BeesNeez Lulu Fet VS Neumann KM84??

[Marcocet]

Well, I bought the lulu kits a while ago. It took a few months for me to get them, and now that I have they seem to be missing a few parts. I'm waiting to hear back from Ben. As soon as I do it should only take an hour or so to build them and i'll borrow the KM84s from the Bunker next door and put them all up against my current favorite sdcs, my KM88s. I"ll keep you updated .

[Reptil]

interested!
I have a LuLu Fet pair, and they're amazing. detailed. nice "soft" sounding high end, and a nice midrange I'd call it "sparkling"
hot output!
(I'm sounding like a pimp tonight )
I've never put them up to KM84s though.

[TehGuitarist]

Actually even compared to the oktavamod mk-012 (the fully upgraded ones) as you can get the kit for the lulu fets for nearly the same price and the mk-012s are 84ish.

[Hardtoe]

I haven't used the 84's, but the Lulu's are great - work really well for getting a sound similar to the way your ear hears things (though it is still from a particular mics perspective of course).

I alternate them with a pair of Josephson C42's which gives me a pretty wide spread of SDC sounds - from very precise and snappy to rounded and middy.

I am also interested if anyone can compare to original 84's - in any case they sound great in their own right.

[tapehiss]

I have a LuLu..... I'm pretty sure it's the Tranny-Less...

It's hard to know which LuLu people are discussing, as there are 3 different models.

But The Tranny-Less is detailed..... A nice SDC....

Not much more to say IMO.

[TehGuitarist]

Well personally i'm interested in the FET, but any of them is a good indication.

[peeweedrummer]

Ive got a pair of lulu fet's. ive been using them on everything from drum oh's, hats ride, acc guitar, voice, percussion. they are amazing. i have octava 012's akg 451's and these kill em both. ive also used c42 ( loved these ) and km 84's( briefly). the lulu's sound more real than the c42's but still have the sparkle. lulu's sound amazing on accoustic guitars, boty nylon and steel string.

[u b k]

Originally Posted by TehGuitarist

...and the mk-012s are 84ish.

Pardon the intrusion, I felt compelled to step in and say that mk012's are not even remotely 84-ish. Much to my deep personal displeasure, *nothing* that I've ever heard is 84-ish.

It's easy to get seduced by the 84's effortless highs, but imo the magic in those mics is in the mids and the combo of the two qualities is deadly. Very few mics have a similar electricity in the mids, even fewer have that buttery top, and none have both.

Except the 56.


Gregory Scott - ubk

[bigbone]

Originally Posted by u b k

Pardon the intrusion, I felt compelled to step in and say that mk012's are not even remotely 84-ish. Much to my deep personal displeasure, *nothing* that I've ever heard is 84-ish.

It's easy to get seduced by the 84's effortless highs, but imo the magic in those mics is in the mids and the combo of the two qualities is deadly. Very few mics have a similar electricity in the mids, even fewer have that buttery top, and none have both.

Except the 56.


Gregory Scott - ubk

I came at the same conclusion..........thumbsup

[geareyes]

Originally Posted by u b k

Except the 56.
Gregory Scott - ubk

Ahh yes....IMHO, 56's eat 84's for breakfast.

SDC of the gods

Mike

[drBill]

Originally Posted by u b k

Pardon the intrusion, I felt compelled to step in and say that mk012's are not even remotely 84-ish. Much to my deep personal displeasure, *nothing* that I've ever heard is 84-ish.

Hey Greg -

The 84 is a classic, no doubt. And you've laid out why as well. But engineering, placement and instrument all come into play as we listen and discern.

Sometimes, reality proves you wrong. I have certainly been surprised at times. And so I was on a particular day I remember......

So, if you think an 012 (modded if that makes a diff) can't sound like an 84, you'll have no problem telling me exactly where this Ac Gtr take switches back and forth between 84 and MJ modded 012.

http://www.mindseyeprod.com/wp_mic_c...4Intercuts.wav

There are 14 intercuts back and forth. Even with financial motivation to do so, no one could accurately guess more than a few without computer analyzation (which I think is unfair, but I knew it would happen). Many tried and failed. Give it a go and let me know what you think.

Of course, a new day, different player, different instrument, they sound different again, but this particular session was quite enlightening. I CAN get an 84-ish sound out of my Joly modded 012's. thumbsup

b|p


PS - no EQ, verb, compression or any other trickery other than matching levels in PT was employed. API 512B pre's direct into 192.

[u b k]

Oh my, I love a good challenge!!!

Couple things:

1) I use mk-012's here to great effect, I think they're the best value in sdc's on the planet

2) I have zero experience with any modded versions of them, so my comments aren't on point. BUT, if a mod can make these mics 84-ish, I'll be sending mine in immediately.

3) My room is a shambles from repainting, I'm a few more days from getting it back in order and without the treatment in place it sounds like ass. BUT, I hereby publicly declare I will do my best to identify all 14 (!) points where the transitions happen and I will report back here on what I'm hearing.

You used NO eq and compression on them? Good lord I hope I fail, I LOVE EATING MY HAT.

Especially when it means I don't need to shell out another 2 grand because I already have what I need. thumbsup


Gregory Scott - ubk

[Louis Bernstone]

Originally Posted by peeweedrummer

Ive got a pair of lulu fet's. ive been using them on everything from drum oh's, hats ride, acc guitar, voice, percussion. they are amazing. i have octava 012's akg 451's and these kill em both. ive also used c42 ( loved these ) and km 84's( briefly). the lulu's sound more real than the c42's but still have the sparkle. lulu's sound amazing on accoustic guitars, boty nylon and steel string.

