To CLASP or to ANAMOD ATS-1 ?

[flute player]

Hi there all,

To CLASP or to ANAMOD ATS-1, that's the question.
Getting a real tape sound onto your recordings is now possible.
But what wonders me is if you can get the same sound by replacing the complex CLASP set-up by an ANAMOD ATS-1.
And, YES, I know the CLASP makes it possible to run more than one track and the the ATS-1 is a stereo tool.
I thought about some of the questions that might be answered.
One of the main reasons for me would just be the price.
For the price of a CLASP you can buy two ATS-1.
You can also mention the maintainance of the tape machine.
Allthough you might have bought, say a rare, Studer or Ampex, it seems that good spare parts are hard to find.
Or is it that people might say the CLASP is a recording tool and the ANAMOD ATS-1 a mastering tool.

Looking out to your reactions.

greetz,

Paul

[superama]

I vote for reel tape.

Support reel analog!

I want all my tools to be used appropriately whenever applicable. CLASP is gonna keep the tape rolling at my studio.

[marshalllove]

There is nothing like the sound of real analog tape, I wish there was but to date nothing sounds like. Great roll of 456!!!! Long live clasp!!! I have one and love how much it's helped make make better sounding record, vocals on tape ---yumm!!!

[syra]

I also support the real deal. Go tape!

[Knox]

. . personally I don't get all this buying expensive hardware / software / summing boxes etc etc JUST to get the analog sound, when you can simply buy an analog machine and a console for the price of all that stuff. Even if you really NEED editing in box . . you can still sync the two or dump. But we are all different.

[OhioGreg]

ATR102 here, so I would also suggest the use of CLASP.
Reel Audio!

[steveschizoid]

No reel to reel experience here, but I'm loving my ATS-1 more and more as time goes by. It's been in my rack for about 2 weeks now.

[flute player]

As in most of the reactions you guys suggest real tape.
But is the CLASP system only a sync between the DAW and the machine.
Or does it something with the sound itself also.

greetz,

Paul

[Dave Bear]

It may sound totally crazy but I have been seriously considering
getting 8 Anamod ATS-1's loaded with different cards.

I used one for a few weeks and was blown away!

that would cost about 25k

very expensive but no maintenance and I loved what I heard!

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by flute player

As in most of the reactions you guys suggest real tape.
Paul

And I would guess most (or all) are from posters who've never used the Anamod (as is the usual case here).

[Bosco]

CLASP allows you to monitor input without conversion...it is always dumping to ProTools from the repro head...it is not just a sync box,it allows you to record at any point on a timeline,to punch and record at will, into the daw...all recording is done analog then dumped as you go...

all tracks that are previously recorded are in perfect sync with the signal at analog monitor input...it is fabulous if you are a tape lover !!

we always have a 2" 8 track on signal to ProTools...

[Drumsound]

Originally Posted by flute player

Hi there all,

To CLASP or to ANAMOD ATS-1, that's the question.
Getting a real tape sound onto your recordings is now possible.
But what wonders me is if you can get the same sound by replacing the complex CLASP set-up by an ANAMOD ATS-1.
And, YES, I know the CLASP makes it possible to run more than one track and the the ATS-1 is a stereo tool.
I thought about some of the questions that might be answered.
One of the main reasons for me would just be the price.
For the price of a CLASP you can buy two ATS-1.
You can also mention the maintainance of the tape machine.
Allthough you might have bought, say a rare, Studer or Ampex, it seems that good spare parts are hard to find.
Or is it that people might say the CLASP is a recording tool and the ANAMOD ATS-1 a mastering tool.

Looking out to your reactions.

greetz,

Paul

My question is who and how are you recording? If you want to record ensembles, you'll really be much better off with a CLASP system. If you are the sole performer, and have no need to have 4-10-23 mics live and tracking an ANAMOD might be fine. I have great respect for the ANAMOD guys, but their product is a different thing than the CLASP. CLASP actually records to tape and then the computer records that sound. ANAMOD replicates that process, in two channel instances.

