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In another forum someone had posted samples of the Swedien versus a Flea 47 and Neumann U67.
-R
You are probably talking about the comparison on my The NU-47 microphone project site. Go to media gallery, then sounds, then select the male voice test.

Recently did a test at Mad Hatter Studios in LA with a number of high end mics such a U67 and C12, including my NU-49 tube mic (which has an M7) and the new "Black Pearl" solid state. I'll see if I can get the permission to post some clips.

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You are probably talking about the comparison on my The NU-47 microphone project site.
No, that's not what I was talking about. Perhaps you might want to start this in a new thread.

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No, that's not what I was talking about. Perhaps you might want to start this in a new thread.

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Oh, I'm sorry, it was not my intention to hijack ;-)

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Well, I decided to Flea!

Ordered a U47 and M49 - EF12 and F7 and Thiersch M7 in the M49.

Yay!
Congrats and I hope they make you happy. Are they returnable? I would never buy a guitar without playing it and audio gear is the same for me.

High-end mics are an absolute war zone. Even if they are unrefundable purchases, it's nice for the rest of us that these are bought new. That gets them built, and their true value will be assigned in the second hand market however over (or under) priced they were initially.
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Hello Spicemix,

You mentioned somewhat cynically that, "high end mics are an absolute war zone." YOu also raise a red herring with the peccadillo remark, "Are they returnable?"

I could only agree with the above statement if one bought any number of lesser known modern tube mics without knowing anything about them.

That is not the case here since there has been extensive discussion about FLEA mics here on GS. Clearly the OP has considered his purchase and asked around about FLEA. Many posters over the last few years have written to me on the GS PM system to ask my impressions about FLEA.

I can tell you that the people who stand behind FLEA always want the customer to be happy and that if they are not happy then they will be wanting to engage in discussion and get to an agreement.

Strong MOVE, Fragilo. FLEA is #1.
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Hello Spicemix,

You mentioned somewhat cynically that, "high end mics are an absolute war zone." YOu also raise a red herring with the peccadillo remark, "Are they returnable?"

I could only agree with the above statement if one bought any number of lesser known modern tube mics without knowing anything about them.

That is not the case here since there has been extensive discussion about FLEA mics here on GS. Clearly the OP has considered his purchase and asked around about FLEA. Many posters over the last few years have written to me on the GS PM system to ask my impressions about FLEA.

I can tell you that the people who stand behind FLEA always want the customer to be happy and that if they are not happy then they will be wanting to engage in discussion and get to an agreement.

Strong MOVE, Fragilo. FLEA is #1.
Plush,

I wouldn't worry too much with SpiceGirl.

He's a bit of a malcontent, who likes to tell others how to run their business, without any real data to support his soapbox.
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*sigh*

you guys are killing me. I can't borrow or rent any of the better U47 or M49 clones over here. I've been itching for one for a long time. Any opinions about the Fleas on female vox? Most of the samples I've run across are of male vox on the U47 clones. It seems to be a male-oriented mic, but I've always thought it would probably be fantastic on a female singer who has a nice full voice.

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I used my Flea 47 on a female who I have recorded for years, whose voice can be problematic because of strong resonances. She came in and sang a ballad and all I had to do was add a very slight notch at 2 k and very little compression. Voila! I'll post it if you like. IMO, best she's ever sounded, at least on my watch.

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BTW, these mics do have a 14 day return policy. No problem.

No dealer, no middle man, no inflated pedigree. Good, solid sound and construction from a reliable manufacturer and designer.

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Well, I decided to Flea!

Ordered a U47 and M49 - EF12 and F7 and Thiersch M7 in the M49.

Yay!
Congratulations! Let us know how you like them. You've got papa bear and mama bear.

Besides all the obvious applications, be sure to try some M/S with these two--47 in cardioid and 49 in fig of 8.

Have fun,
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One studio near me have Flea 47 ef12 valve and F7 capsule. Same studio have Peluso 2247LE Telefunken ak47mkii Neumann M147 and orginal Neumann U47 with vf14 + many more mics

The Flea was like Neumanns vf14 twin brother in sound.

VERY HUGE SOUND!!

You should use your ears maybe it´s not for everyone or you .

IT IS ike cars some like Porsches some FerrariS and some old Trabant . You´ll get from point A to pint B with everyone of them but you cannot be first in the competition .
Only if the Trabant is compeating with himself
bUT IF THE MUSIC IS GOOD who cares ?