+1 on the lulu fets. love them on almost everything. always have them on the stereo OHs, and love the sound on the acoustic guitar

[drBill]

Originally Posted by u b k

Oh my, I love a good challenge!!!

Couple things:

1) I use mk-012's here to great effect, I think they're the best value in sdc's on the planet

2) I have zero experience with any modded versions of them, so my comments aren't on point. BUT, if a mod can make these mics 84-ish, I'll be sending mine in immediately.

3) My room is a shambles from repainting, I'm a few more days from getting it back in order and without the treatment in place it sounds like ass. BUT, I hereby publicly declare I will do my best to identify all 14 (!) points where the transitions happen and I will report back here on what I'm hearing.

You used NO eq and compression on them? Good lord I hope I fail, I LOVE EATING MY HAT.

Especially when it means I don't need to shell out another 2 grand because I already have what I need. thumbsup


Gregory Scott - ubk

Greg - Paint - YIKES. Don't stress on it. thumbsup My personal studio remodel nightmare is replacing carpet.

LOTS of people listened and NOBODY (even with computer software) got all of them right.

The MJ modded 012's are NOT 84's, but they are cool, and definitely useable. I'd call them a more "modern" sounding 84 variant. More top (air) and more bottom. (Oops, I just gave you a clue.) They also don't have the "reach" that the 84's have - something I LOVE about 84's. I can place the 84 easier, it just tends to sound good wherever you put it. The 012 rewards experimentation. On drum OH, when using a SDC, I like the 84 hands down - UNLESS I'm looking for a kind of "woody" sound, in which case I'd definitely give the modded 012's a listen. Something I find similar in other Oktava's (woody sound I mean).

I love them with the Omni caps. Less noise than an 83 Omni.

I'll be looking forward to your thoughts/answers. Hey, let's get Brad in on this. Or maybe he was in on the other thread. Can't remember.

bp

PS - oops, just realized we should probably take this to a different thread or off thread. Don't want to dilute Ben's thread.

[tapehiss]

Considering where this thread is going..... It would be great to get a comparison of the OktavaMod 012 (which is a different mic than the stock version, and I feel it is important to discern stock versus modded considering UBK's initial post was for an un-modded version), a good'ol Neumann KM84, and a BeesNeez LuLu.....

It would also be great to compare the LuLu Tranny-Less, the LuLu Fet (with the Cinemag output), and the LuLu Tube......

I have the Tranny-less as I said above, and it offers a very detailed sound.... very nice and clear picture..... I love it.

I also have three AKG C-451eb's with CK1's (this version has the output xfmr) and they are great as well, but not as clear as the BeesNeez..... I was surprised at just how detailed they were, which is great for some applications........ I imagine the Cinemag output and Tube version are a little more in the "character" category than the Tranny-Less.

[TehGuitarist]

Sorry i meant the oktavamods when i said the 012's. My bad.

[yarrick19]

So, has anyone directly compared the two side by side? Clips or opinions?

[Marcocet]

Well, I built my Lulu's from a kit so I'm not sure if they're exactly like the stock ones, however I did put them up against a pair of KM84s. In the midrange I found them to be very close with very similar depth and dimension. However the top and bottom don't seem to be very much a like at all. The KM84s are very natural in the bottom with a smooth elongated top end. The Lulus however seem rolled off in the top but extremely powerful in the bottom.

I'll post some more thoughts when I get to spend a bit more time with them.

[claend]

I've been using a pair of LULU FETs since they came out.

Haven't compared to 84s, but let me tell you I can't find an excuse to spend the money on them either.

LULUs sound great in my room, very natural and a tad warm... I love them on acoustic, OHs and all kinds of percussion when the song asks for a condenser.

Cheers

[knucklehead1]

Bump

[Marcocet]

Originally Posted by claend

LULUs sound great in my room, very natural and a tad warm... I love them on acoustic, OHs and all kinds of percussion when the song asks for a condenser.

Cheers

Sounds like we've got some agreement here KM84s are fantastic mics but I certainly wouldn't call them warm. The Lulus I would. I still feel like i need to spend more time with them though. For the price they were a total steal.

[willsing]

Originally Posted by peeweedrummer

Ive got a pair of lulu fet's. ive been using them on everything from drum oh's, hats ride, acc guitar, voice, percussion. they are amazing. i have octava 012's akg 451's and these kill em both. ive also used c42 ( loved these ) and km 84's( briefly). the lulu's sound more real than the c42's but still have the sparkle. lulu's sound amazing on accoustic guitars, boty nylon and steel string.

I know this is an older thread, but I got a pair of the Lulu fets on sale, and they do sound perfect on acoustic guitar. Very natural, clear and detailed, just like I hear the guitar. Glad I snapped them up.
Will

[drBill]

Originally Posted by Marcocet

KM84s are fantastic mics but I certainly wouldn't call them warm.

Do you mean 84's or 184's? Because that is a huge distinction. To me, the KM84 (original) DEFINES warm.

[Hardtoe]

Lulu's are very natural sounding, but in an "even better the real" kind of way.

Seldom does a source not sound awesome though them.

Awesome as a spaced pair as well.


I love them.


Xoxo


thumbsup

[LoudSilence]

Joly/Dorsey mods on the Oktava's really make those Russian mics world class.
84's are great, don't have mine anymore. You really edited that nicely between the
84's and the 012's, amazing! Makes me feel good about keeping my Dorsey mods.
I kept the Schoeps (several caps), Oktava's, AKG 451e's, Sennheiser MKH40's. Maybe I will sell the Senn's not sure and thinking about trading the 451's for some LuLu's.

[mics]

Glad to see that all love your LuLu's. we have sold over 1600 of them now! They seem to getting more an more popular by the day. Positive comments like these make making mics more fun. thanks all.

ben sneesby