"Real" subwoofer recommendation?

Greg Curtis · 29th November 2009, 08:01 PM

I'm looking for a recommendation on a real subwoofer, one that goes below 20Hz with ease and will put out enough SPL to keep up with ATC 300s in a large (8,500 cubic feet) control room. For 5.1 use.

Plenty of loud, pro subs out there, but most do not go down to below 20Hz +/-3 dB.

thanks,

Greg

ejsongs · 29th November 2009, 08:04 PM

hey greg,

how about the bag-ends stuff?

btw don't you have the focal twins with a sub? how do you like that setup.

ej

O.F.F. · 29th November 2009, 08:29 PM

PMC XB3 may be?

Petrus · 29th November 2009, 09:13 PM

Genelec 7073.

Genelec 7073A - DVD Plaza Forums

or several of these sealed box DIY models:

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/showthread.php?t=65825

all tested subs at:
Subwoofer testit - DVD Plaza Forums

Ilkka · 29th November 2009, 11:01 PM

Hi,

I'm also inclined to recommend Genelec 7073A.

Also 7071A might be enough but hard to tell without trying first.

BTW, one thing about the tests linked by Petrus (I know because I did them

), all Genelecs have a thermal protection circuit which kicked in during long sine sweeps. With typical real world signals protection won't kick in, i.e. they will deliver much more clean SPL.

Greg Curtis · 29th November 2009, 11:23 PM

Thanks, guys. The 7073a looks perfect!

Greg

Waltz Mastering · 29th November 2009, 11:38 PM

Maybe check out the Velodyne or JL Subs
Velodyne
JL Audio - Home Audio Systems

ddageek · 30th November 2009, 05:31 AM

Need to go below 20 hz in a big room
passive bag end
jl audio
or a volt driver in a big box .. Yeah that's my plan as bassboxpro gets here

Petrus · 30th November 2009, 06:45 AM

I have Genelec 7071A with ADAM S3A, and the ADAMs turn themselves off much earlier than the 7071A. Actually the sub has never needed the thermal protection so far, even with the bigger main monitors I used to have.

Basically a pair of 7071 is the same as one 7073, more flexible positioning, "stereo" bass, more expencive.

O.F.F. · 30th November 2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddageek

or a volt driver in a big box .. Yeah that's my plan as bassboxpro gets here

Interestingly PMC XB3s are one large Volt driver in a big box while the Genelec is a bunch of smaller Volt drivers in a big box. Both seem to reach 17Hz in room.

Ilkka · 30th November 2009, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.F.F.

Interestingly PMC XB3s are one large Volt driver in a big box while the Genelec is a bunch of smaller Volt drivers in a big box. Both seem to reach 17Hz in room.

No Volt drivers in Genelec subwoofers, if that's what you meant?

O.F.F. · 30th November 2009, 04:18 PM

That is what I meant, mostly because Volt lists Genelec as customers on their website and bass drivers is all they make.

But obviously you are closer to the truth and I stand corrected!

Petrus · 30th November 2009, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilkka

No Volt drivers in Genelec subwoofers, if that's what you meant?

Peerles XLS-12 modified, then?

ddageek · 30th November 2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.F.F.

That is what I meant, mostly because Volt lists Genelec as customers on their website and bass drivers is all they make.

But obviously you are closer to the truth and I stand corrected!

Volts website hasn't been changed in years. So that could be very old information, but I know Quested still uses them and for the price of 2 vs1115s....

Ilkka · 30th November 2009, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petrus

Peerles XLS-12 modified, then?

Correct.

Ilkka · 30th November 2009, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddageek

Volts website hasn't been changed in years. So that could be very old information, but I know Quested still uses them and for the price of 2 vs1115s....

It has to be very old information as far as I know.

kgdrum_nyc · 30th November 2009, 07:13 PM

JL Audio Fathom 112 is great!

JL Audio - Home Audio Systems

BigJunk · 30th November 2009, 11:52 PM

My boss uses a Velodyne and its great. He runs it with a bypass so he can monitor with and without sub. Its super punchy so its great for pop mixes. I have the Blue Sky system and while it might not be high end, the sub is really great and goes very low. I've done some dance mixing and the super low end thump translates well.

Junk

Thor · 10th December 2009, 11:30 PM

I auditioned a REL Brittania B1 and JL Audio fathom f112 recently for the mastering room.

The fathom is incredibly tight and detailed, can hold a convincing organ tone like nothing else I know, and in my room at least goes to 16-17Hz.

The REL was a disappointment, especially after all the positive things I'd heard about it.

Thor

29th November 2009, 08:01 PM	#1
Greg Curtis Lives for gear Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,017	"Real" subwoofer recommendation? I'm looking for a recommendation on a real subwoofer, one that goes below 20Hz with ease and will put out enough SPL to keep up with ATC 300s in a large (8,500 cubic feet) control room. For 5.1 use. Plenty of loud, pro subs out there, but most do not go down to below 20Hz +/-3 dB. thanks, Greg

29th November 2009, 11:01 PM	#5
Ilkka Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 18	Hi, I'm also inclined to recommend Genelec 7073A. Also 7071A might be enough but hard to tell without trying first. BTW, one thing about the tests linked by Petrus (I know because I did them ), all Genelecs have a thermal protection circuit which kicked in during long sine sweeps. With typical real world signals protection won't kick in, i.e. they will deliver much more clean SPL. __________________ Ilkka Rissanen Genelec R&D

29th November 2009, 11:38 PM	#7
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29th November 2009, 08:04 PM	#2
ejsongs Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 343	hey greg, how about the bag-ends stuff? btw don't you have the focal twins with a sub? how do you like that setup. ej

29th November 2009, 08:29 PM	#3
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29th November 2009, 09:13 PM	#4
Petrus Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Espoo Finland Posts: 264	Genelec 7073. Genelec 7073A - DVD Plaza Forums or several of these sealed box DIY models: http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/showthread.php?t=65825 all tested subs at: Subwoofer testit - DVD Plaza Forums

29th November 2009, 11:23 PM	#6
Greg Curtis Lives for gear Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,017	Thanks, guys. The 7073a looks perfect! Greg

30th November 2009, 06:45 AM	#9
Petrus Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Espoo Finland Posts: 264	I have Genelec 7071A with ADAM S3A, and the ADAMs turn themselves off much earlier than the 7071A. Actually the sub has never needed the thermal protection so far, even with the bigger main monitors I used to have. Basically a pair of 7071 is the same as one 7073, more flexible positioning, "stereo" bass, more expencive.

30th November 2009, 04:18 PM	#12
O.F.F. Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,371	That is what I meant, mostly because Volt lists Genelec as customers on their website and bass drivers is all they make. But obviously you are closer to the truth and I stand corrected!

30th November 2009, 11:52 PM	#18
BigJunk Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 299	My boss uses a Velodyne and its great. He runs it with a bypass so he can monitor with and without sub. Its super punchy so its great for pop mixes. I have the Blue Sky system and while it might not be high end, the sub is really great and goes very low. I've done some dance mixing and the super low end thump translates well. Junk

10th December 2009, 11:30 PM	#19
Thor Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 438	I auditioned a REL Brittania B1 and JL Audio fathom f112 recently for the mastering room. The fathom is incredibly tight and detailed, can hold a convincing organ tone like nothing else I know, and in my room at least goes to 16-17Hz. The REL was a disappointment, especially after all the positive things I'd heard about it. Thor __________________ Sonovo mastering stereo + 5.1 mastering, editing and restoration Stavanger, Norway www.sonovo.no

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