Flea have very good quality overall better than the "new" Telefunken U47 and you who have it you know what i ´m taliking about.

Handmade + MR Thiersch Elektroakustik

Respect Flea I wish i had one but maybe someday .

Now i´m gonna leave my Trabant and walk istead. Much cheaper
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I used my Flea 47 on a female who I have recorded for years, whose voice can be problematic because of strong resonances. She came in and sang a ballad and all I had to do was add a very slight notch at 2 k and very little compression. Voila! I'll post it if you like. IMO, best she's ever sounded, at least on my watch.

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that would be great! have you by any chance had a chance to record her on the Flea 49?

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that would be great! have you by any chance had a chance to record her on the Flea 49?

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Yes, I put them both up. We preferred the 47. So far, in my somewhat limited experience with these mics, the 49 seems a little more neutral with less of the forward "grab" of the 47. I've loved it on ac gtr, piano, accordion, ukulele (!) and think it will absolutely kill on percussion and strings. Big and deep sound, but not so much forward lean.

The 2 mics complement each other wonderfully.

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...Most of the samples I've run across are of male vox on the U47 clones. It seems to be a male-oriented mic, but I've always thought it would probably be fantastic on a female singer who has a nice full voice...
Hi Luddy,

Not specifically a comment on the Flea, but U47s in general can certainly work on female vox. For one such example, start at 0:40 in this clip from Abbey Road:

YouTube - Nerina Pallot Live From Abbey Road

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LOOK what i found about Flea

http://www.flea-microphones.com/imag...foner_flea.pdf

It´s look like they have tested the new Telefunken U47 Clone and other U47 clones

and they have an orginal Neumann u47 vf 14 and what i understand so only Flea was as good as their orginal old Neumann u47.

i´m trying to translate with google translate service.

DIRECT GOOGLE TRANSLATE FROM THIS MAGASINE

Very few microphones have reached the reverent
Status Neumann U47 is. The microphone was launched in
late 1940s and quickly became noticed
for its detail and sound quality. The open and
lifelike sound brought new opportunities to mix voice
with bombastic string arrangements, if compared with the
strip microphones normally used for voice recording. The
said that Frank Sinatra said of propylene using a U47 at each
recording time. The model was also frequently used in the Beatles
recording sessions and often referred to as one of George
Martin's favorite microphones. In practical applications
are many and the list of global names that regularly used
or use the U47 is long.
But that does not stop at historical curiosities.
Neumann U47 is still the norm, both in
the sound and design. Most manufacturers
stormembrans of condenser microphones
have been inspired by U47. Both terms
and sound design. We are taking soundings
and selected six microphones in different price ranges for
a comparison.
ADK Custom Shop TT47-AU
ADK has some years invested heavily in
its Custom Shop series. Today we find sixteen different
models in the category. In addition, each model further adapted to customer preferences. As a test we have selected
two models, the first of which is a modified ADK Area51 TT. After
Having looked through the specifications you sense that most are exchanged
in addition to the shiny nickel body, which is narrower than that of U47.
The capsule is called GK47 and is designed in Australia. Be production
is not clear and the tube is not specified. For the power supply can
one in nine steps to adjust the microphone upptagningstyp ball from the kidney
and then to eight. The microphone comes in a bag-type flight case,
reinforced with aluminum. Inside we find in addition to a microphone
power supplies, a mute and an elastic holder, wiring
and a puff of metal protection.

ADK Custom Shop CS-47YJ

The second microphone from the ADK is taken from J-series MODs,
a name I associate with Jean Paul
Gerard, microphone designer behind most of the ADK Microphones
(Read the interview in MM 06-2004). If it is the J et
let stand for me to say, but also design
reminiscent of previous Gerard models. To begin with,
we find a capsule from the Latvian microphone manufacturer
Blue-called BK-47. In addition, one 12AX7 tubes. Y:
et in the model designation stands for yellow and is under
product information to emulate the frequency response of
a later U47. Prefer to his U47 are slightly older
also CS-47WJ to have a bit of the character of a
band microphone. Fixation is enforceable in the same way
that of TT47-Au. Even the accessories are the same.

