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23rd March 2006
| #61 |
| Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 1,289
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Just found out I'm getting my second unit next shipment at the intro price. Every one I played it to wants one so geeee what a world shaker. Nick |
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23rd March 2006
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| Gear maniac  Joined: Aug 2004 Location: London
Posts: 247
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 I must say that I prefer the PEQ1R over the Germanium though (at least by hearing your files)  So you must have more than one Wunder pre then...or were you only using 1 mic on the drums? Cheers, Rob | |
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23rd March 2006
| #63 |
| Gear nut  Joined: Sep 2005
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Those samples sound rather dark sounding. Q: Would you say this is typical of the 'germanium' sound? How does it compare to the speed of an API for example? |
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23rd March 2006
| #64 |
| Gear addict  Joined: Mar 2006 Location: los angeles
Posts: 351
| germanium jams...
hello...thanks again for the kind responses on those jams. just excited to finally "hear and feel the difference" of using some well-designed pres. Yes i would say that so far i've learned that the Chandler has a very chunky/smooth sound (pretty oxymoronic terms-sounds like I'm talking like opposing brands of peanut butter) , but with all the gain structuring options (2 knobs/2 buttons is plenty!) pad button is very usable for saturation purposes, but you can definately get a clean sound too. I just happen to go for the "gush" everytime so far. as i increase the feedback knob, i notice that the hi end rolls off, and the low mids chunk up in a way that is so natural that i think this is what people mean by "warm". when i did some lightly distorted les paul jr/ fender princeton/ coles 4038/ germ/ tracking the other day it brought on such a nostalgic connotation, it reminded me of the "white album" guitar tones. The psychology of recording through this circuit is such an ego massage for the player. Yet, the germs affect never sounds cheesy or hyped like so much of the bullshit gear marketed to the prosumer project market which i fall into. i do not need another box in the chain after the germ. low end is so full that the dynamics can get out of control, but that can be solved by mic choice/placement/experience...It also makes dynamics (sm7/beyer 201c in my case) "sparkle".... I say it is a great gift of empowerment to those "rockers" out who might have have only an Mbox and a '57, can now afford to step into a very "classy" music making machine, that is just plain "fun" to record with...and it is a leap in the right direction away from the "clean room" vibe of computer recording. If you record real acoustic/electric rock instruments like i do, you would probably really like making songs on it... roundbadge: yes i am in LA...belly of the beast... eh....the city of quartz....suburban metropolis...where are you?mattsson: thanks for sweet encouragment...From what i've been told, the Wunder is based on the "Albatross" console custom built for John Paul Jones of the Zepp, which used to record "physical graffiti" and "IV"-using "i think" the same exact cobalt-based transformer ore (newly recreated by the same folks in england). the bandwidth is huge, and the speed allows me to catch every nuance of a slamming kick drum without even spot miking. I guess (I am just speculating). The built in EQ is the only one i ever use. spot-miked bass guitar and kick drums absolutely SLAM through Wunder with a chime. low end is ridiculous and real! absolute magic for me...The quickness of the Wunder circuit allows it amplify out all frequencies with intact time coherency, which makes it different from a Neve circuit (which, as i have heard, we like for its slewed, phase-cancelled high end attenuation {"silk"}) i do not own a 1073, but i guessing my phoenix DRS-2 sounds like this (DRS-2 doesnt get much use anymore). phew...enough spewing from a "newbie". maybe the grand masters can shed a little light on us...I only wish Wunder made a ~$1000 PA 1 channel stripped down w/o EQ...because the PA 4 might be overkill for my little studio/budget...together with the Germanium, i've got a great little set of english-sounding paints for my "outsider art".... back to your question...all those drums on "blue nile" were just the coles 4038 hanging over them. mono. we track drums and another instrument (piano/guitar) live using the Wunder and UA6176(one on drum, one on piano/acoustic) each to one side of my trusty old ampex atr-102 1/2" 2 track, then dump it into protoolsLE (24bit/96k) and overdub on the cpu...then mix back to tape...then back to LE at 16bit/44.1K. so there is no dithering or S.R.C. (then to a shitty MP3 on the web... e) hoping to get a multitrack tape machine/ small console when i can afford/learn it ... and put the Imac back in my girlfriends office upstairs...thanks again, nico... |
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23rd March 2006
| #65 |
| Gear addict Joined: Mar 2006 Location: los angeles
Posts: 351
| Chandler TG Limiter pluggin
Hello, not hog the cyberspace, but I must also say that the Chandler Limiter pluggin is the finest software i have tried since I bought MixPlus in '99(which i sold for a 002r and more anolog outboard). the demo is fully functional for ten whole tries. check it out on chandler's website ******//www.chandlerlimited.com i ended up buying it from VintageKing (with the Germanium) because i got so attached to it on one song's mix...by the way vintageKing is the Man. just be patient with him/them, as they are so busy filling orders and purveying the globe for the finest in boutique pro audio's accoutremonts- or you may come off as a court jester. i think email works best with them as they definately covering alot of turf. I also like the guys at Mercenary and Dave Marquette (who is saving some V72's from my amateur attempt at a rack job) are "great people" too...peace to all soundsmiths....nico
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23rd March 2006
| #66 | |
| Lives for gear  Joined: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca.
