Pictures Of Mic'ed Up Drum Kits In The Studio

[TML]

barforama-
I dig your setup. Are you panning the overs or leaving them mono as you would a 3 mic setup. Thanks
Tim

[BrianK]

I tried out the classic theory;

-get a great room (Abbey Road Studio Two),
- a great drummer (!),
- and a great mic and you'll GET a great drum sound.

Somehow, it didn't work at all....

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[RichT]

BrianK,

Yeah guess the sound was a little thin? Toms sounded a bit boxy maybe?

[barforama]

Originally posted by TML
barforama-
I dig your setup. Are you panning the overs or leaving them mono as you would a 3 mic setup. Thanks
Tim

I am panning the KM184's and just using the KM84 for a tad extra when needed. The ambience will usually get a MAJOR squeeze with a RNC serial through both channels 8-10dB GR on each channel to get the "roar" in the toms...sometimes i use a MC76 but most often the RNC rocks in this application! Rock'n'roll

[dim light]

They call me the liquid drummer...

1998 was a good year for me. I won a big recording contest here in Sweden.

Here is a taste of my sound. Dedicated to all drummers over the world!!!

******//www.evileyedcherry.com/musik/pussmunnen.mp3

[Remoteness]

Here's a shot of Danny Gottlieb behind a Pearl drumset during a Jazz DVD / TV shoot uptown at Metropolis Studios back in the late 90s.

[Remoteness]

Here's a set up which I only used three mics. The kit was set up at Time Square Studios for the New Year's Eve 1999 TV broadcast.

[quasimodonyc]

OH-KM184 - DemeterTubePre - 1178
Kick-Senn e602, Subkick - API Pres
Snare-SM57's - API Pres - Distressor, API EQ
Toms-421's - Board Pre&EQ (D&R)
Mono Room (not pictured) - U47fet - Dan Alexander Pre - Distressor

[NathanEldred]

Originally posted by chrisso

Anyone seen or heard the Josephson E22s (side address condensors)?
They were designed in conjunction with Steve Albini and look quite strange.

They are a drummers dream. I could do a whole kit with those and be ecstatic.

Now if David comes out with a tube modular body....

[cjogo]

[IMG]******//www.redshift.com/~cjogo/ebay/drum_pad.jpg[/IMG]

24 pads--MIDI to 16 direct outputs from dual Kurzweils---... 24 tracks of Roland Comp/Eq (VS 2480)---4 TC effects for verb/gates,etc-- SEK'D 2496 A/D ---Manley limiters --DEQ 2496 --Masterlink--- Live or Studio

[Bobalou]

and it still sounds FAKE!....


how many times in this thread are you gonna try to run that kat idea?

i heard the sound samples you posted quite a few pages back and with all due respect, it was way to "drum machiney' IMO. kicks and maybe snares are electronically reproduced under the right circumstances, but cymbals, toms, and especially hats just dont have it!

I played the latest greatest Vdrum technology and though it has improved greatly over the years, its still way too fake. its just too perfect sounding and the feel is suspect as always. the kat is even less convincing. standing there beating those hard pads takes me back to my old Simmons days!...I dont want to go back there.


hey, whatever works for ya right?

[cjogo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bobalou
[B]and it still sounds FAKE!....

, but cymbals, and especially hats just dont have it!

(they are all placed on seperate tracks ** played with the velocity keys on the Kurzweils--multi layering the crashes, rides so they are more natural ,exc.)


. its just too perfect sounding and the feel is suspect as always.

(Exactly what our clients love about them..especially returning clients!)

hey, whatever works for ya right?

( What ever works for our clients--they are paying --great to track live with acoustic instruments in the same room + always suspect to the exact sample = we can call up the precise sound we had a year ago for a returning client + fast editing ~~~ quick live set-up on stage and complete control of volume!! the RULE OF THUMB I have learned in the last 40 years {The quieter you play the more you are paid } >>>>>>> Started playing my first Ludwig shells in '63 --last trap set on stage was KENTs in '77 ^^^ Marshall TUcker & Jimmy Buffet) /QUOTE]

[Simon Lomax]

Has anyone else tried the clavia ddrums?

I use them for some stuff and for the most part the drum samples are great. But as always it's the cymbals that aren't quite there! grudge

whenever it's serious recording I have to use an acoustic kit - it just sounds real!



