Neumann U47 in comparison to the Neumann U67 microphone

[kcrobertscountry]

neumann manufactured microphone, from 1947 I own one, and I love it, but i've got some questions.

I think I like the omni settings better. I'm guessing this is the setting that looks like an 0. the other setting, i think is cardoid/a heart shaped setting, seems to distort or not sound real clear when I hit high notes with I or e vowel sounds. does anyone know the difference in these settings and whether what I'm hearing will translate differently to a recording versus my headphones.

In addition, I have the blue power supply and I was wondering if anyone knows the difference between the different settings, heater and plate?

I think this microphone is extremely clear, and could be the single most learning tool for a singer when trying to shape vocals, but I'm wondering if for a tube sound if I should go to the u-67 or 87 for that warmth.

what are your feelings?

[Ollie]

I find the 47 to be bit more aggressive sounding(in a good way) in the mids 1.5k 2.5k. The U67 is a great mic also. Another mic I find to be one of the best out of all the Neumann is the M49. Beautiful, fat, takes eq well.

Check out also the M147...

[kcrobertscountry]

You're right. I didn't research it and the sales pitch sounded great. So I bought a telefunken, blue rebuild. And by the way the clarity is incredible. I am a trained vocalist 6 voice teachers 5 choirs. And so I bring something to the microphone. And as a tool this rebuild is excellent. I'm able to hear exactly what my voice is doing and able to make adjustments. It's incredible.

However, Mr. knowitnothin' you'd rather attack me instead of helping me with my original question, which is the settings on the u47. What a donkey!

Oh, and by the way I've been doing some research. And so my next mic will be a wagner u47, I've already made my request. then maybe a blue bottle, a u67 and a few others. why not my roofing company did 5 million in sales...

I've also penned 250 songs, and have a degree in rhetoric from cal berkeley...

and soon i will shock the world.

doubt me? Don't -www.myspace.com/kcrobertscountry

[Rick Sutton]

Originally Posted by kcrobertscountry

However, Mr. knowitnothin' ...... What a donkey!

why not my roofing company did 5 million in sales...

I've also penned 250 songs, and have a degree in rhetoric from cal berkeley...

and soon i will shock the world.

doubt me? Don't

Maybe my favorite, all time, Gearslutz post.

[steviebeatbox]

Hey, heyyyyyy come on now. Let's not judge him based on the lack of music on the myspace. Everyone knows it's really about how many friends you have. I have like, 9,000 friends so you can imagine how much I know about music. Almost everything there is to know, bro. That's more friends than Rick Rubin's page man, so just imagine.


Anyways, I've yet to use a u47, but I'm about to. This is interesting to read up here on the many ways a 47 can vary these days, I think the only modification to the one I'm going to use is a new tube. We'll see.

I've recorded on an m149 and was very disappointed. Although it had great high end detail, I found it to have no presence, proximity didn't seem to do much for the intimacy (or lack thereof) either. Isn't it derived from the same capsule as the m49 and u47? I read that the 149 had a great, really even pickup response, I didn't find that to be the case. I went into a Neve 1073 and was working with a so-so acoustic space. Not quite as dry as I like it.

Then I used a Neumann u67 (again, wasn't savvy enough to ask the studio exactly what had been done to it), and was really diggin it. I can see how it's described as dark, but just a little work with the mic placement and very light Manley EQ and I hit the jackpot. The low end detail was great. This was run through the Vintech that's supposed to be a replica of the Neve 1073, also recorded in one of my favorite acoustic spaces I've ever had access to.

Next week, I'm going to try both the u67 and u47 through my Milennia TD-1.

[Bassmec]

Originally Posted by steviebeatbox

Hey, heyyyyyy come on now. Let's not judge him based on the lack of music on the myspace. Everyone knows it's really about how many friends you have. I have like, 9,000 friends so you can imagine how much I know about music. Almost everything there is to know, bro. That's more friends than Rick Rubin's page man, so just imagine.


Anyways, I've yet to use a u47, but I'm about to. This is interesting to read up here on the many ways a 47 can vary these days, I think the only modification to the one I'm going to use is a new tube. We'll see.

I've recorded on an m149 and was very disappointed. Although it had great high end detail, I found it to have no presence, proximity didn't seem to do much for the intimacy (or lack thereof) either. Isn't it derived from the same capsule as the m49 and u47? I read that the 149 had a great, really even pickup response, I didn't find that to be the case. I went into a Neve 1073 and was working with a so-so acoustic space. Not quite as dry as I like it.

Then I used a Neumann u67 (again, wasn't savvy enough to ask the studio exactly what had been done to it), and was really diggin it. I can see how it's described as dark, but just a little work with the mic placement and very light Manley EQ and I hit the jackpot. The low end detail was great. This was run through the Vintech that's supposed to be a replica of the Neve 1073, also recorded in one of my favorite acoustic spaces I've ever had access to.

Next week, I'm going to try both the u67 and u47 through my Milennia TD-1.

