Albums recorded with 16x's?

[SoZo]

Anyone know of a top production tracked with the Apogee 16x's?

[bassjam]

Originally Posted by SoZo

Anyone know of a top production tracked with the 16x?

As in the apogee?

[SoZo]

Yes...

[psycho_monkey]

Because by the time it's mixed and mastered, the "apogee sound" will be very obvious...

/sarcasm.

Anyway, don't know about tracked but anything Bob Clearmountain's mixed since they came out must have passed through apogee converters.

Kind of a pointless thread though.

[SoZo]

The reason I ask is because so many new albums tracked digital sound great.. wonder what they used for tracking? Was it Pro Tools HD Converters, Prism, Lavry, Mytek, Apogee... I wanted to hear the Apogee sound in spades so to say.

[Daedalus77]

I'd venture the argument that there are many, many albums released over the past six years (the X-Series came out in '04, I think) that have employed these units in either the tracking or mixing phase—probably more the former than the latter.

A casual perusal of major studios' equipment lists (on their web sites) will reveal the number of facilities utilizing these units—often in conjunction with an Avid (Digi) interface or two (for compliance sake) but with the Apogee units handling the bulk of inputs and outputs and (usually) the clocking duties.

Whether the "Apogee sound" is pursued into the mixing phase (where a lot of facilities I know use Prism units in conjunction with a console) is another question.

Hope that's marginally helpful in answering your question.

Best,
David

[Davey_R_2_D_2]

Originally Posted by SoZo

Anyone know of a top production tracked with the Apogee 16x's?

I tracked most of this album with AD16's.
Seal - Commitment: Home

[Dr Roundmenge]

Green Day - 21st century breakdown

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by SoZo

The reason I ask is because so many new albums tracked digital sound great.. wonder what they used for tracking? Was it Pro Tools HD Converters, Prism, Lavry, Mytek, Apogee... I wanted to hear the Apogee sound in spades so to say.

IME, most studios with PT rigs have 192s as conversion. Occasionally something posh to track through, some go all out with the apogees, prisms etc.

Some people bring in their own stereo ADs and so on.

Statistically, anything done out of the biggest studios is likely to have been recorded on 192s, if it was done on PT.

If an album sounds great, the conversion is likely to be only a small part of the final result.

[Doc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by SoZo

Anyone know of a top production tracked with the Apogee 16x's?

Wouldn't it be better to know WHO recorded the records you like instead of the AD? Just sayin....The Person behind the record has way more impact on the sound than the stupid AD converter does. Just sayin.......

[Shaman]

Originally Posted by Davey_R_2_D_2

I tracked most of this album with AD16's.
Seal - Commitment: Home

Wow - this is quite a nice reference !
Just bought a title of that album.

Though I´m shure the sound of this album
is much more than the converters...

[Shy]

The last two albums and single by Infected Mushroom. Now what?

[Texum]

Originally Posted by Roc Mixwell

Wouldn't it be better to know WHO recorded the records you like instead of the AD? Just sayin....The Person behind the record has way more impact on the sound than the stupid AD converter does. Just sayin.......

Ryan Freeland, who posts here, recorded and mixed Grant-Lee Phillips' "Little Moon", Ray LaMontagne's "God Willin and the Creek Don't Rise" and Joe Henry's "Blood From Stars" and "Civilians", among others. Unbelievable great records, IMO, for sooo many reasons, one of them is the recording in itself. And I believehe used the 16x for both recording and mix. Just saying, since someone asked

More about two of those here:
******//www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...se-studio.html
******//www.gearslutz.com/board/so-mu...od-willin.html

[Heartfelt]

Originally Posted by Davey_R_2_D_2

I tracked most of this album with AD16's.
Seal - Commitment: Home

Congratulations. Very nice. I love the weightiness of the writing and orchestration. Nice job capturing all that!! thumbsup

[robertshaw]

Originally Posted by Roc Mixwell

Wouldn't it be better to know WHO recorded the records you like instead of the AD?

well wouldn't it be better to know WHO treated the rooms the records he likes were tracked /mixed? instead of the AD and the person who recorded it? after-all good acoustics, bad converters and a bad engineer still equate to perfect recordings ! This has been scientifically proven

[DONNX]

Originally Posted by SoZo

Anyone know of a top production tracked with the Apogee 16x's?