Flea 47

Flea is a Slovakian manufacturer that specializes in the reproduction
old classic European microphones. Component and appearance
their model is faithful to the original 47. As a customer, offered to
to choose between three different capsules: fleas own F7 and F47
and a PVC membrane version of the M7 from Thiersch
Electro-Acoustics - one of very few manufacturers today
working with PVC material. The test specimen is fitted
with a capsule-F7. You can also choose between four
different tube types: EF12, EF14, UF14 and the classic
VF14. On its website recommends the Flea
EF12 as an inexpensive substitute for the coveted
but increasingly rare VF14. It is also the case that
test specimen is fitted with. Like the model U47
absorption type is adjustable between the kidney and the ball.
The microphone comes with power supplies and
cabling. You can also buy a rigid support of
swivelmount type, elastic suspension, and träetui
bag. One should also add that fleas and accessories
parts are identical to the Neumann counterparts.
Test specimen came with a somewhat simpler elastic
hanging from third party manufacturers.

Micro Tech Gefell UM92.1S

During World War II relocation Neumann factory in Berlin to
Gefell, a town in the countryside. Operations in
Berlin, however, was started up again after the war and was driven
in parallel with the plant in Gefell. Political developments
in Germany made it increasingly difficult to operate across the border
between East and West, and when the Wall was built in 1961 ceased
business relationship with this completely. Neumann
GmbH in Berlin, which started its own production of capsules and
decided to abandon the production of PVC membrane.
U47 got a new system called the K47 capsule and the membrane
Polyester. The factory in Gefell continued to develop microphones
to include the East German radio. After the Wall came down
cases in 1990 was restored to the original owners of the company, which
which became known as Micro Tech Gefell GmbH.
Just like the early copies of the U47 has UM92.1S
an M7 capsule with the membrane of PVC. The tube is an EF86
and the absorption type is adjustable between the kidney, and ball
eight. UM92.1S comes in a rugged aluminum case of
type flight case, and microphone in addition we find such a
power supply, an elastic suspension and cable assemblies.

Neumann M147 Tube

This is one of Neumann's further developments
U47. The capsule is a K47. Same capsule found in
later, U47 and U47 of FET and the current
models M149 Tube and TLM49. The tube is a 6111
WA has also contained in M149 Tube.
The model makes use of, in rörmik-rofonsammanhang,
bit unusual solution with transformerless
output. A technique generally involves higher
sensitivity and lower self-noise and distortion. The
It is also reflected in the specification where M147 Tube
Boasting compilation Association lowest specified
self-noise and relatively high sensitivity. Fixation
are of the kidney and the microphone is delivered in a robust
bag of aluminum with power supply and cabling. Bag
accommodates elastic suspension and the distributor has
sent with a Rycote Invision USM.
Telefunken Electroacoustics U-47
Telefunken have a common past with Neumann. From 1928
about thirty years ahead Neumann microphones were distributed worldwide
reviewed by Telefunken, often with Telefunken logo on the body instead
for Neumann. Partly because of this, Telefunken for a long time
been a strong brand in the U.S.. 2001 buds so the company itself
and Telefunken USA (later Telefunken Electroacoustics) pitched
doors in Hartford, more than twenty mil north of New York. Activities
fit both the service and repair of old treasures, and new construction of
classic models such as the U47 and Ela M250, and the development of new
mic models.
Like Flea 47 is Telefunken U-47 faithful to the original terms of shape and
design. The standard version is the one with M7 capsule membrane
Polyester. When questioned Telefunken also offers virgin
capsules with membranes made of PVC. It is secretive about capsules origin, but a representative of the company
certifying that they are authentic.
-Tube, one VF14k, exhibit the same
characteristics as the original
VF14M. Fixation is adjustable
between the kidney and the ball, just
as in the original. The microphone
comes at a hefty tweed dress
bag in addition to the microphone
capacity power supplies, elastic
suspension, micbox to the microphone
and cabling.

Neumann U47

Test is a reference microphone
U47, which we had borrowed from the recording studio
Fashion Police in
Stockholm. We do not know everything about
its history and origin, but the studio owner
Niklas can tell that it has a
M7 capsule with PVC membrane, suggesting that
it is made before the 1958th The microphone is restored by Andreas
Grosser few years ago and the tube was replaced a year ago. The
who now sits in a VF14 NOS constructed around 1939th
Six like-minded in comparison

