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Why are you guys responding to a 2 year old thread?
Once in a while, it's just for sumthin' to do.
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Since I was reading a 2 year old thread I might as well type something.. ummm save your money and make em sing and play in the bathroom
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Are freelancers using your place or is all in house engineering?

Is it an SSL studio or is it a PTools project studio?

Are you mixing in surround or all stereo?


All of these should factor in your decisions.

If its an SSL place,with freelancers coming in and out and the work is mostly stereo mixing than the 480L is a no brainer and yes the extra cash will make it worth it.

If its a PTools power project studio that plans to adopt the future(surround mixing with all TV's going HD) than i would consider something besides the 480L and 300L.

i always thought when starting way long ago, that the 300l sounded better...

i dont remember where, but i did something a while back that suggested that the algorythms were indeed different...

id go with the 300, but as thrill said, engineer dont like things they dont know, and it will make a difference in how they book yr room, if you ever go that route...
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yikes....just saw roundbadge's now 2 year old post...

hence a 4 year old thread now.
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Gotta go for a 2009 thread in 2012 - Get a 300M/L or get a Quadraverb, both the 480L & Quadraverb are about ready for the heap ......300M/L Strong as ever! Single Algo is 1.5 x 1 single 480L Algo! (No one ever thought you could use the 300 Analog & Digital Outs & In's so that = x 6 Input/Output Vs. A 480L = X 4 Outs/2 Inputs - Game/Set/Match!

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Funny how this old thread keeps on going and going...

So, does the original poster have it sorted? Well, I picked up a great-sounding AKG BX10 a few years ago which continues to be my main desk reverb. I've also got the trusty PCM70 in the rack, so between these two and the usual plug-ins I've been pretty well covered.

However, since this thread keeps coming back, I may need to go ahead and buy a 300 after all... -- JB
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However, since this thread keeps coming back, I may need to go ahead and buy a 300 after all... -- JB
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Right, you cannot have too many effects....


Sold my 480 but kept the 300
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Funny how this old thread keeps on going and going...

So, does the original poster have it sorted? Well, I picked up a great-sounding AKG BX10 a few years ago which continues to be my main desk reverb. I've also got the trusty PCM70 in the rack, so between these two and the usual plug-ins I've been pretty well covered.

However, since this thread keeps coming back, I may need to go ahead and buy a 300 after all... -- JB
Hey, I wonder where you got that BX10!
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Yes, Mr. Belmont helped broker a deal for the BX10 with the folks at the legendary and wonderful Longview Farm studios in Massachusetts. And a lovely reverb it is: very rich, dark, and analog-sounding. Thanks Tony!

In other news, a PCM60 just showed up at the studio door. So now we have a PCM60, PCM70, AKG BX10, Eventide H3000, Roland Space Echo and Chorus Echo's, plus various Effectrons and pedals. But if this thread continues I will feel compelled to purchase another Lexicon...out of honor to the thread gods, and the continued need to spend my money on semi-ancient recording equipment -- JB
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Whatever you do, don't get a PCM96 Surround and expect it to sound like a Lex 300 or 480. I was going to buy a used 480l because I liked the 300 so much, and chickened out because people told me it would "break". Bad mistake.

The 96 aint' bad by a long shot, but it sounds too clean, "white reverb" like a Bricasti.
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Thanks Liquid...I'm definitely not drawn to the newer Lexicons, or most new reverb units in general for that matter. I prefer reverbs that are dark and somewhat dirty or grainy. If anything, I'd consider an old 224x if I could find one that was in decent shape, or perhaps a Lexicon 200. An AMS RMX-16 might also be a possibility -- JB
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Now down to 2 x 300's and a bunch of PCM80's 81/91/H3000/DSP4000 etc.... Though still for me the Bricasti sounds very Erm.."REAL"....almost to real, a touch like being in the mountains and shouting....almost Quantec like real (though that is yet again a very different type of real....City Street or Taj Mahal real)......nope still can't go past them good old Lexicons, must be my Ears tuned to the Verb! Love a PCM-60 though every one I've got near to is busted or noisy! Oh....The pain!
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Still have my PCM60 and 300. Sold my PCM70 many years ago and I still regret it. I don't use the PCM60 on may things except maybe bongos or congas sometimes. Still love the 300 though.

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300 I have a version 1.10 anyone have presets or something to share?, anyway I love it
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I finally picked up a 224x and it's pretty dreamy. I've only had it a short time but I'm really digging it. Very beautiful and inspiring -- JB
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I finally picked up a 224x and it's pretty dreamy. I've only had it a short time but I'm really digging it. Very beautiful and inspiring -- JB
Well........Damn it I am jealous.......I Hope you enjoy the 224x and Nurse it safely through the dark reverb straits ahead.....I very much doubt apart from Quantec, Bricasti & the PCM96/92.... That we will ever see another Hardware Reverb - Especially from Eventide or Lexicon again! ("Read Harmon") Though Digitech's stuff will fly out the door...that Lexicon Reverb flavour we all know, love, crave, wan't & desire to add to a mix, more so need as a mixing tool just isn't going to go Hardware retrograde in any fashion after the PCM96 Firewire trouble and then subsequent Plug In's!

Here's where I think it's getting really interesting: So many people whom were hard core ITB mixers coming back to a Console & outboard Reverb Included. The small Boutique OEM's of Microphones, Eq's, Comp/Lim's & Reverb Plus 500 series racks have brought a new dimension and are having a decent impact. Plug In's like the PCM Lexicon Bundle & Re-vibe LX480 might well appease many for a while though after 4 years for a handful of Algo's - that is a very long path (Inclusive $300 odd Buck 3 year wait of the upgrade path).

