24th January 2006
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#1 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Thread Starter | Oram "Light" automated console
This new console looks interesting! Total automation I suppose? Instant reset and recall?
Maybe John Oram himself will drop by and tell us more techical details and in depth info....?
Cheers,
.....and more pix please!!
Last edited by Lindell; 24th January 2006 at 01:27 AM..
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24th January 2006
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#2 | | Moderator
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I don't see no master section ? Is that modular? or what's new...?
Last edited by Lindell; 24th January 2006 at 01:17 AM..
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24th January 2006
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#3 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Lindell I don't see no master section ? |
All that un-used space is to add "air" to the mix.
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24th January 2006
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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It's the CTM
CTM = completly transparent mastersection
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24th January 2006
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#5 | | Gear addict
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What ever it is it's around 60k. I'd like more details
I'm pretty sure that space is for the computer monitor for your DAW  I see no other reason why the keyboard and mouse would be their unless the console has a cpu?
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24th January 2006
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by KurtR I'm pretty sure that space is for the computer monitor for your DAW |
I figured...you can see a screen in the picture....
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24th January 2006
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#7 | | Gear interested
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for the questions.
Have to make the answers brief tonight. It's nearly 2 am and that's my working day nearly over.
We showed "The Light" at AES NYC in 2005 to get some feedback from some pro's and not so pro's alike. We left the master section out and tried a fresh design approach. We have modules that would make-up a master section already designed and at the show had drawings of what is possible.
I'm hoping to offer this board into three (or more) sales areas, music recording / mixing, broadcast and theatre. They all need input channels and these we thought were done. As it happens, several good ideas came off the floor and so we added some features and these were completed this week.
The master section will be assembled according to each customer's requirements.
Several guys from the PT / ITB brigade said they liked the board as is with just a remix buss added (5.1 ready, some only wanted stereo, Les Paul was happy with mono  ) ) so they use the channels to track using direct outs and mix to the buss. FX coming back to channels rather than a dedicated return module.
We're working flat out to get a fully working board to Frankfurt then AES PARIS and of course AES San Fran in October.
I'll get some specs and features up here in the next day or so.
It's all analogue under digital management.
16 channels as in the pic with CPU loaded with Logic is listing at $57,800
Will tell more later.
JWO
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24th January 2006
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#8 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Thread Starter | Quote: |
Originally Posted by JOHN ORAM We left the master section out and tried a fresh design approach. We have modules that would make-up a master section already designed and at the show had drawings of what is possible......The master section will be assembled according to each customer's requirements.
16 channels as in the pic with CPU loaded with Logic is listing at $57,800
Will tell more later.
JWO | Sweet.....
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24th January 2006
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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heard it at AES, along with all the room noise. from what little i could make out it sounded nice, EQ was responsive, trident-like, compressors were punchy. had no gates... but i was told it could be possible to put them in.
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24th January 2006
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#10 | | Gear interested
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We took notes at the AES and improved dynamics came top of the list. So we've made those mods. We have a couple of function switches on the panel that enable via software additional hardware (analogue of course). To make sure we get it all in there, what spec for that section would you like to see.
The beauty of this format of console is the control surface can be used to make many things happen so customisation is a key feature to purchasers.
We have a basic shortform brochure in pdf format that I will post a link to later.
JWO
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24th January 2006
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#11 | | Gear interested
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BTW, who's the 15 year old kid in the picture on the left?
I think Jules put that up there.
NOW CHANGED TO THE OLD MAN
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24th January 2006
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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I'm sure some guys would like to have the possibility to programm shortcuts for PT or other similar software.
wtf why not make it control PT?
I'm sure Digi isn't very fond of the idea but if you can make it happen ...
Jo
PS: most important thing: make it sound good and working without maintenance troubles
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24th January 2006
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#13 | | Gear addict
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Hi John
Hope you're well and not too lagged - when will we see your Series 48 kicking ass in the major installations?
Tony G says Hi!!
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24th January 2006
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#14 | | Gear interested
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Yes Jo, wtf not make it control everything out there. At the first showing it was talking and listening to Logic Audio, but our digi team have PT in mind and we'd be silly not to. Naturally, you'll note we target our price close to the AWS900 and we will offer all that does with the HUGE plus of total reset, or Total Operational Recall(R) as we call it. More about that when we get closer to Frankfurt.
As to audio quality, this is my domain and the signal path compares accurately with our largest boards. The digitally controlled resistor, no VCA's or motor pots (except the faders) have all contributed to this.
We still record analogue in our studios "The Analogue Barn" which apart from operating commercially has always been my perfect test bed for all new designs.
Analogue is still the ultimate audio quality reference and "The Light" channel path handles it well.
Serviceability is also easier with The Light as in development we wrote a diagnostic programme that checks all functions and flags up anything not in spec.
This will come with every board.
JWO
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24th January 2006
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#15 | | Gear interested
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Hi Andy,
Good hearing from you again and return my good wishes to Tony.
Series 48 has grown into "The Light" due to technology changes, obsolete chips etc and has been a project of a new company I formed a few years back: ORAM DIGITAL DEVELOPMENTS LTD
We showed a proto at AES NYC last October and production commences in March.
JOHN
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24th January 2006
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#16 | | Moderator
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John,
Could you runs us thru the channel module features? And maybe sneak in a close up picture........ =)
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25th January 2006
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#18 | | Gear interested
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| another picture ...........
here's another light pic
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2nd September 2006
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#19 | | Moderator
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Any progress on this one?
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2nd September 2006
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#20 | | Gear interested
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It's just finished and will be at AES San Fran complete with master section.
New brochure coming too and available in 3 weeks.