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by Drumsound

My question is who and how are you recording? If you want to record ensembles, you'll really be much better off with a CLASP system. If you are the sole performer, and have no need to have 4-10-23 mics live and tracking an ANAMOD might be fine. I have great respect for the ANAMOD guys, but their product is a different thing than the CLASP. CLASP actually records to tape and then the computer records that sound. ANAMOD replicates that process, in two channel instances.

It's apparent he knows that>>>

Originally Posted by flute player

Hi there all,

To CLASP or to ANAMOD ATS-1, that's the question.
And, YES, I know the CLASP makes it possible to run more than one track and the the ATS-1 is a stereo tool.
greetz,

Paul

[Spiritworks]

I'm not in any position to purchase either but I'm curious: Does CLASP only work with Protools or will it work with any DAW?

[Bosco]

I have used it with ProTools only,but it does work with Logic,Cubase etc....as long as the delay compensation is good in the daw...

[flute player]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

It's apparent he knows that>>>

Thanks Fleaman
But for the ones who want to know who I am.
I run a project studio in The Netherlands writing and recording my own instrumental music.
I consider buying an ANAMOD untill I saw the CLASP system and explained in many videos.

greetz,

Paul

[Dave_Amels]

Originally Posted by flute player

Thanks Fleaman
But for the ones who want to know who I am.
I run a project studio in The Netherlands writing and recording my own instrumental music.
I consider buying an ANAMOD untill I saw the CLASP system and explained in many videos.

greetz,

Paul

Why would you need either if you're considering buying tape machines? Just record to tape.

[Drumsound]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

It's apparent he knows that>>>

Many will read the thread...

Originally Posted by Dave_Amels

Why would you need either if you're considering buying tape machines? Just record to tape.

There is a complete show of class. One of the guys who could profit from the poster's possible purchase saying "don't buy either."

Cheers to you Dave.

[flute player]

Originally Posted by Dave_Amels

Why would you need either if you're considering buying tape machines? Just record to tape.

That might be true Dave.
But a tape machine might come with costs for maintainance.

greetz,

Paul

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by flute player

That might be true Dave.
But a tape machine might come with costs for maintainance.

greetz,

Paul

That's not gonna change with the CLASP.

And if you don't already have a multitrack tape machine, you'll have to factor that purchase cost/maintenance into the CLASP system. By that point, you could be at the cost of 4 Anamods (8trks).

[flute player]

Originally Posted by Fleaman

That's not gonna change with the CLASP.

And if you don't already have a multitrack tape machine, you'll have to factor that purchase cost/maintenance into the CLASP system. By that point, you could be at the cost of 4 Anamods (8trks).

No I don't own a multitrack tape unit yet.
But yes, thst is very true also and makes it difficult to choose.
Multirack instaed of two track, real tape instead of simulated and lower costs instead of higher.
Therefore I started this thread to get a bit of reactions if an ANAMOD
would create the same sound when using real tape.

Greetz,

Paul

[James Lugo]

We have been getting stunning results with Clasp. Never used an Anamod but I gotta tell you I love the art of tape.

[Flying_Dutchman]

i didn´t get this CLASP idea in every detail, sorry
maybe you can help to clear this up, i think this would be interesting for this thread and it would help the original topic
so what happens if i play in real time with the monitoring
i understand that the sequencer track can get an offset, so that the repro head signals get there sample accurate
but if i play guitar for example and want to hear the sound through the tape machine, there´s still the delay, even if the daw playback would start later??
i got a tape machine some month ago and decided "against" anamod, but there are many anamod lovers here, better try on your own imo

[Dave_Amels]

I've only been using tape for my projects lately. That's very different than using CLASP or the ATS-1. There are no computers / digitization involved.

It's a great way to work if you're only working for yourself. You wouldn't need a computer for clients who can't play.