DRUMS
We start the test by placing four of
microphones (referensmik-rofon and
three test microphones) to about one and a
half meters, a few feet in front
drums. The capsules are so close together
as possible so that the microphone cells forming
a cross.
The drum set is an older Sonor with 20-inch
bass drum and timpani at 13 and 16 inches.
Eddy is a 14-inch maple in Tama. Cymbals
is a mixed bag. Tastes the best so.
All of it is set in a relatively subdued
square room of about fifteen square feet.
Elof Loelv (låskrivare, producer;
musicians and a friendly soul who helps
with this part of the test) sits
behind the drums and play an up-tempo rhythm
at a few bars that include
headset all parts.
When playing, it is quite clear
that our reference microphone not able to
manage noise levels. Torrent may be audible
compression and magnify it up waveform
in an audio editor you can see that the
at each vortex creates a kind of asymmetry.
The waveform is not quite the same amplitude in
Test execution
We will not hide from the comparative testing of
U47-inspired microphone has been done before. There are
However, not to plain fact that it is done on this side of the Atlantic.
Even more rare is it with as wide a layout:
six newly manufactured models, plus the original as reference.
List prices range between just under and just over fourteen thousand
åttiosjutusen crowns.
The test is divided into six parts. The first four are recording
of drums, bass, acoustic guitar and vocals. These moments
made as toppings on a single track, and material
can then be mixed as needed. This is the basis for
momemt fifth test. The test is rounded with recording
of pink noise and reference music that is played by
a speaker. We have endeavored to when each part
microphones provide similar conditions. They have been stored
in the same room, power supplies have been turned around
same length of time before the recording and each microphone is placed
so that they "hear" the material in the same way.
For simplicity, we decided to implement all test
parts of the recording set to kidney, mainly because of
that it is the most likely scenario in the first four grounds of appeal;
but also to keep it all at a manageable level, both
time as lyrically.
valleys to the peaks. Beyond the compression
However, there is a clearly defined lower
midrange and a tweeter that is perceived
to open without being intrusive.
Telefunken U-47 has a similar
character with a little more top. Variations
eddy in the law becomes more obvious,
cymbals a bit sharper. In addition, it is
audible differences in the lower midrange;
snare drum sounds a bit trapped compared with
reference microphone.
UM92.1S have a more prominent
highs which may cymbals to come forward in
sound. Torrent has a narrow peak in the upper
between the code which is not to drum
advantage. Lower midrange resembles the
of the reference microphone and the corresponding
vortex well.
M147 Tube sounds harsh in comparison with
reference microphone. A prominent
hump in the upper midrange gives vortex
a metallic sound. Transients in
crash cymbals and ride melts are not really
into sound, but remains on.
TT47-Au has a very different response
in the bass register. There are a lot of energy
and it sounds great! Although the room is responsible
well in the lower midrange and higher base.
The microphone has not referensmik-rofonens
presence in the upper midrange
or treble.
CS 47YJ reminiscent not of any of
the other microphones. It is much
smoother with a clear focus on the midrange.
In the upper register sounds almost
as to put a low pass filter at 6 kHz.
Not entirely uninteresting, but not quite what I
associate with the digit combination 47th
To listen to the Flea 47 is a bit like hearing
reference microphone with compressor
off. The basic character is very
transients, but like going through a
otherwise. Possibly get a bass drum
ounces more weight.

Acoustic guitar
An older type of Ibanez dreadnought
placed in the depressed part of Helter
Skelter-studio recording studio. We use
us the same uppmickningsprincip
here as for the drum recording. Microphones
placed more than a half meter in front of the guitar
directed somewhere between the ninth and
twelfth tissue of the fretboard. In a sharp recording situation, I had probably chosen to
microphones are somewhat closer to the guitar
but as the acoustic guitar is an instrument
that sounds quite different depending on where
Listening is important to test the microphones
have the same perspective of the guitar body. To
solve this you need to go back a bit on the microphones.
What we lose is a bit of bass response
and probably get a slightly larger room
impact. Marcus Palm, who assists me in the
This and subsequent portion of the test, at first,
shave a few chords and then move in a
neil youngskt easy rhythm game.
Reference microphone sounds like luck is not
further compressed. A quick check on the waveform
confirms this. The guitar sounds great
and warm through the Neumann U47. Upper Register
is open and clear allocation
represented. The tweeter is soft, as if
plectrum would be easy filtbeklätt. It sounds quite
simple flattering and will be difficult
against the fingers.
UM92.1S has a slightly different nature, with
a compact midrange and a crisp,
more modern treble which makes me rather
think of strings than the plectrum. The roar
the bit in the lower midrange on some of
appropriations.
Telefunken U-47 is similar to the reference microphone
in nature. U-47 has
prominent transients in the treble, which may
me to associate the glass and lacks a little definition
in the lower midrange.
M147 Tube is not the same definition
in the sound. The appropriations still sticking out, but at
a way that makes the guitar feel slightly
intrusive.
I miss even the definition of TT47-Au
but otherwise the success of the well to emulate
reference in nature - as a U47 with a
lower resolution.
CS 47YJ fall outside the framework. This is
no sound I confuse with a U47. Very
the transients are lost and the lower
midrange feels grainy. A sound that is
worked hard when it comes to acoustic guitars.
Flea 47 is the microphone that resembles
the reference microphone. By making frequent
changes during playback, I hear, however, differences.
Fleamikrofonen is harder transients in
appropriations, and slightly more restrained midrange.
However, I feel that the fuller
in the lower register.