Simon

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[IMG]******//www.evileyedcherry.com/bild/thedrum.jpg[/IMG]

thumbsup

[cjogo]

Originally posted by Simon Lomax
Has anyone else tried the clavia ddrums?

I use them for some stuff and for the most part the drum samples are great. But as always it's the cymbals that aren't quite there! grudge

whenever it's serious recording I have to use an acoustic kit - it just sounds real!



Simon

You really have to have experience with adding cymbals later... on a ultra sensitive keyboard...there is a skill in layering the different blended-sampled crashes ==== with accent builds/velocity/ etc...........we track with the cymbals performed on the pads,,,and since the cymbals (ride- crash- hat) are all on seperate tracks of the sequencer and the board they are tracked with--easy to edit. Each track has individual EQ/COMP/EFFECTS & automation in combination with the Kurzweil parameters and the 24 channel board. Just like individual mics (but without gates and time to tweak the room seperation) we average 10-12 tracks of drums. Everything is automated & preset ready to track the next tune..we only have to change a sample,etc.

******//fp2k.redshift.com/cjogo/recording_studio.htm

[BattleAngel]

Yeah but I have heard your samples and they do leave me feeling like "..." okay. If it works for your clients- that's terrific, I'm glad they're happy, but I could never ever do my drums that way.

[Neddy Seagoon]

cjogo, I'd love to have your clients man. If I presented those tracks to my clients I'd be bagging groceries at Trader Joe's for a living! More power to you if you can get away with it... err I mean successfully make that "creative" decision.

[cjogo]

Neddy sent you a PM

[cjogo]

Our clients are usually a solo/duo team looking to make a demo of their song (not radio*ready )--not to perform or remotely promote--only to sell the tune.... Someone else can make the judgement later -->> how to perform/record the song. Our clients want a quality enough production to send the complied songs away to "those in the know" looking to buy.

[Jason Poulin]

cjogo,

Are you trying to get clients from GS? You only posted that same setup 5 times on this thread.

Don't spam one of my fav GS threads.

Jason

[cjogo]

Did not realize the # of threads --just was responding to email notices ...>>>> did not notice this up to 12+ pages already---just responding to the forum request >>>>>>>>>no--- not soliciting..plenty busy here.

[Bobalou]

Originally posted by cjogo
Our clients are usually a solo/duo team looking to make a demo of their song (not radio*ready )--not to perform or remotely promote--only to sell the tune.... Someone else can make the judgement later -->> how to perform/record the song. Our clients want a quality enough production to send the complied songs away to "those in the know" looking to buy.

well then that explains it! if thats all you need is demo tracks for solo/duo teams, than the kat approach would be usable.

you chimed into this thread (many times) comparing your sample/kat approach as being right up there with "Mic'ed Up Drum Kits" thats why you're getting so much resistance.

I think you finally cleared that up

[cjogo]

thanks kindly Bobalou....thumbsup

[caughtup]

Here's a recent event my buddy Eric tracked with a contigent of mics from Earthworks...
gee ,,at 12 pages should I have started a new thread??

[caughtup]

it's like a game of count/find the mics! there are 8 EW mics used..

[K.C.]

Hmm, intersting. I really like my 71s, 77s and QTC-1s, but I never thought of any of them as Tom mics. I guess the proximity could give them a fat sound and they'd certainly be fast.

I don't think I've ever seen the two-tone models on the Toms. What are they ?

[cjogo]

Bye~~~

[bluelang]

Originally posted by caughtup
Here's a recent event my buddy Eric tracked with a contigent of mics from Earthworks...
gee ,,at 12 pages should I have started a new thread??

any chance of hearing this? is there anything inside or in front of the bass drum?

thanks!

[BattleAngel]

dude cjogo,

I don't know why you spam the hell out of these drum box clips and stuff, I personally feel that while the other stuff is recorded pretty nicely, these drums are so totally fake that it is like embaressing... the 'ghost notes' on the 2000 jazzy track is just not believable at all. How much harder would it be to just set up a very small, simple kit, and mic it with two or three mics? I do not understand your fervor for this method of adding percussion to tracks... I think it really takes away from the other performances.

[bleen]

Originally posted by cjogo
1990 * VS 880 * K2000 sampler
FALL IN LOVE WITH...

Dood, how did you get a VS880 in 1990? Don't think they hit the market until '96-'97...