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Your late... for 4weeks already. There is already a Thread (second with out the nonsens) in the new hardware product section.
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But it hasn't REALLY been discussed until it's been discussed in the High End forum.

OK, here's my question: is this a 1608 killer? The 16 channel Custom 75 lists @ $7K less than the 1608. And unlike the 1608, the Custom 75 is in-line.

If it's not a 1608 killer (there will always be API & 500 series fans), is it a Neve Genesys killer?
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Pretty cool feature set. Class A 1081 seems interesting too.
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Does it really need to "kill" anything? Can't it just be what it is?
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Kill

By "kill" I mean in the marketplace. If you were building out a new room, which console would you lean towards?
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I understand what you meant. Isn't it a little early to see what "kills" in the marketplace? Check back in 3 years, and the verdict will have been given.

The reality is, at this price point and in this studio economy, the amount of these consoles heading into the marketplace can be counted on your hands and toes. They are not being sold by the dozens - and certainly not in the hundreds like they would have been 20 years ago.

But to answer your question, if I were building a new room, most likely neither. There are a lot of great used consoles that can be had for a fraction of the price with significantly better esthetics and functionality (at least for me). For instance, a couple of days ago, I was PM'd by a guy asking if $6k was a good price for a fully loaded Orion. That coupled with a few API and/or Neve outboard pre's would be the best case scenario for me.
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But it hasn't REALLY been discussed until it's been discussed in the High End forum.

OK, here's my question: is this a 1608 killer? The 16 channel Custom 75 lists @ $7K less than the 1608. And unlike the 1608, the Custom 75 is in-line.

If it's not a 1608 killer (there will always be API & 500 series fans), is it a Neve Genesys killer?
I think being in line and less money is a huge plus. Of course, I work kind of old school, and I won't be buying a console any time soon, so I'm not sure if my response matters.
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I will check the other thread to see if anyone else picked up on this.. but there was one thing (really the only thing) I heard on the videos that was a complete deal breaker. The guy doing the demo said if you wanted the sound of the output transformer, you go through the mix bus, but if you want the transformerless, cleaner sound.... you go through the direct out. I can find nowhere online an explanation of the inputs/outputs... but it sounds very much like you will only benefit from the output transformer if you are hitting the mix buss, which makes impossible to record several tracks at the same time using output transformers! Seriously?!?!?! That would be CRAZY! (in a really bad way)
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That is a little confusing. My take on what he's saying is that if you want the clean sound, you come out of the direct outs (pre-transformer). If you want a transformer, you come out after the 1081 line amps. The point is: it's your choice. I don't think he's saying that you have to go through the mix bus to get a transformer -- he's just using the mix bus as an example.
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That is a little confusing. My take on what he's saying is that if you want the clean sound, you come out of the direct outs (pre-transformer). If you want a transformer, you come out after the 1081 line amps. The point is: it's your choice. I don't think he's saying that you have to go through the mix bus to get a transformer -- he's just using the mix bus as an example.
thats exactly what i got too.

the inline monitoring really makes this a more appealing option than the 1608 to my group
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gotta love these gearslutz tire kicking speculation threads.
which is better,kills the other,etc.folks arguing about gear they've never heard /used..yet.


no one has heard this thing in real recording scenario yet..but yeah based on the specs it looks alright.of course a boatload of bells n' whistles/features don't mean jack if it doesn't sound good.
in person[like the Genesys] it felt kinda flimsy tho,especially the pots.

I'm sure SSL advocate Jindrich will chime in about the 948 shortly

when I hear one in a good listening environment I'll gladly chime in and compare it to my 1608.

let the fight begin lol
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By "kill" I mean in the marketplace. If you were building out a new room, which console would you lean towards?
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I look at it and feel that if it's the same type of build as the 8816, I'm out. The 8816 knobs feel different, are off from each each, etc.

I do like the idea of having a FULL ANALOG console with NO daw function. This can keep it 'timeless'. This is one of the attractions of the 1608 to me.