VOCALS
We let the microphones remain subdued in the
part of the room and adjusts them for vocal overdubs.
Still four microphones at a time
mounted in a cross. I place a teaser protection
Nylon about thirty inches in front and
Marcus puts himself about a further
inches behind. He adds a subtle
Tenor melody on top of the recorded accompaniment
of drums and acoustic guitar. The reference microphone
His voice may be the creamy and smooth
quality I associate with U47.

UM92.1S sounds much more modern with
a clear boost in the treble. In the lower midrange
However, a similar saturation
on the service reference microphone.
Although Telefunken U-47 has a similar
mids. In contrast, the glass-like
character than I previously experienced
more prominent in the song. As a
narrow frequency bands in the upper midrange
lifted some decibels with a bit resonant
filters.
Maybe I have too high expectations
the M147 Tube with his transformer solve
output and K47 capsule, but
microphone not the definition I
expected. Apart from a small hump
the recreates the midrange, however, M147
Tube frequency response of the reference microphone
pretty well.
Although TT47-Au do well to emulate
frequency response of the reference microphone.
The voice may be a harsher
nature and the room will not respond to the same
way, which means that the microphone is perceived as
a bit trapped.
When I listen to the CS-47YJ can I find
similarities with the reference microphone in the lower
midrange. The same warm and soft
traction. The upper register is not at all
same response as any other
test microphones. It sounds again as
to cut with a low pass filter.
I do not feel like Flea has 47 open
as the reference microphone on vocals. It
also has a bit more bottom and picks up
a bit less response from the room. But it is
definitely the microphone that is most similar.

BASS

For the test, I would choose to DI a
pre-recorded bass, played on a
Tokai jazz bar and lajnad through an active
DI-box. Neither compression or filters have
placed on the recording. When playing
signal is sent to a Trace Elliot V-type peak
associated with armed with box
four twelve-inch elements. Microphones are rigged
two at a time forty centimeters above the
upper left element.
Neumann U47 has a round and dynamic
bottom following the game. The lower midrange
is full-bodied. Upper midrange and
treble is dull. One can see the room
on two occasions when strikes the strings
instrument microphone poles.
The bass is more controlled and restrained
in UM92.1S, as if a transparent
compressor would be connected to the recording chain.
The same applies to some extent
midrange. The microphone picks up
more of string rattle, resources and responses from
room.
Telefunken U-47 has a lot of referensmikrofonens
nature but is slightly more
open in the upper register.
M147 Tube is perceived in the context
as additional indicator in the lower midrange.
The midrange of TT47-Au is very
like that of referensmik-rofonen. Bottom
are significantly more saturated in a
ways that affect the overall impression. The instrument
lose proximity.
CS 47YJ here to get a midrange
reminiscent of the reference microphone.
Especially the lower midrange convincing.
Even Flea 47 points at large on the reference microphone,
only slightly larger.
As the frequency response extends
deeper
.
The mix