What can help you find what you are in search for. Go to Apogee's website. They have a list of producers, engineers that use the X series. Get their names. Research on the internet their discography. But the way they do records in the majors. Most of that stuff, the conversion changes through the process. The guy who tracked it used Apogee, The guy who mixed it used 192s. The guy who mastered it use something else. I think your best route is to buy the converters and find what you like. Screw all these other guys and what they use. Because conversion at that level has alot less of the overall influence on the final product. But it is important to have to some good quality pro conversion if you expect to have pro quality results.

You can make a good record with 192s, X series, Prisms, Mytek 8x192s, lynx etc, etc. Pick the one you like and fits your budget.

******//www.apogeedigital.com/artists...20and%20DA-16X

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by Dr Roundmenge

Green Day - 21st century breakdown

Sorry but that one was the Lynx Aurora.

Here's a quote on the subject:
Green Day’s new CD “21st Century Breakdown” hit Billboard’s Top 200 LP chart at #1 its first week on the charts, May 18. The first single, “Know your Enemy” was #1 on the Hot Modern Tracks Chart on May 25. Aurora-based Costa Mesa Recording Studio was the studio used by Green Day for much of the track recording for “21st Century Breakdown”. Studio owner Nick Fainbarg noted, “I have never seen a band like Green Day, who are so totally locked in together. The best teamwork I have ever seen. The open sound and fast response of my Aurora converters allowed us to capture the energy and immediacy at the sessions.”

[syra]

Anyone know of a top production tracked with monster cables? I'm looking to get some and wanted to see how they sound...

...

[Dr Roundmenge]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Sorry but that one was the Lynx Aurora.

Here's a quote on the subject:
Green Day’s new CD “21st Century Breakdown” hit Billboard’s Top 200 LP chart at #1 its first week on the charts, May 18. The first single, “Know your Enemy” was #1 on the Hot Modern Tracks Chart on May 25. Aurora-based Costa Mesa Recording Studio was the studio used by Green Day for much of the track recording for “21st Century Breakdown”. Studio owner Nick Fainbarg noted, “I have never seen a band like Green Day, who are so totally locked in together. The best teamwork I have ever seen. The open sound and fast response of my Aurora converters allowed us to capture the energy and immediacy at the sessions.”

Interesting! Its funny because Chris Dugan says the following on a thread regarding Analog tape tracking vs. digital on 21st century breakdown in the Butch Vig Q & A......

"Hi Tony, we tracked to both PT and tape for Drums and Bass, this was what we used:

Machine - Ampex ATR-124
Tape - GP9
ips - 30 for Drums 15 for Bass
NR - no
"how hot" - conservative
Sample Rate - 96K
Converters - Apogee AD16X / DA16X
Master Clock - BigBen

We had both analog and digital tracks in each session. So even while tracking vocals we could A/B between the two. Although after the GTRs and Bass were finished it became more obvious. In this instance, the tape seemed to kill the some of the transients on the drums. We did, however, end up using the Analog Bass tracks on a number of songs. I'm proud of the sounds we got on both formats, but ultimately it comes down to what works best in the song."

You can read more here

******//www.gearslutz.com/board/q-but...pro-tools.html

I wonder where the Auroras kicked into the process?

DR

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Here's a quote on the subject:The open sound and fast response of my Aurora converters allowed us to capture the energy and immediacy at the sessions.”

Wow..what total and utter marketing BS! I'm sure it would have made a massive difference had it been 192s..."ah man, the energy and immediacy at those sessions was lost by those crappy 192s...had we had Auroras as conversion, it would have been so much more open and fast..".

[AllAboutTone]

I have the 16x's, I love the sound, really change my sound a lot with tracking/mixing, love that big ben clock as well.

[rarseman]

Originally Posted by AllAboutTone

I have the 16x's, I love the sound, really change my sound a lot with tracking/mixing, love that beg ben clock as well.

Agreed with Tone
I track and mix on the 16x's with Big Ben

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Wow..what total and utter marketing BS! I'm sure it would have made a massive difference had it been 192s..."ah man, the energy and immediacy at those sessions was lost by those crappy 192s...had we had Auroras as conversion, it would have been so much more open and fast..".

