Trident HG3 Monitors - AMAZING!!!!

[voidar]

Originally Posted by Immersion

Was you aware that there was a 3 leg version ? basically the more heavy the better, but I still wonder is the plate still big enough for the HG3s ?
Unity Audio - Monolith

Yes, I saw that. Quite crude, but it's either that or the Zaor for me.

The base won't cover it entirely, but if Harvey says it works ..

[Immersion]

Originally Posted by Harvey Gerst

Unscrew the spikes, put a piece of 12" x 12" (300mm x 300mm) under-carpet foam padding on top of the stands, and you're good to go.

Thanks, that would be an alterntive. But they also write " custom sizes are available" what it is the perfect size for the HG3 if I would order a custom size.

[Immersion]

Originally Posted by voidar

Yes, I saw that. Quite crude, but it's either that or the Zaor for me.

The base won't cover it entirely, but if Harvey says it works ..

for me Zaor is pretty much out of the picture. The 3 legged version of Monolith seem better to me

it does weigh 30kg, I wonder how much the shipping would cost, 60kg totally
I actually think that shipping cost might be a problem..

[voidar]

You could contact Golden Age Music. They deal with Unity audio stuff.

[pahji@yahoo.com]

Mr. Harvey any distributors in India? Anyway to get a demo piece across? Really interested in hearing them.

Cheers



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[Immersion]

Originally Posted by voidar

You could contact Golden Age Music. They deal with Unity audio stuff.

yes you are right about that. I was surprised to see that the Isostand is 45kg can that really be correct ? 45 per piece ? They look more lighter, and metal is certainly more heavy then wood ?

[voidar]

I think the shaft and bolt on the Zaor is metal? So it's mostly metal. Not hard to believe at all. Also the SOS review Some online shops like Thomann.de and Musicstore.de have very low or free shipping.

Zaor - ISOSTAND 40/40 schwarz : Cable / stative / media & accessories

[Immersion]

Originally Posted by voidar

You could contact Golden Age Music. They deal with Unity audio stuff.

yes you are right about that. I was surprised to see that the Isostand is 45kg can that really be correct ? 45 per piece ? They look more lighter, and metal is certainly more heavy then wood ?

ok, I thought they where more like 10-15 kg to be honest.
Well if they weigh 45kg I might not give up hope totally on the isostands then, they are atleast heavy.

[Immersion]

Time to pack up my HG3s

[Immersion]

they look very nice, now it is even more hurry to decide what monitor stand to buy!

[hans_beiger]

All those big engineering people who are saying great things about the HG3, have they actually bought or do they actually use those speakers at the moment ?

Dear Harvey, how did you come around the box resonances ? Do you guarantee that if I take out the speaker from the enclosure, slide my finger in the enclosure and snap my finger it won't sound like a box ?

[myles]

Originally Posted by hans_beiger

All those big engineering people who are saying great things about the HG3, have they actually bought or do they actually use those speakers at the moment ?

Dear Harvey, how did you come around the box resonances ? Do you guarantee that if I take out the speaker from the enclosure, slide my finger in the enclosure and snap my finger it won't sound like a box ?

[Harvey Gerst]

Originally Posted by hans_beiger

All those big engineering people who are saying great things about the HG3, have they actually bought or do they actually use those speakers at the moment ?

Most do use them, yes.

Originally Posted by hans_beiger

Dear Harvey, how did you come around the box resonances ? Do you guarantee that if I take out the speaker from the enclosure, slide my finger in the enclosure and snap my finger it won't sound like a box ?

That's actually a very good question, Hans. Box resonances can be a problem, especially with 2 way systems. The largest unsupported area is around 12", and that's about the distance between opposing walls. If we removed all the padding in the enclosure , you might hear reflections if we did your test. But, they'd be up above 1200 Hz.