After having known the material and experimented
with EQ and dynamics plug
I export a mix of each type of microphone
where levels are normalized and
any mark-up received a bit of compression
to make the mix more frequent. By listening
at a mix where every shot is recorded
with a single microphone highlights
microphone characteristics.
The mix of the Neumann U47 is quite thick
in the low midrange. You need EQ
to balance the particular drums
and bass. Vocals and acoustic guitar blend
together in a nice way. They have a clear
definition in the upper register despite his smooth
transients.
UM92.1S-mix has a greater separation
between the instruments and feel
more complete. There is also a crunchiness
treble in the mix, which may allow more
mother.
The mix of Telefunken U-47 reminds one
great deal about the reference mix. Transients are
However, more prominent and the glassy
phenomenon in the upper mid range makes the song
and the guitar sounds a bit more diffuse.
M147 Tube-mix is a bit cloudy. As
spreads to all collide with each other in
midrange.
The song is really good in the mix of
TT47-Au-shots. It feels open in
midrange and has a bit of UM92.1S
crispy highs. A little too much crunchiness
on the guitar makes it stick out slightly. Bass
and drums are perceived as more cloudy than in
reference mix, but they work as complementary
to the song.
The mix of shots with CS-containing 47YJ
surprisingly little information in
the upper register. The feeling of low-pass
is no longer clear. However, the mix is muffled
and I miss the definition of particular
drums. Works best on the microphone
electric bass guitar.
Flea 47-mix does not quite reach the same definition
in the upper register as the reference mix.
On the other hand, it has a slightly better support
the bottom. Otherwise they resemble very much
each other
.
SUMMARY

The last Sub-test will be to place the microphones
one at a time in front of an active speaker
about half a meter
and play a loop of pink noise
and reference music. In order to rediscover
same position for each measurement mount
I have an extra mic stand that "points" on
microphone capsule without getting in the way
for the capturing or creating annoying reflections.
I also put a pop filter between speaker and microphone to mitigate
any air currents from the two speaker
front-mounted bass ports.
When the music through the songs of the reference
I feel Telefunken U-47 and 47 be Flea
very similar to the reference microphone. Especially Flea
47 where I sometimes have trouble hearing fluctuations.
TT47-Au reminiscent of the reference microphone in
midrange but has clearer transients.
CS 47YJ fails again as it applies to
a low pass filter on the material. M147 Tube fails
as it has been hard resonant humps in
upper midrange. Although UM92.1S have a
tighter upper midrange, which, unlike
from M147 Tube sounds balanced. The top is
crisp without being sharp.
When I listen through the noise test, I am struck
once again of how much Flea 47 Recalls
reference microphone in the frequency response. The
Only the treble, I can hear the difference of the
two. Although Telefunken U-47 is similar but has
not quite the same response in the lower register
and an extra shot at the maybe two kilohertz.
UM92.1S have a clear lift in both treble and
upper midrange compared to the reference microphone.
M147 has a hump a little further down,
perhaps at a kilohertz. TT47-Au recalls
even if the reference microphone, but with a
less lift in the treble. CS 47YJ, finally, has
a similarity with the reference microphone in the lower
code, but the noise test, it will be extra
significantly that it sounds like the microphone has
a built-in crossover and we only get signal
from the lower band.
I let pass a noise recordings
spectrum analyzer that confirms what I
belongs. Frequency response of 47 Flea line
so well with the reference microphone that we could use them as a
stereo pairs. Telefunken U-47 and ADK-TT47
Au also show great similarities, but have
deviations from two kilohertz and above. Frequency response
of M147 Tube begins rather
but breaks off just above a kilohertz
to follow its own curve. UM92.1S have
a softer start with weaker response in the
lower register but follow referensmikrofonens
curve between 200 and 2000 hertz. This is followed
even on its own curve. CS 47YJ follow the reference curve
pretty up to about a kilohertz
then it becomes a bit svajiga and then sink
at three and a half kilohertz.

I would like to begin this summary by noting
that the audible differences between some of
test microphones is less than the man can
expected between different copies of one and
same model. Have you ever flared up
Shure SM57 a bunch of you probably understand what I
mean. It is impressive! I am
also looked at the heavy staining of
CS 47YJ. There is nothing wrong with a little soft unwound
treble. On the contrary, there are many situations
where it is desirable. But I would sit on a
U47 with similar frequency response, I
consider the submission of the restoration.
So what does the test tell us? Well, are you in
need for a U47 but lack the funds to
acquire real thing, there are some alternatives to
check out. Most convincing are substitutes Flea
47 similar to a U47 both in appearance and
character. The difference in transientrespons can
depend on the Flea is equipped with a capsule
with the membrane of polyester and not with PVC
as a reference microphone. The only by-testex
EMPL with PVC membrane is Micro Tech
Gefells UM92.1S which interestingly enough is the
microphone that is most prominent treble.
Despite the older production technology allows
UM92.1S really modern. Test Financial Tips
may be ADK TT47-Au. With a list price of just
for fourteen hundred dollars to get a lot of
U47-attitude to money. In addition, the
adjustable in nine stages between eight, kidney and ball,
a function, we unfortunately had little time to test.
Neumann M147 Tube own did not meet
really my expectations. I had looked forward
to hear an updated version of the
legendary U47, as a cross between
Flea and 47 Micro Tech Gefell UM92.1S. What I
experienced was neither. It turned out
be a viable option at uppmickning
the bass amp, which suggests that it may
uppmickning fit for the second amplifier.
Siblings model M149 Tube, which has the same
Variety capsule, plus adjustable high pass filter characteristic and,
presumably had shown a more
U47-like character, and thus matched Society
better, but no such we had no access to
in the test. As for ADK CS-47YJ is enough
so that there are uses and contexts
where it works much better. This
the test was simply not fair.
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Another review That´s all folks!

