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Mic for vocals

Im looking for a vocal mic that doesnt have a boost in the hi midrange. Looking at the Neumann M147 which has a boost from 1.5k doesnt work for me, tried the pearlman. Akg 414 xlII with a dip between 1k and 2k is more like. But I want another mic with another character. Any suggestions on these specifications?
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What is your budget?
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well the top is at 3000 usd, just because I just invested in a MC77
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C12-clone type mics boost at the top, but generally higher up. So not at that "presence boost" point, more at the "air boost" point.
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To get rid of the midrange type of boost I´d say any U47 clone or whatever could do the trick, C12 is a great mic aswell, but not in that matter I think if you have to reject that type of frequence
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Well I tried the pearlman tm1, didnt do my voice any good, maybe Bock 251, anyone know how it compares?
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Well I tried the pearlman tm1, didnt do my voice any good, maybe Bock 251, anyone know how it compares?
Have you tried a 251 or ú47, u67, u87, tlm103 etc....?
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Not yet, im about to try the 251, but do they have similar frequnecy response? In that case it wouldnt work.
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go with the jz blackohle
somthing that you cant close your mouth ! ?
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If you liked the "XLII" somewhat I think the "XLS" might be better for what you're looking for. You're going to have to try it, of course.

If 3K is your top in spending then the 251 is outside of that.
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I got the Manley ref c here today, just what Im after, but isnt there a mic sounding similar but less $? That mic feels fantastic on my voice, in your face, airy and not boosted in 2-3k. Any ideas?
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Since you already like it get the Manley C.

You might have to wait a bit to save up the rest of the money but you will never regret it and you will never have the feeling that you "settled".

A lot of places have the "12 months same as cash" so maybe that might be an option.
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I'll say that judging a microphone by a manufacturer's frequency plot is the easiest way to have NO IDEA WHAT THE MICROPHONE SOUNDS LIKE IN YOUR ROOM.

Those plots are taken from specific distances in anechoic chambers. I'm going to venture a guess that you're not recording in an anechoic chamber and will probably use the microphone a bit closer than where the testing facility places them for measurement.

The only way to truly evaluate any tool for recording audio is to get it into your room and try it on your voice/sources/instruments/etc. Any other way, you might as well be guessing.
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you could get a second hand M149..
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Well I can afford it now... hmm
Maybe I just should keep it the other mics I have hear at the moment
dont stand a chance against this one. Damn gear

Ok Sean thx for the info, so those frequency charts doesnt even give you anything of how the mic sounds?
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Lemme clarify here...

There is no real standard for measuring microphones. With that in mind, you can't sit there and compare two frequency plots from different manufacturers because the circumstances in which those two measurements are likely very different.

As well, frequency response is just one little part of what makes a microphone sound a certain way. Different microphones will have different proximity effect, different directionality and off-axis response, different noise floor, output level, overload point, etc, and ALL of these things come into play in shaping the sound of a microphone. The only way to truly evaluate them is to use them how you plan on using them and hearing for yourself whether or not they're going to work for you.
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try a sanken cu-41
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I was reading a thread earlier about the Pearlman 250, which is getting great reviews and is a clone of the Telefunken ELA M 250.

It sells for $3000.. If I had a spare $3000 now and this kind of need, I would snap one up.

Cheers n best of luck,

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How is that compared to the tm1 cause that didnt fit my vox at all.
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You should try a Neumann TLM 170 or Neumann U89. Very flat response, no hype, popular for classical recording. TOTALLY DIFFERENT sound (totally different capsule) that the more common U67/U87 and most modern Neumann mics. The U89 has a transformer, the TLM 170 does not. Both can be purchased used at decent prices (less than the U87).
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But to me it isnt a problem if it is hyped in the top, all I need to watch out for is 2-3k.
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I got the Manley ref c here today, just what Im after,That mic feels fantastic on my voice, in your face, airy and not boosted in 2-3k.

You already found the mic you think is perfect and you have the money.

Not sure why you are still 2nd guessing and causing yourself grief.

Grab it and be done with it and start singing!
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Well its more like what if I could get an equally good mic for less so I can buy two of them and then have even more use of them. And somewhere in the back of my head I got this thinking... would you pay 50$? Does the party get any better? Or the hangover any easier?

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You already found the mic you think is perfect and you have the money.

Not sure why you are still 2nd guessing and causing yourself grief.

Grab it and be done with it and start singing!
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maybe also consider an rca ribbon? most classic mics that would qualify are out of your budged.
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Well Ill have to raise the budget a tad then, but I want a modern pop/rock sound for my vocals.

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maybe also consider an rca ribbon? most classic mics that would qualify are out of your budged.
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Still looking for "that" mic, i have actually limited my budget to 1000-1500 Euros. I have a bock 195 coming in for a spin. But im really qurious about the charter 538b until I read in SoS that it has a pronounced hi mid (2-3k), is that true? Or any other suggestions?
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you could get a second hand M149..
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Way over budget, the ones on ebay now are like 3500 usd.
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Still looking for "that" mic, i have actually limited my budget to 1000-1500 Euros. I have a bock 195 coming in for a spin. But im really qurious about the charter 538b until I read in SoS that it has a pronounced hi mid (2-3k), is that true? Or any other suggestions?
There are a few Gefells in budget that use the original Neumann M7 capsule.

OK - I am now the Gefell distributor for the UK, but as you said €uros it does not affect me at all.
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Gefell M930, best bang for buck, excels on most sources.
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