion cabinets:
Per side (L/R): front tweeter, rear tweeter, midrange, (2) dipole woofers

Again, I'll be psyched to hear how your mix efforts turn out!

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I've been extensively A/B-ing the Linbrook & Focals -
(Apogee Symphony I/O / DBox here)
Using a decibel meter so I'm not fooled by volume

Linbrooks should do the trick.
I'm am thinking of adding a smaller 2nd reference pair in the near future...
nothing quite all all inclusive as your setup

– thanks for turning the Linbrook lightbulb on for me

Curious, have you ever seen a freq. response graph for the Linbrooks?

[Sqye]

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Hey, I'm so glad you're having success so far with your Linbrooks.

And I'm not surprised at all.

Regarding frequency specs, no I've not seen charts.

I'd already built (and was happily using) the Linkwitz Orions, and was thrilled with the SEAS drivers,
and I was curious about a closed box near field configuration of these tweeter and midrange drivers -
you know, just something to give me that tight long familiar traditional close triangle near field mixing experience.

So, it was a no brainer. The detail in the SEAS tweeter is just silly.

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[jahndhi]

Originally Posted by Sqye

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I guess I shouldn't be so hard on the Focals.

I should do more critical listening and mixing on them before I shoot my mouth off.

When I last heard the Focal Twins, they sounded very good to me.

I just didn't hear the same over all frequency spectrum balance, as I hear in the Linbrooks.

But again, I should A/B the Focals and Linbrooks - which I have not done.

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well said Sqye - it does take a bit of work to put speakers through their paces - in fairness to the twins, the midrange area is more 'forward',
which is probably a good thing for mixing, but it's a mixed blessing: you're getting detail, but it's on the harsh side compared to the Linbrooks.

hope that subjective rambling makes sense

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by jahndhi

well said Sqye - it does take a bit of work to put speakers through their paces - in fairness to the twins, the midrange area is more 'forward',
which is probably a good thing for mixing, but it's a mixed blessing: you're getting detail, but it's on the harsh side compared to the Linbrooks.

hope that subjective rambling makes sense

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It actually does make sense. This was my impression of the Focals versus the Linbrooks, as well.

That said, for the Orions in my room, I had to roll off just a TINY bit of the tweeter (at my Orion crossover) to get that SEAS tweeter to sit perfectly.

Does the Twin give you any independent driver level control?

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