Shadow Hills Compressor

Drumghoul · 27th April 2006, 06:12 AM

Two days until I purchase a Shadow Hills Compressor. Tell me why I shouldn't buy it!

True North · 27th April 2006, 06:20 AM

Well....... one logical answer might be because no one on this planet has heard it yet!!

oh, and unless I missed the posting on this site, I don't think anyone has had theirs delivered yet (even after prepaying for the unit months ago).

BUT, all that being said, how could something so cool looking not sound great

AdamJay · 27th April 2006, 06:31 AM

two days until you pay for it...

but two Weeks? Months? Years? until you receive it?
well your guess is as good as mine.

Drumghoul · 27th April 2006, 07:01 AM

Lindsay said it would be ready to rock, and I'll wait another month if I have too, then I can buy more gear! I ordered it two months ago. Mike said it was on the money! Do you think he would put his good name on the line for crappy hardware?

darkwater · 27th April 2006, 07:59 AM

Well, I ordered mine back in October. I'm sure it will sound fantastic. Peter's stuff is top notch. I have the GAMA8 and it is a fantastic sounding piece of gear.

All I can say is, don't hold your breath. If you throw down for this now, don't expect to have anytime soon, no matter WHAT Lindsay says.

Trust me. It will be brilliant, but don't expect this to just ship right out like a ...a ....737, or something. He's still settling the design.

RoundBadge · 27th April 2006, 09:00 AM

No..Don't hold your breath

I started some serious compressor shopping in June of '05 and ever since I first heard about it and saw the initial CAD rendering,
I was blown away by the concept and design..but i'm not sure I was prepared to wait 10 months to even hear the thing

All's I know is the initial design has changed quite a bit since then..for the better I'm
absolutely sure.
From my discussions with Pete,It's a very ambitious,complex unit.

But we're all still very patiently waiting

..
I've been real close to bailing out a couple times ,but I think it will be worth the wait.

But unfortuneatly,Even if you ordered one today or even two month's ago...
he still has to build and ship all the units that have been on order since October's 05' AES[6 plus months ago]
So yes ...despite what Lindsay tells you,just be prepared to wait.

Drumghoul · 28th April 2006, 03:59 AM

Wow. First it was the Crane Song Egret, now this. I guess they do like car companies when they engineer stuff. Seemingly, great wine takes time , or at least that's what my Mom used to say!

Audio companies seem to develop a concept, then the prototype, then hopefully generate substantial interest in the project, and if feedback and intrerest are ample enough, they develop and manufacture the product.

You know the SHC inspires me visually, and I want to use it on a project right now while I have the feeling, but I guess I will have to wait. I was thinking about a couple of distressors at first, but when I saw what it looked like and all it was supposed to do, and I was sold on it immediately. I have talked to a few people that have heard it, and I trust their judgement, but they work for the company!

Good things come to those who wait I guess, but there is nothing worse than a customer who is expecting something, and it's not delivered on time. Well.... patience is a virtue. What's a slut to do?

84K · 28th April 2006, 04:30 AM

The only reason not to buy it is because God only knows when it will ship. PIF for 7 months.

RoundBadge · 28th April 2006, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drumghoul

.... and I want to use it on a project right now while I have the feeling, but I guess I will have to wait.Good things come to those who wait I guess, but there is nothing worse than a customer who is expecting something, and it's not delivered on time. Well.... patience is a virtue. What's a slut to do?

Preachin' to the choir my friend

I've had about 10 projects since last summer I wanted to use it on!

It's really forced me to take a good hard look at the current state of the "Boutique" market,
Lots of hype,lots of waiting...Lots of false promises.
and sometimes after the wait, BIG dissapointment..
or in many cases,you're a guinea pig for a product that was never ready for release .

...Believe me, I've been there, in the WORST possible way

..Or in the opposite case like the Distressor..it comes out ,works great,and becomes an instant classic

Guy's like Dave Derr or Geoff Daking ,,really do their homework and keep the hype to a minimum. and it shows in the various products upon their release'

I have no doubts about the Shadow Hills stuff..
It's just that the AES hype kinda created a monster of an expectation for the products too early.

I don't envy these guys at all,It's a tough business .