[syra]

Originally Posted by Flying_Dutchman

i didn´t get this CLASP idea in every detail, sorry
maybe you can help to clear this up, i think this would be interesting for this thread and it would help the original topic
so what happens if i play in real time with the monitoring
i understand that the sequencer track can get an offset, so that the repro head signals get there sample accurate
but if i play guitar for example and want to hear the sound through the tape machine, there´s still the delay, even if the daw playback would start later??
i got a tape machine some month ago and decided "against" anamod, but there are many anamod lovers here, better try on your own imo

With clasp you use the tape machine as an outboard piece of gear. The same way you'd go lets say through a compressor and end up in your DAW, the same way you hit tape, get the sound and then end up in your DAW.

You monitor directly from the input. You won't be hearing yourself recorded to tape when you play live but that is not really important. Monitoring directly from the input means absolutely zero "0" latency which is great.

[syra]

Let me also add that IMO if you don't own a tape machine already the combo of "good condition tape machine + clasp" may be too much $$$. Of course if you need 24 tracks of analog goodness, then go for it.

I heard great things from people who use the anamod but I think its not direct competition. For starters 2 tracks vs 24. Considering the market of new 24 trk analog recorders is dead, clasp was initially geared towards people who already had tape machines and they were collecting dust since the dawn of DAWs... with clasp you can have all the power of digital, with the sound of analog.

ps. I am a happy owner of a beautiful Studer A820 2-track.

[Flying_Dutchman]

Originally Posted by syra

With clasp you use the tape machine as an outboard piece of gear. The same way you'd go lets say through a compressor and end up in your DAW, the same way you hit tape, get the sound and then end up in your DAW.

You monitor directly from the input. You won't be hearing yourself recorded to tape when you play live but that is not really important. Monitoring directly from the input means absolutely zero "0" latency which is great.

Thanks for clearing this up, but than it´s just a sample pre-delay of the track going through, like you can do with the voxengo free plug and knowing your time.
so where´s the invention a nd where are my $s?

[James Lugo]

Unfortunately voxengo does not work with pt. The monitoring with CLASP is insane and makes playing just more fun too. We've had ours for a couple months and use it everyday. Personally I like the sound of everything better hitting tape. After years of everything tracked and mixed itb my ears just grew tired of the sound and I found myself very unexcited about recording. Now I'm actually having fun again and wrote 2 songs for myself and am tracking drums this week. With all this you gotta follow your heart, if computer recording blows your skirt up then great, if tape only does it great, if hybrid does it then great. For me and my clients hybrid with CLASP worked and I am so happy I went for it.

[Roc Mixwell]

Originally Posted by James 'LA' Lugo

We have been getting stunning results with Clasp. Never used an Anamod but I gotta tell you I love the art of tape.

Don't cha mean, the "new" art of tape w/ C.L.A.S.P?

I was hanging at a session @ Yellow Dog Studios, in Austin for SXSW, where they operate C.L.A.S.P, w/ a very familiar MCI-JH24 - along side a PTHD rig of course with many AD/DA16x's.

I watched them track some really excellent stuff w/ CLASP, with their 1608 as the front and back end, and I will never forget hearing, [the musicianship, artistry, engineering and production was phenomenal] specifically WAY less top end, and much more forgiving response when pro-tools session played back. It was really satisfying to hear actually.

And the fact that CLASP helped the motion of this recording through the mediums available in one fell swoop; it undoubtedly saved these guys from added time/energy needed to accomplish such a goal. Clearly this devices greatly simplifies things in order to accommodate the aforementioned people better in efforts to do their creative and musical thing.

I have briefly used the ATS-1 before and I think its bananas. I would use that box with a tape/daw/w clasp/soup can and string attached to an XLR wire, whatever. Seriously, it's really good.

[James Lugo]

Originally Posted by Roc Mixwell

Don't cha mean, the "new" art of tape w/ C.L.A.S.P?

No I meant art of tape. The art of how I do tape today. You're still using and maintaining a machine, tape is spinning as always.