Your Favorite 47-style mic...

[mista min]

Hey Langston,

I see where your coming from, but idk if you listened to my shootout. The preamp we used was a GML 2032... that's about as transperant a preamp I've ever used, but it wasn't sterile, just this beautifully open sound.

Peace,
Min

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[illacov]

Originally Posted by mista min

Hey Langston,

I see where your coming from, but idk if you listened to my shootout. The preamp we used was a GML 2032... that's about as transperant a preamp I've ever used, but it wasn't sterile, just this beautifully open sound.

Peace,
Min

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I did listen

I was making that comment as an aside regarding the tone of the old school beasties.

This shootout demonstrates the point I was trying to make I feel. A different preamp with more color would have gotten in the way of the mics sounding their truest.

I stand by my observations.

You can hear the difference in high end on studio monitors and laptop speakers quite easily, maybe I have bat's ears. LOL

Peace
Illumination

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by Sqye

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Thanks, Greg.


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For the record, earlier in the thread someone suggested Dave Pearlman's TM-1 (U47) and I think you misunderstood it to be a TLM-103.

The Pearlman TM-1 is a great mic and VERY different animal than a TLM-103.

(Just didn't want you to miss that one by mistake )

-andrews

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

For the record, earlier in the thread someone suggested Dave Pearlman's TM-1 (U47) and I think you misunderstood it to be a TLM-103.

The Pearlman TM-1 is a great mic and VERY different animal than a TLM-103.

(Just didn't want you to miss that one by mistake )

-andrews

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Thanks, man.

Yes, I know lotsa folks are happy with their Pearlmans!

Look forward to checking them out.


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[TristanHackney]

Get an free original U47 next time the whole of London riots :P

T

[mista min]

No, I hear it too, but some of the differences were due to the oral expression I had on my face when testing. I was smilling when using the 47 so it has some other frequencies regestering. They aren't the same, but they both got the mojo. Heck, the U 87 was cool too

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[Sqye]

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OK, so Gene Lawson checked out my L47MPII for me, and it tested perfectly.

My problem is, I'm comparing the mic to the Groove Tubes GT-67, which has a rather large bump at roughly 10-12kHz (so what else is new, you want something to sound "good", just hype 10-12k, and be done with it!)

Anyway, I'm slinking away with my tail between my legs, because I'm so used to the 10-12k bump (which the 47 doesn't have), that I will sell my Lawson to someone who wants a mic that actually sounds more like a real U47.

After tracking with a 10-12kHz bump for the last 5 years, I can't go back.

I know, it's a bit like choosing a Yugo over a BMW, but what r ya gonna do!

So, I'll likely be listing my L47MPII either here or on E-Bay, or both. If anyone's interested, PM me. I'm not interested in making money on it. I'll just sell it for what I paid for it. It's in PERFECT condition, and just tested by Mr. Lawson himself this week!

Cheers - and many thanks for all your helps guys!


EDIT: To be clear, the L47MPII does have a slight bump at 10kHz, but the GT-67 is roughly flat up to 10kHz, and the bump at and above 10kHz is more substantial. The L47MPII rolls off a few dB above 10kHz, whereas all those highs above 10kHz are hyped on the GT-67. Gene says Groove Tubes did this with a notched (Chinese U87 copy) capsule.

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[ddageek]

Sqye
I'm laughing at all this ( didn't I say a 47ish mic wasn't what you were really after) Im glad you figured it out your quest should be required reading!

Audio rule # 1 Neve knock what works,

# 2 the classics are great , but great mimic is not about sheep doing what other sheep do, it's about individuals .

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by ddageek

Sqye
I'm laughing at all this ( didn't I say a 47ish mic wasn't what you were really after) Im glad you figured it out your quest should be required reading!

Audio rule # 1 Neve knock what works,

# 2 the classics are great , but great mimic is not about sheep doing what other sheep do, it's about individuals .

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Well said, man!...hey, it's all about the marketing, right!

To be clear, though - the reason I was originally interested in Lawson's 47, was that I picked it off of Lynn Fuston's Mic Shootout CD,
which is the SAME CD I found my GT-67 on. Although, I did like the GT-67 mostly better on that recording. I was my favorite mic.

And that was a blind listening test. I was only using my ears. No marketing involved.

However, the problem with mic shootouts (and there are several) is that if you hear a dark mic before a brighter mic,
then the brighter mic sounds EVEN BRIGHTER than it normally would (this is just one example).

Anyway, at the end of the day, I can TOTALLY see why the 47 is such a classic mic for kick -
especially with a pronounced beater, I could see the 47 taming that nicely with the tube.

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[Musiclab]

Originally Posted by Sqye

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OK, so Gene Lawson checked out my L47MPII for me, and it tested perfectly.

My problem is, I'm comparing the mic to the Groove Tubes GT-67, which has a rather large bump at roughly 10-12kHz (so what else is new, you want something to sound "good", just hype 10-12k, and be done with it!)

Anyway, I'm slinking away with my tail between my legs, because I'm so used to the 10-12k bump (which the 47 doesn't have), that I will sell my Lawson to someone who wants a mic that actually sounds more like a real U47.

After tracking with a 10-12kHz bump for the last 5 years, I can't go back.