I'm really getting back into my old[vintage] gear latety

at least I know the designs[Pultec,Urei,Neve,Neumann..etc] have proven themselves over many, many years ..
it works well and I know what to expect if it indeed fails..not many surprises.

Tetness · 28th April 2006, 05:37 AM

3 weeks.

RoundBadge · 28th April 2006, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tetness

3 weeks.

lucey · 28th April 2006, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

I have no doubts about the Shadow Hills stuff..
It's just that the AES hype kinda created a monster of an expectation for the products too early.

I don't envy these guys at all,It's a tough business .

I suggested last summer to Peter that SH not roll out so much as AES last fall, but he's a visionary - not a practical man. He was excited to share, and was not thinking in terms of what might happen. And it has happened as I feared. Excitement, orders, changes, evolution of design, new company expansion beyond expectations or possibility to deliver. And for now something is lost.

Yet the "hype" is not his doing, it's all of us ... SH shouldn't be blamed. He wanted to show off the whole collection, and did so, while many of them were still in process. Everyone knew they were in process, so there we are. Redevelopment takes time ... lots of it.

In his defense, he has one shot to make a 'final' and as any artist knows, it's hard to let a thing go and say it's done ... but if there's talent involved - and vision ... it's always worth the wait for the listener, viewer, user.

ATR Service has been a month away from delivering tape for about the same amount of time as SH but few call it hype. There was no AES roll out, and there is not such a market for tape as for a badass optical/VCA compressor with 3 tranny options.

I dont want one yet enough to pay up ... but I want to hear it ... and then who knows! If you have the $ sitting around I'd go for it, you can always sell it ... but I doubt you'll want to. Peter is new to making gear, but not new to using it and knowing what's good. He's got ears and style, it's going to rock.

RoundBadge · 28th April 2006, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucey

Yet the "hype" is not his doing, it's all of us ... SH shouldn't be blamed. He wanted to show off the whole collection, and did so, while many of them were still in process. Everyone knew they were in process, so there we are. Redevelopment takes time ... lots of it.

100% agreed

Vari-Mu · 28th April 2006, 10:05 AM

I agree with most of what you say Brian, but I also think that it's unfair of manufacturers to demand prepayment so far in advance without being willing to commit to a delivery date that is set in stone....and by following this practice they are making a rod for their own backs.

Let's face it, customers would be a lot more relaxed about this sort of thing were it not for the fact that in many cases they've already stumped up in full.

IMO it would be more reasonable for manufacturers to take say 10% as a deposit until/unless they're in a position to be able to name a firm delivery date.

Cheers,

Vari-Mu

Lynn Fuston · 28th April 2006, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vari-Mu

I agree with most of what you say Brian, but I also think that it's unfair of manufacturers to demand prepayment so far in advance without being willing to commit to a delivery date that is set in stone.

They often need your prepayment as resource capital to finish the design and get it into production. Then it becomes less a matter of how good a designer they are, but how good a business man (woman) and juggler they are.

lucey · 28th April 2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vari-Mu

I agree with most of what you say Brian, but I also think that it's unfair of manufacturers to demand prepayment so far in advance without being willing to commit to a delivery date that is set in stone....and by following this practice they are making a rod for their own backs.

Let's face it, customers would be a lot more relaxed about this sort of thing were it not for the fact that in many cases they've already stumped up in full.

IMO it would be more reasonable for manufacturers to take say 10% as a deposit until/unless they're in a position to be able to name a firm delivery date.

I agree with you that 10-50% makes more sense. Yet people paid, and ultimately I think most people will be thrilled. Again, I waited 4 years for an electric gtr. that was supposed to be 9 months, and paid in full ... and 8 years for my lovely wife to come around, and we're peaches and cream ... so I can attest that good things come to those ...

And in this case I believe (and have zero fact) that Vintage King made the rules, and that Peter has never been strapped for money. Peter has always told me he wants nothing to do with the business side ... he's a designer, period. His thing is "I only have one chance to make it perfect" and his mind has been working faster than the worldly side could keep up with.

Tetness · 27th May 2006, 12:07 AM

I heard it last night. It's amazing. And absolutely beautiful in person. Yes, it sounds as good as it looks.

transfiguration · 27th May 2006, 12:57 AM

frikkin' sweet

darkwater · 27th May 2006, 01:20 AM

Thanks, Tetness. Now I can start doing this..

