Pictures Of Mic'ed Up Drum Kits In The Studio - Page 5

Jason Poulin · 21st October 2003

Yes Bobalou,

I am getting a nice low end punch that blends in nicely when compressed. Although, I am also getting a little 3d delay on it but that only adds bigness to my sound.

Maybe Jules can elaborate a little more on this theory since I've picked it up after seeing his M149's placed facing the way away from the kit.

I'm also getting a nice sizzle from the cymbals.

I'm also greatful for this thread that you started Bobalou... IMO it's helped alot. Especially being able to check out everyone's OH micing techniques.

Jason

Dot · 13th November 2003

Just did a jazz recording in San Diego. More info at The Listening Sessions Meets Jazzooo

Drums:
Overheads: pair of Earthworks QTC-1's omnis OR a pair of Earthworks SR77's cardioids - running through Millennia HV-3D
Kick: Audio-Technica ATM25 - running to Roland VS 2480 mic pre.
Snare: Studio Projects C1 - running to Millennia HV-3D
Hat: AKG 414 B-ULS - running to Millennia HV-3D
Toms: Rack toms - Studio Projects B1's, floor tom - Studio Projects B3 - all running to Roland VS 2480 pres.

Here's a shot of the hand-made Le Soprano drum kit all miked up.

Dot · 13th November 2003

Two pairs of Earthworks mics are used on OH's. A pair of QTC-1's for the softer, more mellow tracks where space, dimension and imagery are a priority. And a pair of SR77's for the louder tracks. We had the QTC-1's up and were getting occasional mic overload on loud passages, so we switched to the SR77 for the loud stuff. The QTC-1's running through the Millennia HV-3D are stunning on drum overheads.

Here's a shot of the POV of the overheads to the drum kit. The OH array is set to 110º ORTF.

Dot · 13th November 2003

Here's the snare miked on top with a Studio Projects C1. [ positioned with back of C1 facing hats for rejection ] The hats are miked with an AKG 414B-ULS.

Dot · 13th November 2003

Rack toms both mics with Studio Projects B1's.

Dot · 13th November 2003

Floor tom miked with Studio Projects B3.

Jules · 13th November 2003

Thanks Chris!

(from the last page)

We have producer Gil Norton in for 3 days (Pixies / Foo Fighters) he's working with my junior engineer Tom on some pre prod...

Must drop in to see how they are getting on! Who knows, if they like the studio........

("Ahhhhh".....sound of crashing waves..... "another Mai Tai darling? Shall we have lobster again for dinner"?... AND THEN I WOKE UP!

)

If its anything wacky and new I will try to take pictures!

BattleAngel · 13th November 2003

Dan,

That kit is absolutely stunning! It looks like incredibly thought and workmanship went into every last detail. I bet it sounds absolutely gorgeous on tape- what format did you track to, digital of some sort? Any chance we can hear it?

Also it looks like the mics are pointed up and away from their sources (toms anyway), how does that sound versus pointing the mics at the heads?

Jason Poulin · 13th November 2003

Yeah, I noticed that two.

Also on the snare. Kit looks very nice btw.

I'd say it captures more of the natural sound of the kit. I hope I'm right if that kits sounds as good as it looks.

Jason

BattleAngel · 13th November 2003

I'm really curious to find out how that kit sounds. I'm going to be picking up a new kit sometime in the next year or so as I try to make a real residential whole band set up for myself. I've got a great mmx kit from Pearl, but I think I'm looking for something a lot more natural and warm.

planet red · 13th November 2003

Can someone post a pic of Recordermans OH setup? I dont think I understand it correctly, cause people always hit the mics when I set them up like I think its supposed to.

Jason Poulin · 13th November 2003

Planet Red...

The kit I miced up a few pages back on this thread...

I used the Recorderman setup.

Although I set my mics at two and 3/4 lenghs away from the snare.

Jason

ps: Do a search on this site for more info on it. There's a really good post on it a few months back.

Dot · 13th November 2003

That kits is a [ there's a link here ----> ] Le Soprano Prima Original hand-made in Italy. Price tag on the drums alone is about $7500. The two ride cymbals are Peter Erskine Zildjians [ with three sizzles ] - the one on the drummers left is a Peter Erskine Left hand Ride prototype. The players all know and have played with Peter Erskine.

BattleAngel, all the mics on the toms and snare are side-address condensers - and are, in fact, pointing towards the tom heads.

Although, not the recording I worked on last week [ where these shots were taken ], there is an MP3 of a song, "We've Got Time" here at this link that uses this Le Soprano kit. There is a CD being released soon of the recordings and we'll also make some MP3's available. The band and my gear set up is still in San Diego and they'll continue recording for the next couple of weeks.

I'll post a link when the CD is available.