Wait until this thing ships, hear some owner opinions, and try it out in the studio or demo rooms -- we'll know then if it's all it's supposed to be or...
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I will check the other thread to see if anyone else picked up on this.. but there was one thing (really the only thing) I heard on the videos that was a complete deal breaker. The guy doing the demo said if you wanted the sound of the output transformer, you go through the mix bus, but if you want the transformerless, cleaner sound.... you go through the direct out. I can find nowhere online an explanation of the inputs/outputs... but it sounds very much like you will only benefit from the output transformer if you are hitting the mix buss, which makes impossible to record several tracks at the same time using output transformers! Seriously?!?!?! That would be CRAZY! (in a really bad way)

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I must have watched a different video because my interpetation was that the pre fade insertion (ie post the channel output transformer) was electronically balanced and, if you wanted to skip that aspect... don't use the insertion. The transformer was always there?

I think that point is creeping into audiophile paranoia as the insert send is probably something like a That Inc 1646 or similar and would add diddly squat to the sound of the LO2567 output transfornmer.

Just my interpretation.

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AES San Francisco 2010.

I had the opportunity to "play" with the 75 at the SAE Institute where it was shown in a demo room. Strangely, my first impression was that the 75 was a hybrid made out of 8801 strips and some Genesys parts put togheter.
I'm not a fan of multifonction assignable switches accessible by the master section...It is not practical in a real session , and not freelance friendly. And it always seems to me that this design's only purpose is to save space and cost by reducing the number of pots and switches...
The console felt a bit "plastic" but was probably not a definitive and final commercial version...
It isn't clear yet if it is in fact a Neve board built by SAE's team, or if it only uses Neve's technologie with SAE's expertise and Neve logo...
Can't tell you about the sound... It was not setup properly for a good evaluation...
By comparison, the API 1608 and Rupert's 5088 feel much more sturdy
and practical...It is , of course, my personnal opinion...

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AES San Francisco 2010.

It isn't clear yet if it is in fact a Neve board built by SAE's team, or if it only uses Neve's technologie with SAE's expertise and Neve logo...
If I'm not mistaken I think SAE owns Neve so for all intent purposes they are all the same people. I found an article on it I posted below. I guess in the end I just want to hear what it sounds like then we can all decide if this is just hype or the real deal.

The SAE Group, the world's largest creative media educator with over 50 campuses in 26 different countries, today announced it has introduced the Neve Genesys Console along with a range of new & classic Neve Outboard equipment into several of its SAE Institute campuses worldwide. Recent deliveries and installations have included campuses & facilities in Oxford, London, Byron Bay, San Francisco, Istanbul, Melbourne, Cape Town, Vienna, Amman, Amsterdam, Berlin & Dubai. Future expansion of SAE and proposed deliveries of AMS Neve equipment is also in planning for new SAE facilities in Singapore, Jakarta, Beirut, Cairo & Tokyo, Chicago, Seattle, Austin, Mexico City, Rio Di Janeiro
Romy Hawatt, Managing Director of SAE International FZ-LLC said: “There must not be any compromise in the quality & training provided to SAE students worldwide. The SAE Group is continuously assessing, upgrading and developing it's curriculum, educational & commercial recording facilities to align it's students & clients to the real-world of creative media, entertainment & audio/visual communications. We recognize that AMS Neve is the world's leading brand for Music & Film recording & post-production and by specifying Neve in our recent multi-million dollar acquisition and facility upgrades, it helps us accomplish and important component in the strategic objective of the SAE Group's maintaining it's high end and internationally recognized positioning as the educator & trainer of future industry professionals.”
AMS Neve continue to set important industry bench-marks at both the Film & Music production levels. Few brands can boast that an estimated 80 per cent of the world’s leading music artists have recorded on AMS Neve equipment and over 70 per cent of all major Hollywood productions are scored & mixed on the Neve DFC (Digital Film Consoles).
Most recently, the much heralded and long awaited James Cameron opus Avatar (which represents a tremendous leap in technological progress as the first major feature length film in 3D) demanded that new industry bench-marks be set. AMS Neve were instrumental in developing & offering up an array of practical & creative technological solutions to help in the success of the critical post production phase of this technologically demanding film.
Mark Crabtree, Managing Director of AMS Neve Limited said, "As the demand for the AMS Neve range of products & services continues to grow, especially with new challenges to cater to the high-end music, feature film scoring and mixing industry, so too must the training & education of creative industry professionals to operate such equipment. The SAE Group understand this need and have solidly aligned with us to deliver AMS Neve equipment and simultaneously align the education & training needed at the highest level globally."
Tom Misner, Founder of the SAE Group said, “Notwithstanding the very important global demands, the US market in particular continues to represent about 50 per cent of the world’s film and music industry production revenues. SAE is increasingly applying resources and is well-positioned to bring into line future industry and technological demands with an SAE education. To this end, SAE will continue to specify and roll out AMS Neve brand equipment to all new SAE Institute facilities projected for the US market especially. Many SAE graduates will seek positions in the United States.”
For more than 40 years, AMS Neve has represented the pinnacle of professional audio design and engineering. More than a hundred world-class analogue and digital designers, software specialists and audio purists spend their days dedicated to the advancement and evolution of professional audio products and workflows.
Northern England-headquartered AMS Neve’s achievements have been recognized over the years by the industry’s most prestigious awards including an Emmy, a Grammy and two Academy Awards.
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If I'm not mistaken I think SAE owns Neve so for all intent purposes they are all the same people.
You are mistaken, SAE do not own AMS-NEVE.