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To Flea or Not to Flea? Bodies of their U47 parts are perfect. The headbaskets still needs work IMHO for their U47s. I hope that Flea improves their head baskets again to be like the original more so. I know they did it once already. The first headbasket looked like something totally different than a U47's headbasket. And everybody used it. The first Wunders and Telefuken USA mics sported them with that "cone head" looking top piece, yuck!!! Then Flea made a second revision due to the complaints which is closer than the first edition. Flatten the top had a bit to make it look closer to the original. But sorry, IMHO. Still doesn't look exactly like the real deal. The support beams have no resemblance to the original for one. The original looks like "Typical top notch German engineering". The original in comparison to the Flea baskets are more symmetrical and look as they if they were made by a serious perfectionist. Its like comparing a Hyundai to a German perfected made Audi vehicle. I got this second revision head basket which doesn't hurt as much as the first "cone head" edition... But I can't wait to replace it to be honest. Not only cosmetically, but audio wise that head grill is important for that authentic U47 sound.

So somebody, if not FLEA...please try to remake the "real" U47 basket/grill and make it 100% identical to the original with the same craftsmanship. It just irritates me seeing a "want to be" U47 head grill on a $5-8K remake mic... Gives me a "made in china" vibe. Sorry...
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DONNX you just reminded me of something...

Are you aware of "that" ?

EQU47 Mic Body Pre-Order « Equinox Systems

Nice but this head basket is still not like the original. Unless you can show me where the pattern selector slot is on the head grill?
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So somebody, if not FLEA...please try to remake the "real" U47 basket/grill and make it 100% identical to the original with the same craftsmanship. It just irritates me seeing a "want to be" U47 head grill on a $5-8K remake mic... Gives me a "made in china" vibe. Sorry...
Not sure that's a current photo of a Flea head basket, or else the angle of the photo is misleading.

My own Flea 47 certainly has no "made in China" vibe, even when compared with my friend's vintage 47.

-R
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Yes, I put them both up. We preferred the 47. So far, in my somewhat limited experience with these mics, the 49 seems a little more neutral with less of the forward "grab" of the 47. I've loved it on ac gtr, piano, accordion, ukulele (!) and think it will absolutely kill on percussion and strings. Big and deep sound, but not so much forward lean.

The 2 mics complement each other wonderfully.

-R
That's good to hear. I have my heart set on a 47 haha. I'm just afraid I would pop for it and then find out that it doesn't fit many females, whereas I record a lot more female than male singers.

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Hi Luddy,

Not specifically a comment on the Flea, but U47s in general can certainly work on female vox. For one such example, start at 0:40 in this clip from Abbey Road:

YouTube - Nerina Pallot Live From Abbey Road
Hi, thanks for the link, nice. It's nice to hear the U47 working well on someone with her kind of voice.

umkay, back to shaking my piggy bank.

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Hi, thanks for the link, nice. It's nice to hear the U47 working well on someone with her kind of voice...
One of the things that's useful about that clip, I think, is that you can hear the characteristic size, openness, detail and mid resolution of the U47 coming through in the recording, yet there's no doubt it sits well with the performer and voice. IOW all those characteristics that lead to the mic working well on male vox are part of the charm here also.
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For DONNX---you dirty mic fetishist!

What you've written about a Chinese mic vibe means that you' ve simply got a sex toy on your mind. After spending too much time in a sex shop, you're just confused about cylindrical shapes.

The points that you and JJ have raised about basket shape and rounded-ness of the head basket are ONLY marginally affecting the sound. In comparison to the heart of the FLEA mic--the capsule and the circuit, the shape variations mean nothing.

I cannot consider your writings as anything authoritative about FLEA until you are holding one in your hands and until you plug it in and get its sound to tape.
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My friend who bought Flea 47 and spend a LOT of his money on that mic did this way.