Posts: 8,853
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The TG plug Rocks! I've actually strapped it to the 2 buss for quikie ITB stuff..sounds cool! also check out Steven Massey's new plugs: ******//gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=63486 even if you track to tape into DAW already ,they're great! Love me Wunders [have a pair] Cool man, I'm in ELAY too!   | |
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23rd March 2006
| #67 |
| Gear Head Joined: Mar 2006 Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 30
| Germanium prompted me to make my first post
wow, all I can say is wow. I have been sitting on these threads reading comment after comment on these germaniums, and I finally got mine in today after a two month wait........so here is my first ever gearslutz post.....  Holy Crap was it worth it. First of all the unit is just gorgous, and when I went back to work today to plug it in with the sample settings......the thing just shimmered. The feedback control is so dynamic and interactive, I love it. I tried it first with a Coles 4038 and had some luck. After a little while I tried my friends Peluso 2247 LE with my vocals and got even better crisp sounding takes. And lastly we tried the germanium (gain at 5, feedback at 3) into an ADL compressor (gain at 5 and reduction at 5) with me playing my Larrivee acoustic guitar and it was HEAVEN!!! I didn't want to take my headphones off, great work wade and all the guys over at chandler. It was worth the wait.  Oh yeah, the best part about all this is that since I was at work today (I am a live sound engineer at a large church in Memphis) I didn't have anything good to run our equiptment through for monitoring. So all the beauitful sounds I heard were still being crapped on my the behringer mixer we have at work. I can't wait to get it home and run it stright into my converter. Anyway, I am Trevor. I plan on posting more in the future. Peace out. |
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24th March 2006
| #68 |
| Lives for gear  Joined: Dec 2003 Location: So-Cal
Posts: 1,778
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You guys are making me want to do some Bad things to my Credit Cards ... 
__________________ The only regrets We will have in Life......Are the things we Never Tried To do. |
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24th March 2006
| #69 |
| Lives for gear  Joined: Dec 2004 Location: Canada
Posts: 2,829
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Just got my grubby hands on it yesterday, but won't try it till the middle of next week. First impression is that those ugly bright yellow knobs are going to drive me crazy but that is really a very minor and unimportant, overly nitpicky observation. Build quality seems very good. I can't wait to tortute test this thing.
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24th March 2006
| #70 |
| Lives for gear Joined: May 2005
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What yellow knobs? They look blue, with white push buttons in the pics.....
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24th March 2006
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Aug 2003
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24th March 2006
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| Lives for gear  Joined: May 2003 Location: Chicago
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24th March 2006
| #73 |
| Gear addict Joined: Mar 2006 Location: los angeles
Posts: 351
| yellow knobs...