Keep in mind that the steep 1st crossover is at 320 Hz, So the woofer and enclosure won't really reflect those higher frequencies. The bulk (if not all) of the frequencies of a finger snap will be produced by the mid and high speakers in the fully damped and isolated cylinder. It's a tube, and a tube doesn't have the same sound as a box.

So the answer is yes; if you do the finger-snap test in the woofer box (and removed all the internal padding), you might hear some high box reflections, but since there is nothing coming out of the woofer at those frequencies, those resonances won't be excited.

Does make sense to you, Hans?

[hans_beiger]

Originally Posted by Harvey Gerst

Most do use them, yes.

Names if possible please ?

Originally Posted by Harvey Gerst

That's actually a very good question, Hans. Box resonances can be a problem, especially with 2 way systems. The largest unsupported area is around 12", and that's about the distance between opposing walls. If we removed all the padding in the enclosure , you might hear reflections if we did your test. But, they'd be up above 1200 Hz.

Keep in mind that the steep 1st crossover is at 320 Hz, So the woofer and enclosure won't really reflect those higher frequencies. The bulk (if not all) of the frequencies of a finger snap will be produced by the mid and high speakers in the fully damped and isolated cylinder. It's a tube, and a tube doesn't have the same sound as a box.

So the answer is yes; if you do the finger-snap test in the woofer box (and removed all the internal padding), you might hear some high box reflections, but since there is nothing coming out of the woofer at those frequencies, those resonances won't be excited.

Does make sense to you, Hans?

Thank you so much for being open to this discussion Harvey, this shows the type of man that you are and the type of product that you want to share to the world, and I really appreciate it.

If I understand properly, you have "completely" tamed the low frequency resonances(below 320hz) of the subwoofer enclosure, with the use of padding. Is it right ? So you give your word that there won't be any boxy resonant sound whatsoever?

Speaking about the cylinder, yes a cylinder resonates in a different way when compared to a box but it is still unwanted resonance. So it's just replacing a box resonance with a cylindrical(tube) resonance? Please clear my confusion.

Dear Harvey, would you care to describe how you went into solving the doppler-distortion and inter-modulation issues ? You can be very technical if you wish.

May I please know who are your retailers for the German market ?

[OnGearRow]

Originally Posted by hans_beiger

May I please know who are your retailers for the German market ?

Digitalaudioservice.

[Harvey Gerst]

Originally Posted by hans_beiger

Thank you so much for being open to this discussion Harvey, this shows the type of man that you are and the type of product that you want to share to the world, and I really appreciate it.

At my age (75 years old), it's a lot easier to simply tell the truth rather than fabricate some nonsense that I'll have to try to remember later.

Originally Posted by hans_beiger

If I understand properly, you have "completely" tamed the low frequency resonances(below 320hz) of the subwoofer enclosure, with the use of padding. Is it right ? So you give your word that there won't be any boxy resonant sound whatsoever?

We're confusing terms. Snapping your fingers inside an open, un-padded box will produce high frequency "reflections," not "resonances". Unlike most two way systems, the woofer is limited to only producing low notes, so no ringing is possible at finger snap frequencies. The padding is mainly used to create a larger "acoustical space" for the woofer.

"Resonances" are caused when a low frequency note causes a whole wall of the cabinet to vibrate. We used very small panels to eliminate any chance of resonance from the enclosure. If there is a "boxy sound," none of the hundreds of people who have heard the HG3's noticed it.

Originally Posted by hans_beiger

Speaking about the cylinder, yes a cylinder resonates in a different way when compared to a box but it is still unwanted resonance. So it's just replacing a box resonance with a cylindrical (tube) resonance? Please clear my confusion.

The cylinder doesn't resonate, and it's packed full of padding to eliminate the chance of reflections or ringing.

Originally Posted by hans_beiger

Dear Harvey, would you care to describe how you went into solving the doppler-distortion and inter-modulation issues ? You can be very technical if you wish.

