Best Outboard EQ for Master Bus
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Best Outboard EQ for Master Bus

If you could pick one outboard EQ for your Master Bus, what would it be? Let's keep the budget at say, $5,000 give or take a grand or two...

Or perhaps you prefer software?

Perhaps there's a thread already like this that I didn't see when I did a rough search?

Any Pres/Comps that you couldn't live without to supplement/compliment your EQ choice?
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Great River EQ2NV through a Roll Music RMS755 is what I've been using lately on 2 bus for actual mix. Then Trakkers or a Buzz SOC 1.1 for mastering (compression) and Millennia NSEQ-2 and/or Ibis for EQ in mastering (we master our own stuff).
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[QUOTE=jaysunice]If you could pick one outboard EQ for your Master Bus, what would it be? Let's keep the budget at say, $5,000 give or take a grand or two...
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In analog, it would have to be the GML 8200, perhaps the most used buss EQ ever [5k].
In digital, the Weiss EQ1Mk2 is pretty popular among mastering folks [3.5K]. You can upgrade it later to linear phase and/or dynamic EQ variants....

Brad
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For pop music in general, I've chosen the Avalon AD2055 for its particular sound. I've only compared it to the Manley Massive Passive, though, which I prefer for a less hyped sound.
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Crane Song IBIS, or Millenia NSEQ-2....
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another vote for the IBIS... I leave it in on the main buss even when note using the eq because it's adds width to the stereo field in an always pleasing way.
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GML 8200
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If you could pick one outboard EQ for your Master Bus, what would it be? Let's keep the budget at say, $5,000 give or take a grand or two...
A mastering Sontec or a pair of Pultecs.

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Or perhaps you prefer software?
Uh...no!!!


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Perhaps there's a thread already like this that I didn't see when I did a rough search?

Yes there is.



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Any Pres/Comps that you couldn't live without to supplement/compliment your EQ choice?
Pre's on the mixbuss?
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May I be so bold to suggest if one needs a stereo EQ to "fix" the stereo buss mix, maybe the mix needs more work? If one is in a corrective EQ situation, one may need to ask if this mix is ready for prime time. To need EQ on a finished mix to me is an admission that something is wrong there...

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IBIS for clean corrective tasks.
or
Thermionics Pullet (passive EQ)+Earlybird2 (line amp+active EQ) - simply amazing.
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Millennia NSEQ works for me.
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May I be so bold to suggest if one needs a stereo EQ to "fix" the stereo buss mix, maybe the mix needs more work? If one is in a corrective EQ situation, one may need to ask if this mix is ready for prime time. To need EQ on a finished mix to me is an admission that something is wrong there...

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It's not really there to 'fix' things, it's there for creative embellishment and making things easier. It's broad gentle sweeps, kind of a pre mastering and a way to let the individual EQ's do less or different work. You have to really know what you're doing with it and be conservative with it too as it's easy to over do. The 2 bus EQ is kind of the same principle as mixing into a 2 bus compressor in my eyes, the two bus EQ goes to give the mix a homogonized consistency, but to each his own.
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May I be so bold to suggest if one needs a stereo EQ to "fix" the stereo buss mix, maybe the mix needs more work? If one is in a corrective EQ situation, one may need to ask if this mix is ready for prime time. To need EQ on a finished mix to me is an admission that something is wrong there...

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No, you may not be. This is definitely not always the case. As a mixer, you sometimes get things that have been recorded with a certain sonic character that permeates all the sounds -- depending on who did it, how it was done, and the type of equipment used. Sometimes it is better to get everything to work together as a whole and then fine tune the whole thing with EQ, as opposed to trying to dig it out of every individual sound. Sometimes hitting the stereo buss hard to get a desired effect rounds off the top end too much, so adding an EQ to brighten it up makes sense. Sometimes it just SOUNDS better when you add or remove a touch of something at the very end.

It's only wrong when it doesn't sound good in the end.

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No, you may not be. This is definitely not always the case. As a mixer, you sometimes get things that have been recorded with a certain sonic character that permeates all the sounds -- depending on who did it, how it was done, and the type of equipment used. Sometimes it is better to get everything to work together as a whole and then fine tune the whole thing with EQ, as opposed to trying to dig it out of every individual sound. Sometimes hitting the stereo buss hard to get a desired effect rounds off the top end too much, so adding an EQ to brighten it up makes sense. Sometimes it just SOUNDS better when you add or remove a touch of something at the very end.

It's only wrong when it doesn't sound good in the end.

John
Agreed. For example, when recording all acoustic sources in a relatively small room, it's very easy to end up with tracks that in general lack some high-end. I would prefer to add a gentle high-shelf on the mixbus instead of adding highs to all single tracks.

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You Ibis guys Keep your eyes out for the new Inward Connections DEQ-4p..
Absolutely fukkin great..thumbsup..
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How about the Avalon?
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You Ibis guys Keep your eyes out for the new Inward Connections DEQ-4p..
Absolutely fukkin great..thumbsup..
What's the price on it?
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What's the price on it?

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You Ibis guys Keep your eyes out for the new Inward Connections DEQ-4p..
Absolutely fukkin great..thumbsup..
Never ending race, hopefully we'll see something really improved, instead of just next great box
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pair of Pultec EQP-1a(s) or 1a3(s)
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Quote from the owner of Australias largest mastering facility,this was his comment on a similar eq thread on another forum. Rick's mastered about 7000 records and produced many also.


"just to mix it up
i have never mixed a record without a compresser and then an eq across the mix, the eq sorts out what the compresser messes up.
very common approach.

one phase coherent boost on the stereo buss is better the twenty five miss guided ones on the console strips when trying to brighten something up .

whats better still is recording stuff that does not need eq ! Rick O'neil"

Well Rick is one of the best and I take this as good advice.
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You Ibis guys Keep your eyes out for the new Inward Connections DEQ-4p..
Absolutely fukkin great..thumbsup..
DEQ-4p. Haven't heard it. But it sounds promising. That and a pair of Pultec EQP1-a would something to consider.
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Loooove the NTI EQ3 (the 2 RU), but would also like a Sontec 250 or mastering EQ. That Inward connections EQ looks amazing! Steve does some amazing work!

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Loooove the NTI EQ3 (the 2 RU), but would also like a Sontec 250 or mastering EQ. That Inward connections EQ looks amazing! Steve does some amazing work!

Ryan Hewitt

I was beginning to think I was the only one with an EQ3 on 2 bus
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Do you have the Earlybird and the Pullet? How is the Pullet?


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IBIS for clean corrective tasks.
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Thermionics Pullet (passive EQ)+Earlybird2 (line amp+active EQ) - simply amazing.
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If you could pick one outboard EQ for your Master Bus, what would it be? Let's keep the budget at say, $5,000 give or take a grand or two...

What do you want it to do ?



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In analog, it would have to be the GML 8200, perhaps the most used buss EQ ever
You think?
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Do you have the Earlybird and the Pullet? How is the Pullet?
Earlybird2 , but Pullet still on order, have heard both in UK and decided to add it compared to Massive and Mini Massive in same room, I was convinced enough to take Thermionics over Manley.
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And there is the possibility of the upcoming Buzz Audio Class A Resonance EQ (probably available Summer '06).

http://www.buzzaudio.com/products/whatsnew.htm
Hi, Nathan.

Do you know which will be the aproximate price?.

I've got a MA2.2 (from you, remember?) and I'm very happy.
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