I really like the yellow knobs on mine, and personally would not trade for the blue knobs in the ads. i think it is a nice departure from the currently overplayed (but definately classic for the emi/neve-ish outboard) british royal airforce aesthetic of the light grey/blue...both look cool, but bright yellow also works as a visual cue that invites experimentation/knob tweaking which is what the germanium is all about. when you see the metering lamps illuminate, with shades of green,orange,yellow...the yellow knobs fit right in. nico. also, if i'm playing in the live room, it's easy to tell someone who may not be familiar with my rack of pres, but happens to be closer to the outboard rack in the control room to just "crank the second yellow knob a little", rather than "increase the feedback control on the germanium".... |
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24th March 2006
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| Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca.
Posts: 8,853
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HA HA Shaman..You gotta get one now!!!  I'm waitng for the fed ex guy as I type! ...i'ts like waiting for the dope dealer.. I need my gear FIX..NOW!!!   | |
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24th March 2006
| #75 | |
| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2003 Location: So-Cal
Posts: 1,778
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(in between fixing a silicon supplier issue on my end). So you better Bring IT, and share the know , orIwillComeDownThereAnd......................... | |
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24th March 2006
| #76 |
| Lives for gear  Joined: Sep 2005 Location: hell, michigan
Posts: 2,797
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you mean to tell me that there are YELLOW KNOBS and no one has bothered to snap a pic??? 
__________________ 3WO - Mixing Without Tears "Some think I should teach men the way to heaven. But I would rather teach them the way to hell so they'll know how to go around it..." -- Niccolo Machiavelli |
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24th March 2006
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| Gear Head Joined: Mar 2006 Location: London
Posts: 33
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Check out this link ******//www.soundtools.co.uk/Products/Outboard/Pre.htm  | |
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24th March 2006
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| Gear addict  Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 304
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like this... ...just before it went in the rack | |
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24th March 2006
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| Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2005 Location: hell, michigan
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 (mine's still sitting in customs...)  | |
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24th March 2006
| #80 |
| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2003 Location: So-Cal
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It looks great ... Blue backing off set by All Yellow Screen-Print , Matching Yellow knobs with the "GERMANIUM pre amp" / "Chandler Limited "Logo ... |
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24th March 2006
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| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2003 Location: So-Cal
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. Ok ... ok.... OK...I GIVE UP... well I .... I give in , the force is strong in these .. Cant... fight..... anymore... .... and this insatiable Gear-I-tus disease & lust ... So I just ordered them ! 10 minutes ago... Diden't even hear them YET FIRST !!! ManIgotIssuesIneedTosourtOut... . |
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24th March 2006
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| Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2005 Location: hell, michigan
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... i.. i.. want to turn your yellow knobs... "..is that all?" ...no, mistress, i... i... want to pad your output... "..isn't there more?" ..yes, mistress.. i.. i... i... I WANT TO PRESS YOUR THICK SWITCH!! stike | |
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24th March 2006
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| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2003 Location: So-Cal
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24th March 2006
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| Gear Head Joined: Mar 2006 Location: London
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Close up on the yellow Knob <img src="******//soundtools.co.uk/Images_T1/Rollover/preban3.gif"> |
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24th March 2006
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| Gear Head Joined: Mar 2006 Location: London
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It looks good with the yellow writing.
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24th March 2006
| #86 |
| Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 1,289
| Rep you are not alone. I bought a Germanium without listening to it, when I got it I liked it so much I ordered another one. Like I really don't need another pre but what can you do.......no holidays this year, have'nt told my wife yet.tutt Nick |
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24th March 2006
| #87 |
| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2004 Location: Canada
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Maybe I'm the only crazy one here but those yellow knobs make it look like a piece of candy. But in all fairness I could'nt really care if the whole thing was neon pink I still would have bought it, and I did. Enjoy your Germaniums!
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24th March 2006
| #88 |
| Lives for gear Joined: May 2005
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I'm gonna have to custom order the blue knobs so it matches the rest of my Chandler gear. I don't give a crap what it sounds like - if it looks cool, I'll force anything to sound cool |
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24th March 2006
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| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2003 Location: So-Cal
Posts: 1,778
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OR ... Nail polish it RED  .... or make it ruff Mate Blue, ya know all rustic and brokeback... | |
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24th March 2006
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| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2003 Location: So-Cal
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You will always Spot it in a RACK , that is for sure !!! | |
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