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3rd September 2006
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#21 | | Lives for gear
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Guys, stop joking and wait for the console!
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3rd September 2006
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#22 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Nutmeg II. It's the CTM
CTM = completly transparent mastersection | Hey Nutmeg! Hope all is well.
Hehe, yer avatar STIll totally cracks me up. Just made my day.
I don't get it, a console desk as big as my bed yet only like 16 faders...
__________________ C'mon! "Soon, no one will have to DO anything." |
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5th September 2006
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#23 | | Gear Guru
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Originally Posted by dasoundjunkie Don't know about the rest of you but I trust Fletcher's opinion of all things ORAM in general, but that's just me!  | Trusting anyone in the taste department is the castration of self ... not a good idea unless you're into that sorta thing. Fletcher would be the first to tell you that listening is the only way to decide anything ... on this we can all agree ... and you nor anyone else has heard this product in action.
Having said that, the surface mount sounds of some earlier EQs and pres were nothing special. Let's hope this sounds better. It's getting close to the SSL 900+ price point so it had better rock ...
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5th September 2006
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#24 | | Pragmatic Snob
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Originally Posted by lucey Let's hope this sounds better. It's getting close to the SSL 900+ price point so it had better rock ... |
fascinating to me that it's beyond the daking price point. i know, i know... two very different products/markets. i just keep thinking 'tone', and the daking wipes the floor in that department.
i'm heading into serious console withdrawal, the sidecar isn't curbing the jones anymore. must... eliminate... stems.....
gregoire
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5th September 2006
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#25 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by u b i k fascinating to me that it's beyond the daking price point. i know, i know... two very different products/markets. i just keep thinking 'tone', and the daking wipes the floor in that department. | speaking of which they were talking of a resettable daking last AES. would that be cool or what? the oram i have to say was trident- like sounding. comps, but no gates though.  anyway hopefully someone' ll come out with a 'cooked cake' soon. Quote:
i'm heading into serious console withdrawal, the sidecar isn't curbing the jones anymore. must... eliminate... stems.....
gregoire
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| oh yeah. vein- slapping reflex whenever i see a pic of a nice big board.
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6th September 2006
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#26 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by davidwilson  wake up fella, havn't ya heard thay shitting on Mr Oram aint cool now.We just found out all the Pro's are using this stuff so it's all good now.
So what a coupple a ex buissiness partners had a falling out and it got ugly.
Who's the one throwing the dirt? | Like I said ,my problem with the man stems from his attitude not his products. anyone who happens to disagree with his way of doing things can tell you that he goes from very kind to rude as hell before you can blink. To clarify , a few years ago I had several conversations with him regarding the possibility of purchasing a console for the studio I was putting together , I then proceeded to call a couple of studios that had the consoles in use and asked "What do you think?" The answer was not what I expected and consisted of the fallowing:"When it works it's great sonically , but it has proven unreliable and getting Oram to service the board (parts ect.) has been very hard" Now at this point it raised concerns for me because I live in Puerto Rico and if studios in California where having service issues I figured the same or worse would apply to me. Ifigured that if I was going to spend 50 grand on a cosole I wanted to make sure that if it broke down my ass would be covered. So, I called Mr. Oram asking about the things I'd learned and 'lo and behold, suddenly he wasn't interested in any more conversation! He was very, let's say brief, and hung up. At an AES show in New York I saw him and figured what the hell, just because I didn't buy the board doesn't mean I can't say hi. I attempted to do this and once I identified myself he looked me up and down and turned his back on me. NOW, this is the reason I think he's an ASSHOLE ,it just so happens that although it's for different reasons , Fletcher and I came to the same conclusion!
'Nuff said!
By the way my name is Leo Alvarez(just to be honest)
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6th September 2006
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#27 | | Lives for gear
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Where there's smoke theres fire I agree.
But this seems to be a bitter falling between Mr Oram and Mr Toft. A bit like Paris Hilton and Nichole Richie
A few well respected industry pro's have accused Mr Oram or some dogy practices. As to the motivation behind this I cannot say nor can many others who HAVE commented.
I myself and a few others have used this gear with no issues and infact sounds quite good.I know of a coupple of people who have spoke to him and say hes quite a nice bloke.
As for: Father of British EQ yeh it's a big claim but I've heard much bigger.
I'm all for outing the crooks in this industry (and there are many) but my gut feeling it that there is something else to this and Mr Oram seems big enough not to sling the mud back.
If I am wrong I would need better proof the what I've seen so far.
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6th September 2006
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#28 | | Gear addict
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I think the issue has to do more with disrespect and malice rather than your opinion about something. You certainly have a right to not like Mr. Oram and his products, but it went further than that. No person or company can please everyone and sometimes GS becomes an avenue for revenge. In addition, Mr. Oram did not start this thread and was asked to participate by the moderator, I hardly call that advertising. In any case, I respect that your experiences with Oram have not been good.
Art
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6th September 2006
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#29 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by not_so_new
thumbsup (I am sure this post will be deleted to right.... ) | thats right.....
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6th September 2006
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#30 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Art I think the issue has to do more with disrespect and malice rather than your opinion about something. You certainly have a right to not like Mr. Oram and his products, but it went further than that. No person or company can please everyone and sometimes GS becomes an avenue for revenge. In addition, Mr. Oram did not start this thread and was asked to participate by the moderator, I hardly call that advertising. In any case, I respect that your experiences with Oram have not been good.
Art | As I said to Lindel when he PMd me to apologise for removing my post , If Mr. Oram wants respect he should learn to be a little more respectfull himself!
I thought my experience with him wasn't the norm until I joined Gear Slutz. I'm really surprised that a single human being can generate so much animosity! But as was stated before where there is smoke there is fire |
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