[ edited - 320 bitrate MP3's of kit available at http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/jazzooo.htm
Download "NY BLues" and "LizBarber" ]

BattleAngel · 13th November 2003

Yeah I was just looking it up- superbly expensive but I guess some guys just have to sound *that* good. Lord knows I would if I were good enough to justify it ;-)

That clip's not working by the way =( I really want to hear it!

chrisso · 13th November 2003

It worked for me.
Very nice track and I like the band.
Shame the MP3 didn't really showcase the kit though.

BattleAngel · 13th November 2003

Got it. Beautiful :-) The drums sound phenomenal but this track doesn't show off the whole kit a lot. Not that it matters- at 7500 I can't afford it. Yet ;-)

BobbyPeru · 14th November 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Dot
That kits is a [ there's a link here ----> ] Le Soprano Prima Original hand-made in Italy. Price tag on the drums alone is about $7500.

I guess that explains why you didn't buy new heads to put on the drums before recording

Bobby Peru
Milwaukee, WI

chrisso · 14th November 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Dot
all the mics on the toms and snare are side-address condensers - and are, in fact, pointing towards the tom heads.

Those Studio Project's mics look tasty.
Anyone seen or heard the Josephson E22s (side address condensors)?
They were designed in conjunction with Steve Albini and look quite strange.

bjornson · 15th November 2003

Every cool cat worth his whiskers knows ya don't replace heads or clean cymbals on a jazz kit.... Go to your room!tutt

drummerman15 · 25th November 2003

'64 Slingerland with '53 Gretsch snare. Amazing sound!. Photo taken before we got the room mics up and the sea of mic cables so it looked cleaner for promotional photos. Your "standard" setup - 57 snare, 421s on the toms, D112 on kick, B&O stereo ribbon overhead, 87's in the room

drummerman15 · 25th November 2003

another shot

drummerman15 · 25th November 2003

that was the same one - this should be right

Dot · 25th November 2003

Sweet!

heinz · 27th November 2003

what a great thread! Drummerman that kit is completely dope.

Here is an update on my kit, much learned from this thread and others on this board. Sounds much better and improving all the time!

Updates:

- Ditched SP C3's for a pair of Josephson C42's
- moved rack toms off kick and onto stands
- added subkick ns10 mic
- lost tom mics and replaced with r121 FOK mic
- removed rugs went with bare floor

Fargin eh, thanks guys.

Jason Poulin · 27th November 2003

Always enjoy seeing new posts on this thread!

I have to try placing a speaker on a kick one of these days!

Looking good folks, keep em coming!

Jason

RichT · 27th November 2003

Piccy I took a week or so back, we've just put a new Vinyl floor down but still have to tweak the acoustics a little. Anyway here's the pic:

Cheers,
Rich

cajonezzz · 3rd March 2004

Frighteningly good 15 yr old drummer Ilian Rubin. Tracked two tunes for "get the girl" band today.

Oh my god. This kid is as talented, at 15 as ANY drummer I've seen in the rock world currently. watch out. He taught himself classical Piano as well(started 6 months ago) and guitar.

Fully endorsed by OCDP, Paiste, Vic firth.

fuucker.

Here's his abbreviated kit for this session:
Beta 51, Ns 10, 57's on snare, 87 rack, 421 floor, 414 OH's, Royer 121's room.

Ollie · 3rd March 2004

No pics now, but if you are ever get a chance to put a good pair of C12A's or C12B's over your kit, it will put a smile on your face.

dim light · 3rd March 2004

Quote:

Originally posted by caughtup
That's an awesome idea. I've got some pics, I'll try to have them hosted somewhere quick.
They are from Andy Hong over at Tape OP from a session he did of the band Karate.
Our lead mic tech finished up some work he did with his band "Chubby Finger", they used a Shure Drum mic kit and Earthworks as O'heads; I'll ask if anyone took pictures...
I just noticed the attach function and posted one pic-a-rature!
Jeff

Karate!!! I love Geoff Farinas guitar sound... Great band!

barforama · 4th March 2004

OK. Here we go. Yamaha Stage Custom kit.