SAE own Neve Australia, SAE have licenced some circutry from AMS-NEVE and built the Classic 75 themselves in Australia. It is there own product and has nothing to do with AMS-NEVE.
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You are mistaken, SAE do not own AMS-NEVE.

SAE own Neve Australia, SAE have licenced some circutry from AMS-NEVE and built the Classic 75 themselves in Australia. It is there own product and has nothing to do with AMS-NEVE.
To Be honest I dont care either way but its a fairly well known fact that one of the main investors in AMS NEVE is SAE institute there is even post on here form 2006 stating that fact as well if you look on SAE's website it even states that AMS neve not Neve Australia is part of the SAE group of companies along with 301 studios ect. Now I'm no business lawyer but I'm fairly sure if that wasnt true AMS neve would sue the S*% out of SAE. Here is the quote from SAE's website. Not only that but there are articles from as far back as 2005 from mix magazine(SAE President Tom Misner Announces Acquisition of AMS Neve) claiming that Tom Misner founder and owner of SAE acquired AMS Neve. AMS Neve - SAE Institute

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For more than 40 years AMS Neve has represented the pinnacle of professional audio design and engineering. More than a hundred world class analogue and digital designers, software specialists and audio purists spend their days dedicated to the advancement and evolution of professional audio products and workflows. From its headquarters in northern England, AMS Neve has built a leading presence in the ultra high-end feature film scoring and mixing environments, the post-production and broadcast industries as well as in professional and project music studios worldwide. Over 70% of all major Hollywood productions are mixed on our digital film consoles!
The company's achievements have been recognized over the years by the industry's most prestigious awards including an Emmy in 1992, a Grammy in 2000 and two Academy Awards in 1999 and 2004. AMS Neve is part of the SAE Group of companies.
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To Be honest I dont care either way but its a fairly well known fact that one of the main investors in AMS NEVE is SAE institute there is even post on here form 2006 stating that fact as well if you look on SAE's website it even states that AMS neve not Neve Australia is part of the SAE group of companies along with 301 studios ect. Now I'm no business lawyer but I'm fairly sure if that wasnt true AMS neve would sue the S*% out of SAE. Here is the quote from SAE's website. Not only that but there are articles from as far back as 2005 from mix magazine(SAE President Tom Misner Announces Acquisition of AMS Neve) claiming that Tom Misner founder and owner of SAE acquired AMS Neve. AMS Neve - SAE Institute

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For more than 40 years AMS Neve has represented the pinnacle of professional audio design and engineering. More than a hundred world class analogue and digital designers, software specialists and audio purists spend their days dedicated to the advancement and evolution of professional audio products and workflows. From its headquarters in northern England, AMS Neve has built a leading presence in the ultra high-end feature film scoring and mixing environments, the post-production and broadcast industries as well as in professional and project music studios worldwide. Over 70% of all major Hollywood productions are mixed on our digital film consoles!
The company's achievements have been recognized over the years by the industry's most prestigious awards including an Emmy in 1992, a Grammy in 2000 and two Academy Awards in 1999 and 2004. AMS Neve is part of the SAE Group of companies.
Why dont you do a search at companies house on AMS-Neve?

