Apogee AD16X DA16x - running hot temperature

PapaQ · 29th November 2009, 10:26 PM

Hi, this is my 1st posting on G*********,
I have apogee AD16X and DA16X and a HD192, PT3 HD 8.0 Mac, they are on most of the time, studio is busy, They seem very hot to touch (front of them) tyhe HD192 is not hot temp. any ideas? is this normal? Control room temp varis from 70F to 74F when busy
they are in Rack together, as shown in most pics i have seen, 192 then ADX then DAX , there are no vents or anything being covered. only thing below them is a HHB Burner that is off most of the time. air folow is average - good

MarkyGoldstein · 29th November 2009, 11:08 PM

You need to give them 1" space above and below so they can breath.

And I learned that you can calibrate the loudness, and this might have an influence on the temperature.

rstreber · 30th November 2009, 04:58 AM

They run pretty hot - I wouldn't worry about it. I have 2 AD16Xs, 1 DA16X, and a Rosetta 800 all immediately adjacent to one another in my rack, and I've never had problems (at least that were caused by overheating.) I find with mine that after being powered on and working hard for a couple hours or more, they generally are nearly too hot to touch. I think this is normal, but I could be wrong.

ejsongs · 30th November 2009, 05:13 AM

they are built like tanks...it is normal. i have kept mine powered on with no space...blazing hot for years with no issues...great in the winter:)

ej

The MPCist · 30th November 2009, 05:28 AM

No problems with mine -- I've got mine in a machine room with a Daikin AC all for themselves so it's pretty cool in there...

World Studios · 30th November 2009, 06:15 AM

I found them to run even more hot on 230 volt, so i run them
on 115 with a transformer. Plus i keep a blank space above and below. The 192 is colder because it has a noisy fan...

Empire Prod · 30th November 2009, 06:33 AM

They run hot. It's important to give them space and if you can keep them cool with a fan that is a good idea as well.

IntelDoc · 30th November 2009, 06:34 AM

My DA-16X runs hot. My Lynx run HOTTER! Pretty much keep it as cool as possible. Actually talked with Apogee on this when I ran 3 rosetta's and they told me that it was completely normal. I have my DA-16X hanging vertical in a argosy desk and have not had any issues at all (knock on wood please)

Best,

Doc

Daedalus77 · 19th January 2010, 12:17 AM

AD/DA-16X and Rosetta 800 here. Essentially, they're on all the time.

They do run very hot, but we've never had a single issue with them.

We have a full rack space between each, which is what Apogee recommends.

Losing a few rack spaces seemed a small price considering how much is invested in these units.

MarkyGoldstein · 19th January 2010, 01:10 AM

In case you have dropout problems, here is the cure:

please help, dropouts: logic->digi9652->DA16x

Davey_R_2_D_2 · 19th January 2010, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PapaQ

Hi, this is my 1st posting on G*********,
I have apogee AD16X and DA16X and a HD192, PT3 HD 8.0 Mac, they are on most of the time, studio is busy, They seem very hot to touch (front of them) tyhe HD192 is not hot temp. any ideas? is this normal? Control room temp varis from 70F to 74F when busy
they are in Rack together, as shown in most pics i have seen, 192 then ADX then DAX , there are no vents or anything being covered. only thing below them is a HHB Burner that is off most of the time. air folow is average - good

Mine get really hot, even in a ventilated whisper rack. I turn mine off every night after work.
My issue is that the power buttons dont work. So I have to flick the power button to get some of the interfaces to come on. It can take a couple of minutes just to get ONE interface on. Anyone else have this problem?

jb_studio · 19th January 2010, 07:47 AM

Yes, that seems to be a common issue with these units. I call the 16x series "snapogees" for that very reason -- I usually have to snap or flick each switch several times in order to get them to engage. Sometimes this process takes a full minute or more.

If it becomes a real problem for you, there is an internal jumper setting which allows the unit to power on as soon as it's plugged in, bypassing the switches. Check out the manual/website and you'll find all the details -- JB

Davey_R_2_D_2 · 19th January 2010, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb_studio

Yes, that seems to be a common issue with these units. I call the 16x series "snapogees" for that very reason -- I usually have to snap or flick each switch several times in order to get them to engage. Sometimes this process takes a full minute or more.