Kick: Soundelux U195 (in front)
and a MD421 at the beater -> both through Trident A-range's

Snare: on top a MD421 -> D.W.Fearn VT1
and on the side: AKG C451/CK1 -> Drawmer 1969

Toms: AKG C414B-ULS -> all through Trident A-range's

Ride: Neumann KM84 -> AMEK 9098eq

OH: Neumann KM184 -> Great River MP-2NV

Ambience: Microtech Gefell UM92.1s -> Neumann V476n

21st October 2003	#121
Jason Poulin Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sudbury, On. Canada Posts: 1,769	Yes Bobalou, I am getting a nice low end punch that blends in nicely when compressed. Although, I am also getting a little 3d delay on it but that only adds bigness to my sound. Maybe Jules can elaborate a little more on this theory since I've picked it up after seeing his M149's placed facing the way away from the kit. I'm also getting a nice sizzle from the cymbals. I'm also greatful for this thread that you started Bobalou... IMO it's helped alot. Especially being able to check out everyone's OH micing techniques. Jason __________________ If it don't sound like a record... don't press record

13th November 2003	#122
Dot Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the beach in warm, sunny SC Posts: 872	Just did a jazz recording in San Diego. More info at The Listening Sessions Meets Jazzooo Drums: Overheads: pair of Earthworks QTC-1's omnis OR a pair of Earthworks SR77's cardioids - running through Millennia HV-3D Kick: Audio-Technica ATM25 - running to Roland VS 2480 mic pre. Snare: Studio Projects C1 - running to Millennia HV-3D Hat: AKG 414 B-ULS - running to Millennia HV-3D Toms: Rack toms - Studio Projects B1's, floor tom - Studio Projects B3 - all running to Roland VS 2480 pres. Here's a shot of the hand-made Le Soprano drum kit all miked up. __________________ Dan Richards Yackin' about gear and recording techniques at http://studioforums.com

13th November 2003	#127
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A Yank in London, UK Posts: 17,356 1 Review written	Thanks Chris! (from the last page) We have producer Gil Norton in for 3 days (Pixies / Foo Fighters) he's working with my junior engineer Tom on some pre prod... Must drop in to see how they are getting on! Who knows, if they like the studio........ ("Ahhhhh".....sound of crashing waves..... "another Mai Tai darling? Shall we have lobster again for dinner"?... AND THEN I WOKE UP! ) If its anything wacky and new I will try to take pictures! __________________ Jules Add your reviews to the new reviews area! Gearslutz on Facebook Follow my GS picks on Twitter

25th November 2003	#140
drummerman15 Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 97	'64 Slingerland with '53 Gretsch snare. Amazing sound!. Photo taken before we got the room mics up and the sea of mic cables so it looked cleaner for promotional photos. Your "standard" setup - 57 snare, 421s on the toms, D112 on kick, B&O stereo ribbon overhead, 87's in the room Attached Thumbnails

25th November 2003	#141
drummerman15 Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 97	another shot Attached Thumbnails

13th November 2003	#123
Dot Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the beach in warm, sunny SC Posts: 872	Two pairs of Earthworks mics are used on OH's. A pair of QTC-1's for the softer, more mellow tracks where space, dimension and imagery are a priority. And a pair of SR77's for the louder tracks. We had the QTC-1's up and were getting occasional mic overload on loud passages, so we switched to the SR77 for the loud stuff. The QTC-1's running through the Millennia HV-3D are stunning on drum overheads. Here's a shot of the POV of the overheads to the drum kit. The OH array is set to 110º ORTF.

13th November 2003	#124
Dot Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the beach in warm, sunny SC Posts: 872	Here's the snare miked on top with a Studio Projects C1. [ positioned with back of C1 facing hats for rejection ] The hats are miked with an AKG 414B-ULS.

13th November 2003	#125
Dot Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the beach in warm, sunny SC Posts: 872	Rack toms both mics with Studio Projects B1's.

13th November 2003	#126
Dot Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the beach in warm, sunny SC Posts: 872	Floor tom miked with Studio Projects B3.

13th November 2003	#128
BattleAngel Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 954	Dan, That kit is absolutely stunning! It looks like incredibly thought and workmanship went into every last detail. I bet it sounds absolutely gorgeous on tape- what format did you track to, digital of some sort? Any chance we can hear it? Also it looks like the mics are pointed up and away from their sources (toms anyway), how does that sound versus pointing the mics at the heads?

13th November 2003	#129
Jason Poulin Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sudbury, On. Canada Posts: 1,769	Yeah, I noticed that two. Also on the snare. Kit looks very nice btw. I'd say it captures more of the natural sound of the kit. I hope I'm right if that kits sounds as good as it looks. Jason

13th November 2003	#130
BattleAngel Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 954	I'm really curious to find out how that kit sounds. I'm going to be picking up a new kit sometime in the next year or so as I try to make a real residential whole band set up for myself. I've got a great mmx kit from Pearl, but I think I'm looking for something a lot more natural and warm.

13th November 2003	#131
planet red Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: historic richmond va Posts: 764	Can someone post a pic of Recordermans OH setup? I dont think I understand it correctly, cause people always hit the mics when I set them up like I think its supposed to.

13th November 2003	#132
Jason Poulin Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sudbury, On. Canada Posts: 1,769	Planet Red... The kit I miced up a few pages back on this thread... I used the Recorderman setup. Although I set my mics at two and 3/4 lenghs away from the snare. Jason ps: Do a search on this site for more info on it. There's a really good post on it a few months back.

