Which Of These Mics Would You Put On A Bass Cab

[popkid]

Hi, I´m gonna reamp bass next week and thought I´d just ask you guys which of these mics you would chose for that application.
The mics are;

Phantom C
U87
r121
AKG d112
SM57
SM58
SP B3

Pre is a 512c and I just got my hands on a La-4a. Would you use the La-4a in this chain?

My plan is to use low end from the DI track and the other frequencies from the cab. Of course I´m gonna listen myself and see which I like, but nevertheless, some advice is allways nice.

Thanks a lot!

[Riad]

I've used the D112 on bass cab, I like it.

[Bob Ross]

Sort of depends on what kind of bass amp & speaker cab you'll be using.

[cdog]

Phantom C

[popkid]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Sort of depends on what kind of bass amp & speaker cab you'll be using.

I called the studio that Im gonna be in but unfortunately the guy that I got to talk to was unsure of what models they had... He just knew that they had a Marshall 4x10 bass cab + a marshall bass amp, a Hartke 4x10 cab + amp and a bassman (he was not sure which modell).

So no SVT........

[popkid]

Originally Posted by cdog

Phantom C

Close or a bit out?

[gatormusic]

Of those you listed, I've used the D112. We use a tube amp, old 4 ten tweed Bassman. Sure sounds rich and full in a mix.
Gator

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by popkid

Pre is a 512c and I just got my hands on a La-4a. Would you use the La-4a in this chain?

Sure.... That's one of the only things I would use it on.

[popkid]

Haven´t had time to try out the la-4a so so I dont know its sonics. We´ll see what happens.

Thanks for your answers!

[rlnyc]

Originally Posted by popkid

Hi, I´m gonna reamp bass next week and thought I´d just ask you guys which of these mics you would chose for that application.
The mics are;

Phantom C
U87
r121
AKG d112
SM57
SM58
SP B3

either the 121 or the 112 will give you the best and most defined bottom end. the phantom c might be worth a shot, but 57/58 and b3 ain't for me. ymmv.

regards,
rlnyc

[bukarin]

Generally when recording bass I will use the DI for attack and to cut through the mix but most of the body of the sound and bottom end will come from the amp. With that in mind you obviousley need a mic which can reproduce low frequncies well, from the list I would say both the U87 and Phantom C would be cool. When recording bass it can also be good to use a guitar amp to give you some overdrive/distortion or extra midrange flavour which you may not get from some bass amps. Blending the DI (with Sans Amp - my favourite), a good sounding bass amp and maybe a Hiwatt or Orange guitar amp sound can work amazingly and stop you from needing to eq too much when mixing.

If you do try this setup use the Royer or 57 on the guitar cab, the bottom end of this is not critical and can be filtered out if required. Above all listen to the track and see what fits and make sure you check the phase and timing between all of the sources.

[84K]

121

[Jim Williams]

RE-20.

At least it gives an honest 20 hz.

Hey, NO proximity effect so you won't get "Juke Box" bass! The low end won't shift around as you move the mic back and forth.

A review of the AKG D112 frequency plot will show it has no low end depth.

Jim Williams
Audio Upgrades

[84K]

If an RE-20 was listed as a choice, I would have voted for it too.

[popkid]

Reading these answers and some related stuff here on GS, it is clear that people do this in different ways (as if that was something new...).

Some use attack and cut through from the DI and the low end (under 100hz) from the amp. Some do the opposit.

I did record through a Sansamp RBI, so I´ve got 1 DI track and 1 track Sansamp.
I like the RBI but i dont think it really works on its own. Feels like the bass needs to be a little bit more.... 3D?

Anyway... Thanks very much for all answers! I´ll definately try the bass amp+ guitar amp combo suggested by Bukarin and I guess I have to try all of the mics on the bass amp exept the dynamics and the china mic.

Jim Williams, I checked out the d112 graph, you´re right about it´s low end respons, at least on paper

Unfortunately, I do not have the chance to try a RE-20.

[popkid]

Im still curious though at what distance you guys usually put the mic?