If it becomes a real problem for you, there is an internal jumper setting which allows the unit to power on as soon as it's plugged in, bypassing the switches. Check out the manual/website and you'll find all the details -- JB

Yeah, I know about the jumper setting. it seems really stupid the overall design of these units. They get incredibly HOT, they take forever to power on... if you get a dodgy power switch(2 of mine are horrible) and to top it off, you have to take the tops off each unit to update the firmware. Why they couldn't put the midi port on the back is beyond me.

MarkyGoldstein · 19th January 2010, 10:07 AM

I have also reorganized electriced to be turned on / off centraly and the Apogee starting automatical. The power buttons are crap.

In my opinion these AD-16X / DA-16X modules are ready for an MKII update... (hopefully with meters and inbuilt zero latency effects monitoring while tracking).

But I guess I would buy them again, even now. The sonic quality of these converters is good.

The MPCist · 19th January 2010, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkyGoldstein

The power buttons are crap. .

Yes they are!!!!

I just spent a few minutes flicking those damn buttons over 30 times just to get it right so they would power up.

MarkyGoldstein · 19th January 2010, 11:01 AM

You have to treat the power button like when you slap on a bass.. seriously... short but hard slap with your finger.

DONNX · 19th January 2010, 11:35 AM

I just sent my apogees back to get the power buttons replaced.

Works like new again, thank GOD!!! Now I know how unreliable they are. I am setting them up to power up when I turn my power conditioner on. No more power button issues.

Apogee support is stellar!

aiff · 19th January 2010, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The MPCist

Yes they are!!!!

I just spent a few minutes flicking those damn buttons over 30 times just to get it right so they would power up.

I've recently started to count how many times I need to press the button before they come on. My record so far is 19 times for 1 unit.
I've been pressing repeatedly 'in a groove' and switched it on then off!! by mistake a few times.

Strangely, I quite like pressing it several times though.

Empire Prod · 21st January 2010, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DONNX

I am setting them up to power up when I turn my power conditioner on. No more power button issues.

Haha I did the same thing. I put them on a dedicated switch on a Monster power conditioner so I don't have to deal with the power buttons at all. Now I just keep people away from the front panels (so I don't have to hear "Hey man these things are frying!!!") and it's all good.

MarkyGoldstein · 21st January 2010, 09:23 PM

After reading about the temperature in the forum threads, it seems this is not a problem, only scary

Daedalus77 · 21st January 2010, 10:00 PM

You'll get used to it.

Plus, it will save on heating costs in the control room. Think of each unit like a REALLY expensive space heater.

I kid, I kid.

29th November 2009, 10:26 PM	#1
PapaQ Gear interested Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1	Apogee AD16X DA16x - running hot temperature Hi, this is my 1st posting on G*********, I have apogee AD16X and DA16X and a HD192, PT3 HD 8.0 Mac, they are on most of the time, studio is busy, They seem very hot to touch (front of them) tyhe HD192 is not hot temp. any ideas? is this normal? Control room temp varis from 70F to 74F when busy they are in Rack together, as shown in most pics i have seen, 192 then ADX then DAX , there are no vents or anything being covered. only thing below them is a HHB Burner that is off most of the time. air folow is average - good

30th November 2009, 04:58 AM	#3
rstreber Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Yonkers, NY Posts: 71	They run pretty hot - I wouldn't worry about it. I have 2 AD16Xs, 1 DA16X, and a Rosetta 800 all immediately adjacent to one another in my rack, and I've never had problems (at least that were caused by overheating.) I find with mine that after being powered on and working hard for a couple hours or more, they generally are nearly too hot to touch. I think this is normal, but I could be wrong. __________________ Ryan Streber Oktaven Audio www.oktavenaudio.com ryanstreber.com

30th November 2009, 05:28 AM	#5
The MPCist Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,483	No problems with mine -- I've got mine in a machine room with a Daikin AC all for themselves so it's pretty cool in there... __________________ THE MPCIST I love analog