No need to be very technical; the woofer and the port are located on the outside of the box. The woofer crossover is set very low to prevent the mids or high frequencies from riding on the woofer as most two-way speakers do. The mid and tweeter are on the inside of the nearfields to lower pollution caused by that sound trying to pass thru the air turbulence created by the woofer and port.

Does all this attention to detail really work? To my ear, yes, it does, but you have to hear the improvement in imaging to appreciate it. It's better than anything I've ever heard, but there's no standard test to compare imaging between speakers.

[Immersion]

Here is one more in depth review, enjoy!

- Trident HG3 Close Field Monitoring System : Featured Reviews : Recording Magazine -

[radiovoiceone]

Harvey, you have the patience of Job!!!

[Russell Dawkins]

Congratulations on that review, Harvey and Russ!

I went to the Trident site, looked at the Ted Perlman comments on the HG3 and noticed he had mounted the speakers not only extraordinarily high, but had the rotating modules to the outside. This must be a forgiving design to sound good (as they apparently do) positioned like that.

[voidar]

Having finally aquired some stands for my HG3s I got to try them for real yesterday. Only in the living room so far watching a couple of movies and listening to various types of music.

I must say I am pleasantly surpriced so far and impressed at how well they handle that "block-buster-movie-theatre" sub.

You definitely don't need a sub for these.

Hooked up via XLR with amps set to max, they are dead quiet when not playing.

Looking forward to set up my studio around these.

[Immersion]

Originally Posted by voidar

Having finally aquired some stands for my HG3s I got to try them for real yesterday. Only in the living room so far watching a couple of movies and listening to various types of music.

I must say I am pleasantly surpriced so far and impressed at how well they handle that "block-buster-movie-theatre" sub.

You definitely don't need a sub for these.

Hooked up via XLR with amps set to max, they are dead quiet when not playing.

Looking forward to set up my studio around these.

Nice to hear!
I am sure I will be in heaven also when I hear this...

I need to buy a sound card, monitor stand, and monitor controller first, I hopefully have all set up in the beginning of next month I hope.

[Harvey Gerst]

Originally Posted by radiovoiceone

Harvey, you have the patience of Job!!!

I'm working on it, but I don't think I'll make it to 140 years old (like Job did).

And Job was a "prophet." At best, I'll show a small "profit" this year.

[Harvey Gerst]

Originally Posted by Russell Dawkins

Congratulations on that review, Harvey and Russ!

I went to the Trident site, looked at the Ted Perlman comments on the HG3 and noticed he had mounted the speakers not only extraordinarily high, but had the rotating modules to the outside. This must be a forgiving design to sound good (as they apparently do) positioned like that.

Yeah, I saw that in the video. I'd say something to him, but he has way more gold records than I have. Those are mounted where his old speakers were.

[nickknack]

Nice speakers Harvey. Competitive pricing as well.

Those are mounted where his old speakers were.

Which sort of tells me has has golden ears. His placing or spacing were paramount to the way he worked.

What were his previous set? Anyone!!!!!

Cheers

[Immersion]

The HG3 has been available for how many months now ???
Still very little fuzz about them. only 2-3 reivews...
I find it strange..especially cause of the good pricing it should
appeal to a big audience..

[dbjp]

Originally Posted by Immersion

The HG3 has been available for how many months now ???
Still very little fuzz about them. only 2-3 reivews...
I find it strange..especially cause of the good pricing it should
appeal to a big audience..

You've had the damn things for a good while now, yet you're STILL looking for reviews? Put them on a table and listen to them! Make you own mind up!

[Immersion]

Originally Posted by dbjp

You've had the damn things for a good while now, yet you're STILL looking for reviews? Put them on a table and listen to them! Make you own mind up!

Well I do not even have a sound card, so it is hard at the moment to do that. I am waiting for the Orion32 feedback.

[Immersion]

I am not talking about reviews, just little fuzz about them in general...the sells can't have been good so far...

[dbjp]

'buzz'

[Immersion]

Originally Posted by dbjp

'buzz'

Buzz sorry.