I didn't write it Nick did.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by kittonian

I didn't write it Nick did.

I know mate, that's why I left the "here's a quote" in my...er...quote...didn't want to put words in your mouth.

[Davey_R_2_D_2]

Originally Posted by Shaman

Wow - this is quite a nice reference !
Just bought a title of that album.

Though I´m shure the sound of this album
is much more than the converters...

Not a truer word spoken. From the song writing, melodies, musicians and the producer involved, it is a sum of all parts.

In fact I could have used a myriad of converters and the end result would have been the same.

[Davey_R_2_D_2]

Originally Posted by Heartfelt

Congratulations. Very nice. I love the weightiness of the writing and orchestration. Nice job capturing all that!! thumbsup

Thank you, Glad you appreciate the love that went into it.

[Nick.Fainbarg]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Wow..what total and utter marketing BS! I'm sure it would have made a massive difference had it been 192s..."ah man, the energy and immediacy at those sessions was lost by those crappy 192s...had we had Auroras as conversion, it would have been so much more open and fast..".

I just today found this online. These were 'condensed' quotes taken from a long conversation. I was speaking generally and simply referring to a bottleneck and how it can inhibit a mix.

The fact is that the Aurora 16 sounded dramatically better than the 192, it's a single rack space and converts double the number of channels the 192 does, without the noisy fan the 192 box has. Switching was a smart decision. I switched out all my 192s and Big Ben for a rack full of Aurora 16's.

The point I was trying to make is that whatever you're recording or mixing, the io chain has to be high quality and a couple bottlenecks in a control room that could be hard to hear past are monitors, converters, and devices in between. I didn't like the way drums and bass sounded through the 192, it sounded boxy or somewhat constricted. The Aurora sounds better and does more channels in 1u. that's not marketing bs, that's my experience and opinion.

Regarding Greenday: Chris Dugan, Butch Vig and Greenday rented my Costa Mesa Recording Studios control room and drum room the summer of 2008 and recorded material for 21st Century Breakdown. I did not record; Chris and Butch Vig did all the recording with the band. Chris did in fact use the Lynx converters installed in the room.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Nick.Fainbarg

I just today found this online. These were 'condensed' quotes taken from a long conversation. I was speaking generally and simply referring to a bottleneck and how it can inhibit a mix.

The fact is that the Aurora 16 sounded dramatically better than the 192, it's a single rack space and converts double the number of channels the 192 does, without the noisy fan the 192 box has. Switching was a smart decision. I switched out all my 192s and Big Ben for a rack full of Aurora 16's.

The point I was trying to make is that whatever you're recording or mixing, the io chain has to be high quality and a couple bottlenecks in a control room that could be hard to hear past are monitors, converters, and devices in between. I didn't like the way drums and bass sounded through the 192, it sounded boxy or somewhat constricted. The Aurora sounds better and does more channels in 1u. that's not marketing bs, that's my experience and opinion.

Regarding Greenday: Chris Dugan, Butch Vig and Greenday rented my Costa Mesa Recording Studios control room and drum room the summer of 2008 and recorded material for 21st Century Breakdown. I did not record; Chris and Butch Vig did all the recording with the band. Chris did in fact use the Lynx converters installed in the room.

Fair enough. I can appreciate the quote could be taken out of context. There are practical advantages and disadvantages to auroras of course. I still maintain that, having used auroras, 192s and more when recording, if the input is good, 192s are fine. Maybe the auroras are a touch more true, maybe not. At the end of the process, I think it would be difficult to tell.

[ddageek]

To Many times I have read articles about sessions I have been part of , and heard quotes about what was used and more often then not, the article in no way jives with what was used, manufactures tend to try to embellish the use of their goods, and often if someone has a relationship with a manufacture they will emphasize, the gear from those manufactures that's part of the bargain.
Also anyone, who has ever had any dealings with press knows they have this inate ability
to get it pretty much wrong!

[wxyz]

Originally Posted by Davey_R_2_D_2

I tracked most of this album with AD16's.
Seal - Commitment: Home

Incredible sounding cd...Can you enlighten as to the signal chain for the strings?