30th November 2009, 06:15 AM	#6
World Studios Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Malmö, Sweden Posts: 580	I found them to run even more hot on 230 volt, so i run them on 115 with a transformer. Plus i keep a blank space above and below. The 192 is colder because it has a noisy fan... __________________ Johan Bejerholm World Studios Malmö, Sweden www.worldstudios.se

30th November 2009, 06:34 AM	#8
IntelDoc Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Monument, Co Posts: 140	My DA-16X runs hot. My Lynx run HOTTER! Pretty much keep it as cool as possible. Actually talked with Apogee on this when I ran 3 rosetta's and they told me that it was completely normal. I have my DA-16X hanging vertical in a argosy desk and have not had any issues at all (knock on wood please) Best, Doc __________________ MONUMENT SOUND MONUMENT SOUND ON MYSPACE Monument Sound Fan Page "Changing how people hear music one track at a time"

29th November 2009, 11:08 PM	#2
MarkyGoldstein Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 241	You need to give them 1" space above and below so they can breath. And I learned that you can calibrate the loudness, and this might have an influence on the temperature.

30th November 2009, 05:13 AM	#4
ejsongs Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 343	they are built like tanks...it is normal. i have kept mine powered on with no space...blazing hot for years with no issues...great in the winter:) ej

30th November 2009, 06:33 AM	#7
Empire Prod Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Orange CA Posts: 2,023	They run hot. It's important to give them space and if you can keep them cool with a fan that is a good idea as well.

19th January 2010, 12:17 AM	#9
Daedalus77 Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New York / Virginia Posts: 902	AD/DA-16X and Rosetta 800 here. Essentially, they're on all the time. They do run very hot, but we've never had a single issue with them. We have a full rack space between each, which is what Apogee recommends. Losing a few rack spaces seemed a small price considering how much is invested in these units. __________________ "Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much arguing." — John Milton (1608-1674) My nacent blog... Please visit and contribute? www.fugitivesounds.net

19th January 2010, 01:10 AM	#10
MarkyGoldstein Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 241	In case you have dropout problems, here is the cure: please help, dropouts: logic->digi9652->DA16x

19th January 2010, 07:47 AM	#12
jb_studio Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 116	Yes, that seems to be a common issue with these units. I call the 16x series "snapogees" for that very reason -- I usually have to snap or flick each switch several times in order to get them to engage. Sometimes this process takes a full minute or more. If it becomes a real problem for you, there is an internal jumper setting which allows the unit to power on as soon as it's plugged in, bypassing the switches. Check out the manual/website and you'll find all the details -- JB

19th January 2010, 10:07 AM	#14
MarkyGoldstein Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 241	I have also reorganized electriced to be turned on / off centraly and the Apogee starting automatical. The power buttons are crap. In my opinion these AD-16X / DA-16X modules are ready for an MKII update... (hopefully with meters and inbuilt zero latency effects monitoring while tracking). But I guess I would buy them again, even now. The sonic quality of these converters is good.

19th January 2010, 11:01 AM	#16
MarkyGoldstein Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 241	You have to treat the power button like when you slap on a bass.. seriously... short but hard slap with your finger.

19th January 2010, 11:35 AM	#17
DONNX Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: EN DA STOOL DEE YO G! Posts: 3,449	I just sent my apogees back to get the power buttons replaced. Works like new again, thank GOD!!! Now I know how unreliable they are. I am setting them up to power up when I turn my power conditioner on. No more power button issues. Apogee support is stellar! __________________ DN

21st January 2010, 09:23 PM	#20
MarkyGoldstein Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 241	After reading about the temperature in the forum threads, it seems this is not a problem, only scary

21st January 2010, 10:00 PM	#21
Daedalus77 Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New York / Virginia Posts: 902	You'll get used to it. Plus, it will save on heating costs in the control room. Think of each unit like a REALLY expensive space heater. I kid, I kid. __________________ "Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much arguing." — John Milton (1608-1674) My nacent blog... Please visit and contribute? www.fugitivesounds.net

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