[Harley-OIART]

RE-20
MD-421
Phantom C @ 6-8 inches

Cheers,
Scott

[7rojo7]

I have some phantom Vs but the phantom c will have a bit of proximity effect up close.
I'd use the 87 in omni close to the best sounding driver, dead room, even a doghouse. Dont compress the signal going into the amp, compress it after the mic, you might be able to get awy with none if you get the right sound from the amp. How are they reamping it? I have a TD1, you need some kind of box to feed the amp the proper signal.

[Ted Copulate]

It depends on the style of music and bass player. For a more modern, notey, fusion kind of tone where you want all the notes to come through I'd go with the Royer for low end mixed with the U87 for attack (filter out everything below 90-100k).

For mixes where the guitars are more dense and the bass is purely for low end I'd try the D112, maybe augmented with the SM57 or U87 if more pick/fingers on string high-end type tone is desired.

[Ted Copulate]

Originally Posted by 7rojo7

I have some phantom Vs but the phantom c will have a bit of proximity effect up close.
I'd use the 87 in omni close to the best sounding driver, dead room, even a doghouse. Dont compress the signal going into the amp, compress it after the mic, you might be able to get awy with none if you get the right sound from the amp. How are they reamping it? I have a TD1, you need some kind of box to feed the amp the proper signal.

What compressors have you used before the amp? Usually I'm not big on stompbox compressors but the Carl Martin Compressor/Limiter is amazing and the closest to transparent I've ever seen in a pedal. When I use it my bassist can't hear the difference in his tone yet it evens out the levels enough to where I almost never compress in the mix, although it certainly helps that he's a great bassist through great gear.

[Anderson]

PhantomV in Omni will work better than the C... Could someone maybe lend you one so you can try?

I would go for the 121 and/or D112. True that RE20 would be great as well.

Cheers

[popkid]

Ok, the guitars will be pretty dense in the mix and the bassplayer plays with a pick so I guess I´m after a "modern rock sound" on the bass. The DI + the sansamp sounds pretty good together but I´m still missing something...

Anderson, I have a friend who has a Phantom V so maybe I´ll give that a shot as well.

Apparently there´s a Beta 52 and a couple of MD421´s in the studio as well.

Reading these posts, i which I could get my hands on a RE20...

Thanks again.

[PhilE]

421 or RE20 - even an SM7 with a U47

but from your list...

87 with 57 I guess.

[rlnyc]

Originally Posted by Jim Williams

RE-20.

At least it gives an honest 20 hz.

Jim Williams
Audio Upgrades

that mic isn't on the guy's list.

best,
rlnyc

[Brandino221]

Try also using the 57 on the Tweeter along with another mic on the speaker.

[Jim Williams]

Originally Posted by popkid

Reading these posts, i which I could get my hands on a RE20...

Thanks again.

They're only $375, go down to SamAshGuitarCenterSweetwaterFullCompass and buy one, you will find many uses for it.

Jim Williams
Audio Upgrades

[popkid]

Originally Posted by Jim Williams

They're only $375, go down to SamAshGuitarCenterSweetwaterFullCompass and buy one,

And even cheaper on ebay so I might buy one then.

[Doublehelix]

Any comments on comparing the SM7 to the RE20 for bass cabs?

[mtstudios@charter]

Originally Posted by popkid

Hi, I´m gonna reamp bass next week and thought I´d just ask you guys which of these mics you would chose for that application.
The mics are;

Phantom C
U87
r121
AKG d112
SM57
SM58
SP B3

Pre is a 512c and I just got my hands on a La-4a. Would you use the La-4a in this chain?

My plan is to use low end from the DI track and the other frequencies from the cab. Of course I´m gonna listen myself and see which I like, but nevertheless, some advice is allways nice.

Thanks a lot!

RE 20, yaa, it isn't on the list, but should be.

www.bluethumbproductions.com

[Nu-tra]

I would probably use the d112 about 6 to 10 inches back

My first choice would be an RE20 then a Beta 52.. I like the Beta 52 for bass cabinets more than kick... It sounds like magic on a svt cab .


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