SAE have a very small share of AMS-Neve, as I said Neve Australia have "Licenced" some circuitry from AMS-Neve therefore being able to use the "Flying N"

Why dont you phone AMS-Neve up in Burnley and order a Classic 75?? There not the same company and shouldnt be confused with eachother!

When the Classic 75 starts shipping we can have a propper discussion about it, Im sure that there will be major changes between now and release!
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Why dont you do a search at companies house on AMS-Neve?

SAE have a very small share of AMS-Neve, as I said Neve Australia have "Licenced" some circuitry from AMS-Neve therefore being able to use the "Flying N"

Why dont you phone AMS-Neve up in Burnley and order a Classic 75?? There not the same company and shouldnt be confused with eachother!

When the Classic 75 starts shipping we can have a propper discussion about it, Im sure that there will be major changes between now and release!
Okay last post about this subject because at heart I'm Just a gear enthusiast and mixing engineer that is intrigued by this console and did my reasearch in an attempt to understand what powered by NEVE meant in any case here is a post from the news section directly off of AMS-Neve's website about its company history.

Here is the link :AMS Neve Celebrates 45 years

Here is the interesting part of this article:

"Also in 2005, AMS Neve took another step into the future when the company was acquired by the SAE Group, the largest and most successful technology education group in the world. This alliance of two of the world’s leading audio industry organizations brings together the advanced analog and digital audio technology and reputation of AMS Neve with the unique and extensive experience and insights of SAE - a union that continues to define and redefine the world of professional audio, today and tomorrow. "

At the end of the day I just want to hear how the console stands up to a vintage Neve in comparison. I am used to working on a V3 so If its functionality works and I can get the sound I want out of it I will be happy and it will be worth all the hype.
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its a fairly well known fact that one of the main investors in AMS NEVE is SAE institute there is even post on here form 2006 stating that fact
That was in 2006, things have changed now
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AMS Neve is part of the SAE Group of companies.
If you look on the AMS Neve site all you see is 'SAE - An AMS Neve Partner', not the wording you use.

it also says 'Footnote: The Custom Series 75 is not manufactured, service supported or warranted by AMS Neve Limited, and does not supersede any of its products. '
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At the end of the day I just want to hear how the console stands up to a vintage Neve in comparison. I am used to working on a V3 so If its functionality works and I can get the sound I want out of it I will be happy and it will be worth all the hype.
It wont sound like a vintage neve, only a vintage neve sounds like that.

If you want something new that sounds similar, buy a Wunder audio Wunderbar.

The Classic 75 does not have the functuality of a V3, The Classic 75 looks to be more of an esoteric console, aimed at producers/engineers with there own studio not a commercial studio.
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It wont sound like a vintage neve, only a vintage neve sounds like that.

If you want something new that sounds similar, buy a Wunder audio Wunderbar.

The Classic 75 does not have the functuality of a V3, The Classic 75 looks to be more of an esoteric console, aimed at producers/engineers with there own studio not a commercial studio.
Thanks for the tip I'll have to check that out, I've never even seen one of these before. I kinda tempted to have this engineer by the name of Mike Edge build me a custom console the only thing that worries me about that is I will be at his mercy for maintenance and repairs but at the same time he will build it to sound like whatever I want which is kinda of exciting because I would have my own custom sound. Aww decisions decisions!!!

Do you have one could you post audio samples?
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Neve Custom 75 console

No i dont have a wonderbar but they are well documented on this forum.

If you are concidering a custom job you need to speak to Blake Devitt or Derek Stodart. I can give you either of there details if you like?
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