So......I can only say - "Hang on to Those Hardware Reverbs & buy 2 of Everything!"
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any difference in sound between the M300 and the 300L or the 224 and the 224X ?
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What......Apart from the Rich Plate of the 224XL in the 480L...in the 300M/L...Yeah, I'd say a lot less nervous sessions and a very different sound, well more modern, very much like the PCM92/96 Vs the M/L300 & 480L? Seriously they are lightyears apart - 1978-1988 224/X/XL -300M/L 1993-2008 The Digital Verbs Sounds different - code - not sure - they don't sound bad, indeed a 300 Algo has 20% more power then 480L Algo x HSP card....So???? Peas & Strawberries!
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no what i mean is there a difference between the 224 and the 224X
is there a difference between the M300 and the 300L
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Between a 224 & XL.....many say indeed yes, I've only had a 224XL & 200M. Though a 300M and a 300L are if EPROM & ROM even essentially the same thing - one has a LARC the other a front Panel - that is why owning both is a god send!.....If a M300 Breaks you stuff in the 300L 3.5 Rom and hook up the Larc & away you go -their kinda like swappable limbs!
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ive got a hand on a 224, the one with the funky remote. is this the better sounding one?
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Nope.......Because you can't hook a 224 into a 480L - and even if you have a private studio you'd need a framelink LR4 and a 300L (All things Lexicon Help Me!)
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verbs off their nut

I have one of the most stupidly pointless and heavily armed mixing rooms in the UK , and have almost all the classic verbs you could imagine

Lexicon 224xl , 480, 300 , 300L, PCM70, PCM 80, Emt 140, Emt 250, AMS RMX16, Ursa Major, Yamaha Rev 1 / 5 / 7 , British spring, Eventide 3000 x2 ...etc etc..

I have to tell you, I would hands DOWN choose the 300 over the 480 for a main verb

It absolutely CUTS IT for front to back room flavours. ' Studio B' ' Studio A' ' Ambience' ' In A Room ' - instant YES every time...

480 I find just tempts you to twiddle your day away sculpting and sliding....

Something about the ' choose a space and hit enter ' experience of the 300 and the fact that it sounds brilliant as a global send really appeals - and that is the reason it has been parked on my SSL aux send for the last 5 years.
I mean it isn't 'Quantec Real' or anything... it just works so much.

And believe me I have tried everything else.

GET IT SORTED

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I have one of the most stupidly pointless and heavily armed mixing rooms in the UK , and have almost all the classic verbs you could imagine Lexicon 224xl , 480, 300 , 300L, PCM70, PCM 80, Emt 140, Emt 250, AMS RMX16, Ursa Major, Yamaha Rev 1 / 5 / 7 , British spring, Eventide 3000 x2 ...etc etc..

I have to tell you, I would hands DOWN choose the 300 over the 480 for a main verb It absolutely CUTS IT for front to back room flavours. ' Studio B' ' Studio A' ' Ambience' ' In A Room ' - instant YES every time...

480 I find just tempts you to twiddle your day away sculpting and sliding....
Something about the ' choose a space and hit enter ' experience of the 300 and the fact that it sounds brilliant as a global send really appeals - and that is the reason it has been parked on my SSL aux send for the last 5 years.
I mean it isn't 'Quantec Real' or anything... it just works so much. And believe me I have tried everything else. GET IT SORTED
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Agreed 100%
I don't think I'd survive in verb land without M/L300's - and fiddling with a 480L can get very testing when time is short - don't get me wrong, it's a lovely verb, though like the PCM80/81 often to many parameters when you want something quickly are just well......to many, a touch like VSIG an a DSP4000....on a 300M/L "Studio A & B" Plus "Ambience" & "Rich Plate" including the "Pitch Shifter" just are so simple - The versatile Output Routing and T/Code + Midi are also a godsend! Indeed Ambience Fills most of my Registers!
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I have one of the most stupidly pointless and heavily armed mixing rooms in the UK , and have almost all the classic verbs you could imagine

Lexicon 224xl , 480, 300 , 300L, PCM70, PCM 80, Emt 140, Emt 250, AMS RMX16, Ursa Major, Yamaha Rev 1 / 5 / 7 , British spring, Eventide 3000 x2 ...etc etc..

I have to tell you, I would hands DOWN choose the 300 over the 480 for a main verb

It absolutely CUTS IT for front to back room flavours. ' Studio B' ' Studio A' ' Ambience' ' In A Room ' - instant YES every time...

480 I find just tempts you to twiddle your day away sculpting and sliding....

Something about the ' choose a space and hit enter ' experience of the 300 and the fact that it sounds brilliant as a global send really appeals - and that is the reason it has been parked on my SSL aux send for the last 5 years.
I mean it isn't 'Quantec Real' or anything... it just works so much.

And believe me I have tried everything else.

GET IT SORTED

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I remember a preset on the 300....was it "Small Ambience" or something..that was just cool...worked on so many things. Loved the 300...of course for the big hall stuff as well.

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Amazed at the Serious Love for the Lexicon M/L300! A great Reverb in so many respects!
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I very much doubt apart from Quantec, Bricasti & the PCM96/92.... That we will ever see another Hardware Reverb - Especially from Eventide or Lexicon again!
Both Eventide and Lexicon have reverb pedals that have been released in the last year (Lexicon through the Digitech branch of Harmon). I haven't heard the Digitech pedals, but the Eventide Space gets rave reviews.

I was just reading a MI sales report, and it looks like the sales of rack-mounted devices have plummeted in the last decade, while stompboxes are steadily increasing, and floor-based multieffects are selling briskly. Something like the Space is complicated enough that it might fit into the multieffects realm.
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