Tetness · 27th May 2006, 08:34 AM

For those of you in the LA area, Peter and I are planning something very fun. Stay tuned.

Tetness

84K · 27th May 2006, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetness

I heard it last night. It's uterly amazing. And absolutely beautiful in person. Yes, it sounds as good as it looks.

At the rate Peter is going, I hope I can still hear above 8k and walk without a cane by the time it finally arrives.

Tetness · 27th May 2006, 08:48 AM

I can barely hear above 8k as it is.

Blame that on my Marshall JTM45.

raal · 27th May 2006, 08:55 AM

gawdangit! the barefoot guy talking about SH comp!!!! must......... sleep now... too much slutiness...... in the brain all at once.... can't......... can't..........

want SH comp, atomic squeeegieboard, barefoots.... shITE!!!!!!!

Tetness · 27th May 2006, 08:57 AM

84K · 27th May 2006, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetness

I can barely hear above 8k as it is.

Blame that on my Marshall JTM45.

Cheers! I just spent the night with a les paul split out to a 1968 50w Plexi (into a THD 2X12), a Bogner Ecstasy 101b (Full Stack) and an AC30.

My ears are ringing. What? Did someone just say something?

cuby · 27th May 2006, 10:25 AM

If you leave CC as deposite on pre-order, can't you just call the CC issuing bank and cancel that transaction? If enough people cancel their pre order, SH may seriously talk about when it will ship.

pigpen · 27th May 2006, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drumghoul

Lindsay said it would be ready to rock, and I'll wait another month if I have too, then I can buy more gear! I ordered it two months ago. Mike said it was on the money! Do you think he would put his good name on the line for crappy hardware?

I am more than positive it will not be crappy hardware....I am also more than positive that your timeline will be off as well....last Septemeber Mike told me 2 weeks on the Deluxe......uhhhhhhh......

84K · 27th May 2006, 08:23 PM

Mike is the man. The Shadow Hills better be amazing considering the amount of time they are spending "fine tuning" it. It is not holding me up, so I am fine waiting. But man, it has been sooooo long. Between the timeframe and the false delivery adtes, that is where my problem lies.

RoundBadge · 27th May 2006, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetness

For those of you in the LA area, Peter and I are planning something very fun. Stay tuned.

Tetness

w2w · 27th May 2006, 09:24 PM

Quote:

For those of you in the LA area, Peter and I are planning something very fun. Stay tuned.

What might this be?........How about......DELIVERING THE DAMN COMPRESSOR!!

(Just kidding!!)

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27th April 2006, 06:12 AM	#1
Drumghoul Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orion Posts: 7	Shadow Hills Compressor Two days until I purchase a Shadow Hills Compressor. Tell me why I shouldn't buy it!

27th April 2006, 06:20 AM	#2
True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,333	Well....... one logical answer might be because no one on this planet has heard it yet!! oh, and unless I missed the posting on this site, I don't think anyone has had theirs delivered yet (even after prepaying for the unit months ago). BUT, all that being said, how could something so cool looking not sound great __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

27th April 2006, 07:01 AM	#4
Drumghoul Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orion Posts: 7	Hey..... They told me it would be finished! Lindsay said it would be ready to rock, and I'll wait another month if I have too, then I can buy more gear! I ordered it two months ago. Mike said it was on the money! Do you think he would put his good name on the line for crappy hardware?

27th April 2006, 07:59 AM	#5
darkwater Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 1,037	don't hold your breath Well, I ordered mine back in October. I'm sure it will sound fantastic. Peter's stuff is top notch. I have the GAMA8 and it is a fantastic sounding piece of gear. All I can say is, don't hold your breath. If you throw down for this now, don't expect to have anytime soon, no matter WHAT Lindsay says. Trust me. It will be brilliant, but don't expect this to just ship right out like a ...a ....737, or something. He's still settling the design. __________________ "Hell, you're easily amused... I can say wimpy....wompy....wambly...."

27th April 2006, 06:31 AM	#3
AdamJay Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,368	two days until you pay for it... but two Weeks? Months? Years? until you receive it? well your guess is as good as mine.

