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The best flanger

what is the best (studio) flanger short of using two tape machines. Anybody use a Marshall time modulator (or got one for sale)?
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The Marshall Time Mod is dope. The MXR flanger is dope. The TC XII Phaser pedal. The Megaflanger plug in in PT is pretty cool, as is MondoMod. All the flanger programs in the M5000 are incredible.
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man, there are so many of them. im diggin my moogerfooger 12stage phaser a lot. i have been holding onto this zoom 9000 pedal SOLELY for its flanger, its noisy as hell but has suck a killer sound to it. i usually go for the phaser sound over the flangers, but they are close to the same beast in application. ill even run the two inline with each other to get even more wicked.

im always using stomp boxes for this kind of stuff over studio "rack" stuff, they are dirtier or something. most digi stuff just doesnt sound "right" to me when they include that type of effect.... although the deep phase nine is pretty nice for a plugin, that combined with their orbit plug is a nice combo.

as always, its hard to recommend a "best" without knowing the source.
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If anyone is interested, I have one of those 4 space MXR racks with two Auto Flangers and two Auto Phasers for sale. I want 2k for whole rack. The condition is excellent. Fletcher bought my other MXR rack from me a few months back and he was very happy about the purchase. These are great flangers and phasers and they are hard to find. I would keep them, but I need cash more than I need these things.
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too bad they arent mini limiters instead.
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Believe it or not, the Alesis AirFX is quite good.

Not because it's a powerful unit, but because you control it with your hands, it's much more natural sounding.

Most Flanges keep sweeping constantly. But a tape machine or two turntables is more varied.
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The old Eventide 910 can do a great flange effect. Give it a shot.
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Three suggestions that works for me:

Lexicon PCM 70

TC Chorus/Flanger stomp box (incredibly useful little thing!)

TC M-One


Painted from memory:

Some flangers in Alesis Quadraverb+ was quite good, as I recall them.

Electro Harmonix' Electric Mistress is a trippy unit, very much in-your-face sounding.

I liked Mod Pro from Line 6.

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i like my TC M1xl's flange...hell i love that machine.....
heres a nice effect i've been experimenting with
leslie 20 with an old as hell ampeg amp....slow speed...a deep chorus with the time set just a bit off the speed of the leslie...run it back out through the duncan amp and use two mics one near and one at about 6'...move them till the phase is a bit out and mix to taste...its not flanged but its clear and has a cool vibe....
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the original Eventide Instant Flanger ??
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For now .... TC fireworks on digital insert in ProTools or the waves plugs ......
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Auto Flangers are pretty damn cool. I heard em knowingly for the first time on an act Fletcher recorded. V F good.

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wot alot of flangers

how do you do the original flange ?
is it the same as tape phazing ? ie you are twoddlin your flanges on your tape machine to vari speed one machine against tother ?
what makes it flange not phase ?

but appart from that i prefer the mutron flaNGE gtr pedal
with the natty foot pad......its gloopy

i love flange yuktyy
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Dimention D . baby...

Very cool box I have only had the pleasure to use twice... Sounded HUGE!!
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The Marshall was really nice but more radical than tape. It used analog delay lines with a companding noise rediction system similar to DBX to make it quiet enough.
I was really dfegad when they refused to repair ours and have avoided all of their subsuquent products.
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Steve St. is too busy being a 'Genius' to bother with repairs??
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Steve St. is too busy being a 'Genius' to bother with repairs??
That makes sense - I'm too busy being a genuis to mow the yard...
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I've got a Loft 450 analog delay that does great, fat flanging. (even fatter chorusing)

Perhaps Erik at BF could get to work on a plugin version? rollz
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Lovetone Flange With No Name (AKA ?TM) - sublime pedal
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I'm still looking for a great flanger. I'd love to get one of the MXR rackmount ones but I can't find one for a reasonable price ($250 or less). For pedals the MXR and Electric Mistress are pretty cool but the ADA is the fukkin bomb!
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The MXR rack I got from Lord Alvin is ****ing amazing... it has 2x Auto-Phasors and 2x Auto-Flangers and you can lock the VCO's on any of them so with a little 'auto-panning' and these critters you can get shit spinning around the listeners head even out of speakers!! Fuggedaboudit in a 'surround' application!!! It's too cool for humans to experience.

The Loft 440 and 450 are seriously cool, as if the early Eventide stuff... but they still don't beat doing it for real with a couple of 1/4" decks [IMNSHO].
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The ones I use are either the SDE-3000 delay or my old Boss stompbox. I have never found a need for a high quality dedicated flanger, so these meet my humble needs.
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don't forget the Bell flanger (they were made in UK)...very cool.
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The MXR rack I got from Lord Alvin is ****ing amazing... it has 2x Auto-Phasors and 2x Auto-Flangers and you can lock the VCO's on any of them so with a little 'auto-panning' and these critters you can get shit spinning around the listeners head even out of speakers!! Fuggedaboudit in a 'surround' application!!! It's too cool for humans to experience.\[IMNSHO].
you should try those moogerfoogers sometime... with a 251 control center, or better yet... when the voyager comes out and use the tactile surface and CV. and im NOT talking about those shitty ass butt****try plugins... those things blow.
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I keep one of those old ADA's in the closet. I love it when things are gettin' wacky! SUPER JUICY!
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Re: The best flanger

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what is the best (studio) flanger short of using two tape machines. Anybody use a Marshall time modulator (or got one for sale)?
Try the Roland SBF-325 flanger. It's got a few modes and as a bonus it has a chorus setting that's of the same era as the classic Roland/Boss choruses.

The MXR Flanger/Doubler is nice too.

Other units that are harder to source for a decent price include the AMS DM 2.20 (They call it a tape phase simulator, but it really does nice flanging and other weirdness) and the Dynacord TAM 21

As far as MTM's go, let's just say this - when they are working they are the best sounding flanger/fx unit made. On the other hand, every MTM I've owned has died on me. Mr. St. Croix has 2 of my units (an early prototype and a 5002 that was going to be upgraded to a 5402) and he's had them for a number of years. He has never made the service manual available and to my knowledge isn't actively repairing any units. A tech in Calif. has done some work reverse engineering the units and has repaired a couple.

Usual issues with them include the weirdass +-20v power supply that connects via an edge connector at the rear of the unit, the power diodes tend to blow, and the dbx noise cards can fail. Early Eventide Harmonizers (910/949) used a dbx card that was very similar and I believe they can be harvested to repair an MTM.

Given all that, a working MTM can produce a flange deep enough and with very sharp resonant peaks and feedback to blow up any speaker system made.... (that's a good thing)
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I really like the Ibanez FL9, super versatile. but stay away from the Rocktron Hypnotic Flange. It is far too subtle, and it's maximum depth isn't very deep.
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I love the Foxrox TZF Paradox. True thru-zero flanging!

Pos/neg resonance, envelope control, knob/pedal control, speed, mix, stereo outputs (all true bypass using audio relays), 9VAC operation, all-analog bucket brigade delay (BBD) based flanging, compander based noise reduction, emphasis/de-emphasis noise reduction, internal circuitry runs at 36V DC, split into plus and minus 18V.

TZF1

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Did I just post about a pedal in high-end? Yep - it's a high-end pedal! Dave Fox rocks!


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FoxRox is very cool and Dave Fox is has a great rep for customer support.

I have his CC2 (Captain Coconut 2) and it's the greatest Hendrix-Landau in a box ever. Tragic that he discontinued it.
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