There are a number of options for the term new tube in a U 47 and only a VF 14 in good order (not that easy to find today at reasonable cost) will do in the opinion of many old gits like me who have tried a few options.
Just been transferring radar to PT with a great upright bass part recorded with a good one in a great room. cant say enough for it really.

[gevermil]

and soon I will shock and awe the world stike

[steviebeatbox]

Well soon I will give "the shocker" to the world.

[Martin Kantola]

Regarding an old U47 PSU, think that the wrong output voltage to the mike would be a more likely problem than ripple. This seems to be very common. As an example, the line voltage here in Europe is now 230V, which wasn't the case when those mikes were built...

As for the sound comparison, they are completely different animals. Using both in my work, but the 67's seem much more limited, only work well for some applications, while a 47 (in excellent condition) will surprise you almost every time on almost anything. My 47s are much clearer, much larger and real than one of my 67s.

In other words, sometimes you get a singer you want to hear less of, not more, if you know what I mean... He or she might have a very raw or hard type of voice. In those cases it's great to pull out a 67 as a kind of countermeasure, but for almost all voices the 47 is just right.

Martin

[colewinters]

Hopefully this is on topic, if not, ignore.

I just bought a U47 and a vintage V76 pre-amp. My plan is to record small groups in mono for a fair price. For the same amount of money, I could have owned a few different channels of mic's, pre's, comp's, eq's; but instead, I opted for one channel of U47/V76. A little minimalist, I know, but hopefully I can make it work in a number of applications. Does anyone have experience recording small groups in mono? Thankx

[Empty Planet]

Cool concept. Hope it works out great for you.


Cheers.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by kcrobertscountry

I've also penned 250 songs, and have a degree in rhetoric from cal berkeley...

and soon i will shock the world.

doubt me? Don't -www.myspace.com/kcrobertscountry

Blender! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[HDGuru]

I saw this sale on flea-bay

Neumann M269c #382. Vintage Tube Mic. U67 U87 M49 M269 - (eBay item 190165914042 end time Nov-01-07 16:14:44 PDT)

Whats up with this mic? I have been looking for a quality U67 for a while now and this thing looks sweet.

[Dan]

$7500 U67

[trustyjim]

Originally Posted by pegleg

I doubt if I was the only one to find it amusing that you own a U47 and don't really know the difference between omni and cardioid. I'm not sure what the parallel is in the roofing business, but if you had a site called "Roofing Slutz", and someone was asking if the roof goes on the top or bottom....

Oh man, this had me ROFL!

[Nu-tra]

So Blender became Hob and now he is kcrobertscountry?

[Stitch333]

Originally Posted by Nu-tra

So Blender became Hob and now he is kcrobertscountry?

is blender "a Redneck Renaissance Man"?

The world may never know...

[Nu-tra]

IF that is blender on the myspace page then why is he holding a guitar? I'm sure he can hum an acoustic all night. If that is not Blender than I think Blender has a new friend he can play with in the sand box.

[wrigley]

Originally Posted by JOHN

Hello to All

I am thinking of buying a second hand Neumann U47 microphone. I already own a Neumann U67.

I know every U67 and U47 sounds different but there is a sound to these mic,s that continue within the brand of mic say the U67s will sound similar to each other. So before I start the buying process of the U47 any comments would help please.


1. My question is does the U 47 sound fuller and deeper compared to the U67.
2. Does the U 47 sound more transparent compared to the U67.
3. Does the U47 have more top and bottom end compared to the U67.
4. What about the Neumann M149 compared to the Neumann U47.


I would appreciate any other comments you wish to make about the Neumann U47 in comparison to the Neumann U67 microphone.

I have hired a U47 but it was absolutely rubbish it was so battered and badly cared for.


Thank you.

JOHN REMY.

You should check out the Neumann m269c. From reading your post I think you would like it a lot. It has a bit more air than a good condition U47 and looks like like a U67. Uses a different tube more common than a VF14. Best mic ever imho. Very versatile.

[vernier]

47 = huge sound. 67 = medium to slightly whimpy.

[BB Bill]

Originally Posted by vernier

47 = huge sound. 67 = medium to slightly whimpy.

Your 67 must be broken. Have someone look at it, and report back.

[dan alexander]

A u67 is a more linear sounding mic than a 47; the 67 sounds like a u87 but actually has hi and low end response(totally blows an 87 away).....a 47 has a more exaggerated hi and low end , is " bigger" sounding , and for my buck, is more exciting .... either of them is of course a very good mic, but the 47 has an undeniable personality that is difficult to beat.... one 47 overhead and out in front of a drum kit is instant classic jazz, and a pair of them as room mics on rock drums is huge... not to mention that they are consistant fav vocal mics for just about anyone . horns, acoustic guitar, piano, all freakin great with 47s...

[jjblair]

Dan, don't forget, the 67 doesn't have that annoying 1kHz thing that drives me nuts on the 87.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by vernier

47 = huge sound. 67 = medium to slightly whimpy.

trouble maker.