13th November 2003	#133
Dot Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the beach in warm, sunny SC Posts: 872	That kits is a [ there's a link here ----> ] Le Soprano Prima Original hand-made in Italy. Price tag on the drums alone is about $7500. The two ride cymbals are Peter Erskine Zildjians [ with three sizzles ] - the one on the drummers left is a Peter Erskine Left hand Ride prototype. The players all know and have played with Peter Erskine. BattleAngel, all the mics on the toms and snare are side-address condensers - and are, in fact, pointing towards the tom heads. Although, not the recording I worked on last week [ where these shots were taken ], there is an MP3 of a song, "We've Got Time" here at this link that uses this Le Soprano kit. There is a CD being released soon of the recordings and we'll also make some MP3's available. The band and my gear set up is still in San Diego and they'll continue recording for the next couple of weeks. I'll post a link when the CD is available. [ edited - 320 bitrate MP3's of kit available at http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/jazzooo.htm Download "NY BLues" and "LizBarber" ]

13th November 2003	#134
BattleAngel Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 954	Yeah I was just looking it up- superbly expensive but I guess some guys just have to sound that good. Lord knows I would if I were good enough to justify it ;-) That clip's not working by the way =( I really want to hear it!

13th November 2003	#135
chrisso Gear Guru Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oz Posts: 15,356	It worked for me. Very nice track and I like the band. Shame the MP3 didn't really showcase the kit though.

13th November 2003	#136
BattleAngel Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 954	Got it. Beautiful :-) The drums sound phenomenal but this track doesn't show off the whole kit a lot. Not that it matters- at 7500 I can't afford it. Yet ;-)

15th November 2003	#139
bjornson Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Pa Posts: 562	Every cool cat worth his whiskers knows ya don't replace heads or clean cymbals on a jazz kit.... Go to your room!tutt

25th November 2003	#142
drummerman15 Gear nut Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 97	that was the same one - this should be right Attached Thumbnails

25th November 2003	#143
Dot Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the beach in warm, sunny SC Posts: 872	Sweet!

27th November 2003	#144
heinz Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 1,025	what a great thread! Drummerman that kit is completely dope. Here is an update on my kit, much learned from this thread and others on this board. Sounds much better and improving all the time! Updates: - Ditched SP C3's for a pair of Josephson C42's - moved rack toms off kick and onto stands - added subkick ns10 mic - lost tom mics and replaced with r121 FOK mic - removed rugs went with bare floor Fargin eh, thanks guys.

27th November 2003	#145
Jason Poulin Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sudbury, On. Canada Posts: 1,769	Always enjoy seeing new posts on this thread! I have to try placing a speaker on a kick one of these days! Looking good folks, keep em coming! Jason

27th November 2003	#146
RichT Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 1,469	Piccy I took a week or so back, we've just put a new Vinyl floor down but still have to tweak the acoustics a little. Anyway here's the pic: Cheers, Rich __________________ www.oldblacksmiths.com www.myspace.com/theoldblacksmiths

3rd March 2004	#147
cajonezzz Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Carlsbad Ca. Posts: 1,765	Frighteningly good 15 yr old drummer Ilian Rubin. Tracked two tunes for "get the girl" band today. Oh my god. This kid is as talented, at 15 as ANY drummer I've seen in the rock world currently. watch out. He taught himself classical Piano as well(started 6 months ago) and guitar. Fully endorsed by OCDP, Paiste, Vic firth. fuucker. Here's his abbreviated kit for this session: Beta 51, Ns 10, 57's on snare, 87 rack, 421 floor, 414 OH's, Royer 121's room. Attached Thumbnails __________________ http://recordingdrummerproducer.com http://socaldrumsociety.com http://ProCraftMedia.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Watch your words, for they become actions. Watch your actions, for they become habits. Watch your habits, for they become character. Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.

3rd March 2004	#148
Ollie Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,002	No pics now, but if you are ever get a chance to put a good pair of C12A's or C12B's over your kit, it will put a smile on your face.

4th March 2004	#150
barforama Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 410 22 Reviews written	OK. Here we go. Yamaha Stage Custom kit. Kick: Soundelux U195 (in front) and a MD421 at the beater -> both through Trident A-range's Snare: on top a MD421 -> D.W.Fearn VT1 and on the side: AKG C451/CK1 -> Drawmer 1969 Toms: AKG C414B-ULS -> all through Trident A-range's Ride: Neumann KM84 -> AMEK 9098eq OH: Neumann KM184 -> Great River MP-2NV Ambience: Microtech Gefell UM92.1s -> Neumann V476n Attached Thumbnails __________________ torsten matthiessen studie barforama www.barforama.dk

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