I know, it's a bit like choosing a Yugo over a BMW, but what r ya gonna do!

So, I'll likely be listing my L47MPII either here or on E-Bay, or both. If anyone's interested, PM me. I'm not interested in making money on it. I'll just sell it for what I paid for it. It's in PERFECT condition, and just tested by Mr. Lawson himself this week!

Cheers - and many thanks for all your helps guys!


EDIT: To be clear, the L47MPII does have a slight bump at 10kHz, but the GT-67 is roughly flat up to 10kHz, and the bump at and above 10kHz is more substantial. The L47MPII rolls off a few dB above 10kHz, whereas all those highs above 10kHz are hyped on the GT-67. Gene says Groove Tubes did this with a notched (Chinese U87 copy) capsule.

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Obviously what you were really looking for was something more in the C12 251 vibe. The Tele AR51 has this and even better from the clips I heard is the Tele 513. I got an AR51 and for this one artist that I was looking for this type of mic it's very good. But somewhere down the road I might get this updated to a 513, it's a little closer to the 251 in the upper mids. You shpuld probably be looking at that or asking Gene Lawson about his 251 head for your mic, or look at the Peluso 22-251 or the P12. There are plenty others of that flavor around

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by Musiclab

Obviously what you were really looking for was something more in the C12 251 vibe. The Tele AR51 has this and even better from the clips I heard is the Tele 513. I got an AR51 and for this one artist that I was looking for this type of mic it's very good. But somewhere down the road I might get this updated to a 513, it's a little closer to the 251 in the upper mids. You shpuld probably be looking at that or asking Gene Lawson about his 251 head for your mic, or look at the Peluso 22-251 or the P12. There are plenty others of that flavor around

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Thanks, man - yes, you are 100% correct. I'm curious to try the other mics you're talking about, as well.

Well, I'm currently back in sw library and custom monitor controller land.

Next is ADC/DACs.

So, when I return to microphones, sometime this century, I'll be psyched to check out the C-12/251 vibe!

There was a studio I worked in regularly about 10-15 years ago which had a C-12 that I liked a lot.

Although, I was tracking a lot of female vocals and horns then, so it was generally a bit bright for my taste.

Thinking about it now, it probably would work a lot better for male vox.

Thanks, yo!


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[Piedpiper]

Originally Posted by Musiclab

...or look at the Peluso 22-251 or the P12. ...

or Peluso VTB.

[ddageek]

If you have trouble selling the Lawson consider the 251 head, not a 251 but the vibe is their.
As far as shoot outs my favorite is to hang a bunch for 1 take, or keep up one mic in the same position as reference from take to take!
Also doing mic demos you start to realize
1 most have very little idea what sounds like what
2 one persons bright is another persons right
3 singers have a totally different idea of how they sound or how they want to sound

Going in blind is probably the best bet. The best way to use a place like this is to reference something you know and how you hear it to how somebody else hear it and still take it with a grain of salt!

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by ddageek

If you have trouble selling the Lawson consider the 251 head, not a 251 but the vibe is their.
As far as shoot outs my favorite is to hang a bunch for 1 take, or keep up one mic in the same position as reference from take to take!
Also doing mic demos you start to realize
1 most have very little idea what sounds like what
2 one persons bright is another persons right
3 singers have a totally different idea of how they sound or how they want to sound

Going in blind is probably the best bet. The best way to use a place like this is to reference something you know and how you hear it to how somebody else hear it and still take it with a grain of salt!

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Absolutely, agreed 10000000000%

And yes, we will consider swapping Lawson's 47 for his 251 (or buying the capsule, etc.)

But of course, you're correct. I'm essentially looking for the sound of the mic I already own -
in either an accurate reproduction or some kind of enhanced version.

So, if it ain't broke...

I've been curious to try the L47MP for 5 years now, so I did. Again, because it's a mic I'd already liked on a recording.

I don't typically get too revved up by hype here. So this was not my motivation. My ears provided the motivation.

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[ddageek]

Plus the Lawsons are Soooo nice!
Gene and Gail make you feel like your family has grown!
I don't think of the Lawson system as a 47 or 251, I think it's a great system, that gets you into the ball park of a Couple of great mics for a Bargain , every combination of Lawson I have heard is Great on it's own merit, not if I'm looking for something to nail a 47, 47 fet or 251! Like it for what it is! Not what you want it to be!

[Sqye]

Originally Posted by ddageek

Plus the Lawsons are Soooo nice!
Gene and Gail make you feel like your family has grown!
I don't think of the Lawson system as a 47 or 251, I think it's a great system, that gets you into the ball park of a Couple of great mics for a Bargain , every combination of Lawson I have heard is Great on it's own merit, not if I'm looking for something to nail a 47, 47 fet or 251! Like it for what it is! Not what you want it to be!

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Plus a million. The Lawsons are Awson.

Gene obviously has a serious passion for what he does.

Again, the L47MP is a great mic. I was just looking for something brighter around 10-12kHz.

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[Fezzle]

The Telefunken AR51 could be a great choice if your a high tenor, Im not too sure about the part itself but others on GS have talked about a mod that telefunken can do apperently with a capsule upgrade it can sound miles better too, with great shape and compelling mid range presence