27th April 2006, 09:00 AM	#6
RoundBadge Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca. Posts: 5,560	No..Don't hold your breath I started some serious compressor shopping in June of '05 and ever since I first heard about it and saw the initial CAD rendering, I was blown away by the concept and design..but i'm not sure I was prepared to wait 10 months to even hear the thing All's I know is the initial design has changed quite a bit since then..for the better I'm absolutely sure. From my discussions with Pete,It's a very ambitious,complex unit. But we're all still very patiently waiting .. I've been real close to bailing out a couple times ,but I think it will be worth the wait. But unfortuneatly,Even if you ordered one today or even two month's ago... he still has to build and ship all the units that have been on order since October's 05' AES[6 plus months ago] So yes ...despite what Lindsay tells you,just be prepared to wait.

28th April 2006, 03:59 AM	#7
Drumghoul Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orion Posts: 7	I hope you're not correct:-( Wow. First it was the Crane Song Egret, now this. I guess they do like car companies when they engineer stuff. Seemingly, great wine takes time , or at least that's what my Mom used to say! Audio companies seem to develop a concept, then the prototype, then hopefully generate substantial interest in the project, and if feedback and intrerest are ample enough, they develop and manufacture the product. You know the SHC inspires me visually, and I want to use it on a project right now while I have the feeling, but I guess I will have to wait. I was thinking about a couple of distressors at first, but when I saw what it looked like and all it was supposed to do, and I was sold on it immediately. I have talked to a few people that have heard it, and I trust their judgement, but they work for the company! Good things come to those who wait I guess, but there is nothing worse than a customer who is expecting something, and it's not delivered on time. Well.... patience is a virtue. What's a slut to do?

28th April 2006, 04:30 AM	#8
84K Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: right coast Posts: 3,728	The only reason not to buy it is because God only knows when it will ship. PIF for 7 months.

28th April 2006, 05:37 AM	#10
Tetness Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 1,318	3 weeks. __________________ Barefoot Recording Monitors

28th April 2006, 10:05 AM	#14
Vari-Mu Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 252	I agree with most of what you say Brian, but I also think that it's unfair of manufacturers to demand prepayment so far in advance without being willing to commit to a delivery date that is set in stone....and by following this practice they are making a rod for their own backs. Let's face it, customers would be a lot more relaxed about this sort of thing were it not for the fact that in many cases they've already stumped up in full. IMO it would be more reasonable for manufacturers to take say 10% as a deposit until/unless they're in a position to be able to name a firm delivery date. Cheers, Vari-Mu

27th May 2006, 12:07 AM	#17
Tetness Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 1,318	I heard it last night. It's amazing. And absolutely beautiful in person. Yes, it sounds as good as it looks. __________________ Barefoot Recording Monitors

27th May 2006, 12:57 AM	#18
transfiguration Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 243	frikkin' sweet

27th May 2006, 01:20 AM	#19
darkwater Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 1,037	Thanks, Tetness. Now I can start doing this.. __________________ "Hell, you're easily amused... I can say wimpy....wompy....wambly...."

27th May 2006, 08:34 AM	#20
Tetness Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 1,318	For those of you in the LA area, Peter and I are planning something very fun. Stay tuned. Tetness __________________ Barefoot Recording Monitors

27th May 2006, 08:48 AM	#22
Tetness Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 1,318	I can barely hear above 8k as it is. Blame that on my Marshall JTM45. __________________ Barefoot Recording Monitors

27th May 2006, 08:55 AM	#23
raal Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mexico Posts: 3,414	gawdangit! the barefoot guy talking about SH comp!!!! must......... sleep now... too much slutiness...... in the brain all at once.... can't......... can't.......... want SH comp, atomic squeeegieboard, barefoots.... shITE!!!!!!!

27th May 2006, 08:57 AM	#24
Tetness Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 1,318	LOL __________________ Barefoot Recording Monitors

27th May 2006, 10:25 AM	#26
cuby Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LA Posts: 82	If you leave CC as deposite on pre-order, can't you just call the CC issuing bank and cancel that transaction? If enough people cancel their pre order, SH may seriously talk about when it will ship.

27th May 2006, 08:23 PM	#28
84K Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: right coast Posts: 3,728	Mike is the man. The Shadow Hills better be amazing considering the amount of time they are spending "fine tuning" it. It is not holding me up, so I am fine waiting. But man, it has been sooooo long. Between the timeframe and the false delivery adtes, that is where my problem lies.

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