4Ch Pre's on Drums -API 3124+ or Vintech 473 or SSL VHD or UA 4-710d

[thegatsby]

Originally Posted by End Over End

Anyone care to comment on these setups? #1#2#3

That looks pretty good man. I prefer API on snare and close mics.

I noticed you didn't have anything for the drum rooms. I am big on using drum rooms even if it is not completely treated properly.

I would suggest some ribbons on the rooms.

If your on a budget check out the cascade fatheads. They are very affordable. I have gotten good results with them. Other Ribbons would be coles 4038 and royer 121's, AEA r84's. I'm also a fan of LDC pointed away from the drum or in the corners. AT 4050's or AKG 414's come to mind.

[T. Morgan]

API all the way!

[End Over End]

Originally Posted by thegatsby

That looks pretty good man. I prefer API on snare and close mics.

I noticed you didn't have anything for the drum rooms. I am big on using drum rooms even if it is not completely treated properly.

I would suggest some ribbons on the rooms.

If your on a budget check out the cascade fatheads. They are very affordable. I have gotten good results with them. Other Ribbons would be coles 4038 and royer 121's, AEA r84's. I'm also a fan of LDC pointed away from the drum or in the corners. AT 4050's or AKG 414's come to mind.

RE: drum room - I have a nice room - not square - treated and only half dead. (brand new build with 6 layers of sheetrock)

[studio825]

Originally Posted by NathanEldred

I prefer Vintech on kick and snare to most faster preamps. It's got a nice subtle saturation to it when lightly pushed.

The vintechs kill on overheads,with a royer sf12.Juggernaut kills on everything else.
API IMO is to slow on snare and kick.I prefer Daking and APA pres on these.

[End Over End]

using 414tl2s for ohds
see the list above for what my system is like

[End Over End]

Originally Posted by studio825

The vintechs kill on overheads,with a royer sf12.Juggernaut kills on everything else.
API IMO is to slow on snare and kick.I prefer Daking and APA pres on these.

I've got my eye on the Juggernaut / Pacifica and Great River.

Im pretty sure this list will suffice for this season.

Manley Voxbox
AMS Neve 1073DPA
Rupert Neve Designs 5024 Quad
API 3124+ with Sure AS14AS Pads
Focusrite Green Range (ISA)
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Soundcraft Ghost LE Console 32-8 for extra pres

[Ward Pike]

Comment on your 3 scenarios? Well for starters, microphone choice makes more of an impact on sound than preamp choice does IMHO. Other posters have stated mic is 90% and the pre is 10%

I would think it's more 75-25 in ratio and when you add a nice comp like an 1176 or an LA2A or an API, then the ratio becomes more 70 mic, 10 comp and 20 pre.

Ok, getting back to microphones. I'm puzzled with the sm57s on toms. That's a sure-fire way to make them sound like old fashioned ice-cream tubs. I don't know of any pre that will save that scenario without extensive EQ and by that time, you would just be wishing you had 3 MD421s anyhoo...

And a c1000 for the hats? Sure, I guess so... I've had moderate success with c1000s as cymbal microphones (mais, a chacun, sa meme) but then you have your u87 as outside kick microphone, indicating that's the most important part of the entire kit sound to you.

I would rather have a mono room sound with the U87 than have a stereo room/overhead sound with cheaper microphones. That's where the bulk of your sound should come from.

Just my opinion, others will vary.

[End Over End]

Thanks all

[motifxf]

Originally Posted by End Over End

Hey All,

Please stick to these mic pre choices only and do not add other mic pre's into this discussion.

Can you describe the differences in these mic pre's if you OWN THEM AND HAVE USED THEM ON POP/ROCK DRUMS please?

I have the Neve 1073DPA and The Portico 5024 on order and need 4 more channels to make recording drums a reality.

Stay the Neveish route with the Vintech 473?
(for congruity)

Should I have the API 3124+ option? used with Sure A15AS output attennuators. (keep in mind it would be blended with Neve somewhere in the tracks to fill out the kit)
API tends to have followers that chant that it is "best on drums" who seem to be mindless non-users going on rumours and legends - is it Hype?

Anyone have the Solid State Logic XLogic Alpha VHD 4-Channel Preamp?

Very few opinions on the UA 4-710d with drums
(we need a brand new thread on it)
Are you tracking drums with this in a 8 mic or more setup?
If so please join in as many are very interested in this new amp.

I have read all that I can find on the forums on this subject, most threads have been hijacked and are incomplete due to off topic suggestions.

Thank you for staying on topic.
Feel free to point me to other threads with samples.

Hello!
Sorry meddle, what is your opinion about Portico 5024? For drums, voice, bass, guitar ...? thanks