He got to every studio in town who have Telefunken 47 Neumann 47 Wunder etc and sometimes he payed to studio owner one to two hours to record a vocals and a acoustic guitar in that studio with orginal or U47 clone mic .

He always waited before he did recording for microphone to warm up.
I know that he have Mytek AD96 stereo converter so he took his own equipment with himself and recorded in different studios and compared samples in his studio later.

When he had a chance to rent a Flea 47 he did the same way as he did before He took a Flea and compared to the other microphones side by side .


So you see there were a whole proceedure before he payed for That kind of mic coloure .

He is not reading what others are saying he compared and trusted his ears It is his money at the end.

Some like Fender some like Gibsons and there are some Fender 57´who has "That" type of sound which was a standard for many songs as well old Gibson.

You dont buy Ibanez 500k or 1000k POTS with X2N humbucker and Marshall to play Shadows.

I dont think that he cares about grillmesh i know only that he says that Flea 47 was the BEST ONE of them all in the sound test he did his way ! It is his subjective opinion.

and he has Flea 47 with EF12 Valve and their own F7 Capsule and not Mr. Thiersch capsule.

I have checked their site now and i see that you can order a flea 47 mic with VF14 EF 14 UF 14 F47 F49 ETC but how they sound it is up to you.


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Plush!!!

Sorry, I am just that "meticulate". I want it to be the exact same in looks and quality! Especially with a hi $$$ mic clone or not. Every grill line is perfect and straight. The side beams and top circle loop are exactly like the original, flat not curvy or rounded. You closely look at the grill of a copy compared to a decent original, They look crooked and not in alignment (the grill patterns). Please give me a good counterfeit! Just joking.

Now, I cannot speak or have the right to speak about Flea mics as in terms of a "entire" mic made by Flea. Cause. I don't own entirely made Flea mic as of yet. And they are definitely got a good selection of mics to offer. I am still doing my research on the Flea M49 or C12 clones. I am interested in those.

But I do own a mic with the current/latest Flea U47 Head Grill. Its nice. The Second revision which is the latest current version definitely is a "yes" close enough for most.

When I stated "made in China" vibe, I mostly aimed that toward the very first Flea Head basket, AKA "Egg Head" But I should have been clear. The first one put a bad taste in my mouth I guess. But I guess it takes time to get things right. Sorry..

I am happy that Flea, the company exists in our world. Otherwise, all of these U47 cloner's would not have a source for U47 body parts. So for Flea to step up and be that source. I am grateful.

Due to my dissatisfaction of not having an authentic looking basket as of yet, and along some other mic connoisseurs griping about it. A source in Germany has finally volunteered and committed to get this basket piece right for once and for all. In 3 months, I may be looking to sell my Flea Head.




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For DONNX---you dirty mic fetishist!

What you've written about a Chinese mic vibe means that you' ve simply got a sex toy on your mind. After spending too much time in a sex shop, you're just confused about cylindrical shapes.

The points that you and JJ have raised about basket shape and rounded-ness of the head basket are ONLY marginally affecting the sound. In comparison to the heart of the FLEA mic--the capsule and the circuit, the shape variations mean nothing.

I cannot consider your writings as anything authoritative about FLEA until you are holding one in your hands and until you plug it in and get its sound to tape.
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Due to my dissatisfaction of not having an authentic looking basket as of yet, and along some other mic connoisseurs griping about it. A source in Germany has finally volunteered and committed to get this basket piece right for once and for all. In 3 months, I may be looking to sell my Flea Head.
Have you spoken to FLEA?

They are extremely helpful - so if you have a FLEA with an earlier version basket you may find that they will easily be able to sort you the latest basket.

Just talk to them - contact details are on their website and they are very approachable.
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But I do own a mic with the current/latest Flea U47 Head Grill.
And what mic is that? Presumably not a Flea.

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I haven't received them yet so I can't comment on the build or sound. I gotta say Im not too worried...

As for the customer service, all emails were answered within 24 hours, great help was provided in getting the mics built to my personal preference, I bet they get all kinds of nit-picky buyers who want their mic to sound a certain way, and are totally understanding, accommodating, and seem to have figured out the variables that can get you within that incarnation of U47, 49 etc you desire.

Also, number one best thing (well hopefully 2nd to the sound) - you can deal direct, use paypal or bank transfer, and they're willing to work with you in many ways to get the transaction finalized, if you get my drift...

Im stoked!
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