Another Neve clone company

[ninjadave]

Hey all you little Ninja,

found this clone sh*t on the neve website

http://www.ams-neve.com/html/news/clonewars.php

Made me laugh. Do you think they will stick a picture of my Vintech modules on the webpage?

Maybe my Neve Campbell as welll.... you never know.

he he

Ninja Dave

[allencollins]

If someone was out cloning macs theyd shut them down in a day
In some ways it's good there are neve clones. But I also think it is too bad that the creative people that invented the original circuitry don't make a dime from the cloners.

If someone was milking my designs I'd be pissed.

[Joel_Thomas]

Originally Posted by allencollins

If someone was out cloning macs theyd shut them down in a day
In some ways it's good there are neve clones. But I also think it is too bad that the creative people that invented the original circuitry don't make a dime from the cloners.

If someone was milking my designs I'd be pissed.

Chances are if they can't shut them down, someone didn't do their legal homework. Why do you think there's so many Fender clones out there? Fender invented the Stratocaster (or atleast release it...) in 1953. They really took no major legal action on the old crappy "made in Japan" (...remember those days?) knockoffs. I'm pretty sure it was the 70's and the aftermarket parts that made them take notice (...along with companies like Ibanez making "clones"). They basically let years go by before they took major action and all they really own is the headstock design. Some circuits (...like most Fender amp circuits) are practically public domain. Pretty much all Fender owns is trademards like "Twin Reverb", "Deluxe Reverb", etc. You notice there isn't any Rickenbacker clones? Ric sues everyone and their dog that even tries to build anything that resembles their product. They've done this since day one and they've succeded. You noticed Behringer has been sued by everyone from Mackie to god knows who else. Probably because Mackie has done a pretty good job protecting their circuits. Anyone dealing with "clones" really didn't take care of other areas of business. Maybe it was a simpler time, like when people didn't lock their doors. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure they'd sue if they could...

[allencollins]

Originally Posted by Joel_Thomas

Chances are if they can't shut them down, someone didn't do their legal homework. Why do you think there's so many Fender clones out there? Fender invented the Stratocaster (or atleast release it...) in 1953. They really took no major legal action on the old crappy "made in Japan" (...remember those days?) knockoffs. I'm pretty sure it was the 70's and the aftermarket parts that made them take notice (...along with companies like Ibanez making "clones"). They basically let years go by before they took major action and all they really own is the headstock design. Some circuits (...like most Fender amp circuits) are practically public domain. Pretty much all Fender owns is trademards like "Twin Reverb", "Deluxe Reverb", etc. You notice there isn't any Rickenbacker clones? Ric sues everyone and their dog that even tries to build anything that resembles their product. They've done this since day one and they've succeded. You noticed Behringer has been sued by everyone from Mackie to god knows who else. Probably because Mackie has done a pretty good job protecting their circuits. Anyone dealing with "clones" really didn't take care of other areas of business. Maybe it was a simpler time, like when people didn't lock their doors. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure they'd sue if they could...

Agreed. I think the problem is alot of these circuits were patented way back but the patents expire.


Atleast AMS has a sense of humor. I'd be pissed

[mtstudios@charter]

The way to counter that is for Neve to make Neve clones.

[nethereyes]

Originally Posted by mtstudi@pacbell

The way to counter that is for Neve to make Neve clones.

I thought that is what they were already doing?

[allencollins]

Originally Posted by mtstudi@pacbell

The way to counter that is for Neve to make Neve clones.

Ive used some of the new AMS-Neve units. They are as good as any of the other clones. I still don't think they have the exact textures as the oldies. They sound like the Wunders a bit

[Thermionic]

Probably because Mackie has done a pretty good job protecting their circuits

Sadly, Mackie didn't do a good job protecting their IP, and the lawsuit was effectively a stalemate with no result for Mackie... The judge insinuated Mackie had a good case, but he couldn't rule in their favour and criticised Mackie for not being more thorough in their IP protection...

Sad but true... If Mackie had done a better job at protecting their designs it would have done us all a favour and bankrupted Ulli-the-unscrupulous.



I posted a link to the court minutes a while back (try a search if you can be bothered); there's a precis here: http://www.vennershipley.co.uk/Libra...0news%2014.pdf




Justin

[heyman]

I am sorry, but to see some pro audio places selling a pair of Racked Neves for
$7500.00 is just utterly ridiculous. Its a fukin preamp..

I say bring on the clones..

If chamelon labs 7602 can produce a clone that does 90- 95% of what a 1073 can do, I say Bring it on..

How much of that 7500.00 is going in Ruperts pocket.

Bullshit. fuuck

[crypticglobe]

Originally Posted by heyman

I am sorry, but to see some pro audio places selling a pair of Racked Neves for
$7500.00 is just utterly ridiculous. Its a fukin preamp..

I say bring on the clones..

If chamelon labs 7602 can produce a clone that does 90- 95% of what a 1073 can do, I say Bring it on..

How much of that 7500.00 is going in Ruperts pocket.

Bullshit. fuuck

Is that speculation about the Chameleon labs piece or do you have one? I have yet to see a review of it that says it's in the same sonic territory of an actual 1073. It's kinda ugly too... lol. I will say that $799.00 would be a good price for a high quality pre-amp/eq though.... if it's a high quality preamp/eq.

I haven't heard it... so ain't dissing it... all I know about it is the advertising at this point.

[heyman]

I dont believe all reviews, but Tape op just ran a review in their last magazine.

[ToddS]

Interesting about the Mackie case. I just wonder how much of a Neve design could really be patented anyway. How unique was it really, or was it how it was implemented? It seems he could have kept tighter control over the use of his name as a brand and pushed these things farther away from him....then again, maybe they are all licencing the use of "Neve clone".....

[insider]

Interesting... but there's is more:

Checkout http://www.audio-oracle.com/oracle/s...?p=120#post120

seems like all is not what it seems - does this apply to the rest of the product?

Insider (IP address supplied)

[bongo]

I love the way this thread is going. I guess nobody looked at the link on the first post. Classic GS!

[pigpen]

I'd eat there just in case some kind of voodoo comes thru osmosis....

[Knastratt]

Originally Posted by ninjadave

found this clone sh*t on the neve website

What's the headroom? Like 9 feet?

[mr.gefell]

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2...?fromrelated=1