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Growling bass tips needed

ok, I really like the sound of the bass for Chevelle in the song Forefit. Now I know it all starts with the player and all that. Now I am just talking about the tone. Really cuts in the mix big time. I really like that growling bass sound. How can I get that kind of sound/tone tracking and mixing wise?


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Sansamp bass DI ;-)
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It's a combination of some proper compression and eq'ing the bass to get those growling notes to come out in the mix...

That and the performance, but you know that allready.
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The Sansamp RBI.
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So the sansamp bass driver is the key huh? I hope this does the trick.
I got a vintech 273 so maybe I should run a sansamp into that. I hope that will do the trick. I have a Roscoe SKB- 3006. Killer bass. great tone. Hope that works.
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. How can I get that kind of sound/tone tracking and mixing wise?


Thanx my fellow slutz

2 words...

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I've had great results with the Fulltone OCD pedal.

SansAmp Bas Driver will work. I also like to record multple signals so that I can blend regular and distored sounds.

I've liked distortion from a cranked FATSO which is nice because you can relon on the warmth circuit if it gets to harsh. I'm hoping to check out a Culture Vulture soon which I suspect will work well for this application too.
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Sans Amp?

Shoot me.

How about an SVT with a P-bass?

Best "growling" bass I've ever heard... mic it with damn near anything [though an RE-20 is often a favorite]
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I agree 1000 % . . .
But if cost is a factor and SVTs R US is closed,
a sansamp would probably get you into the
neighborhood of growl.
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Sans Amp?

Shoot me.

How about an SVT with a P-bass?
How about a Sans Amp PSA-1 (using a IBP as DI) starting from the 'SVT' setting and tweaking it from there with a hint of dbx 160VU compression? That's what I usually do.
I might also split the signal and get a second channel with straight bass (again the IBP works great) though the PSA-1 on its own mostly gives me what I need. (Great player recommended)
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You can get a growl going on with a nice active Jazz into a bigger Hatke. thats a cheaper way than the SVT.
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I've used a P bass into a Fulltone Fatboost pedal
with a B15 & an ATM25 . . it didn't suck
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Sans Amp?

Shoot me.

How about an SVT with a P-bass?

Best "growling" bass I've ever heard... mic it with damn near anything [though an RE-20 is often a favorite]
Hahahahaha! Still my favorite but...


Terry Manning will have to shoot you or maybe WWittman since they actually were the pushers who got me on the RBI. It's the first sim that fits the bill. Try it.

I'm totally serious.

It still makes me uneasy since it kinda screws with my NOPOD rule.

Be careful, the first one is free.
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It's worth keeping my ART Toob preamp in the rack for distortion...
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The ART MP is definitely capable of distortion, but might not be necessary. Not being familiar with the other options listed, I cannot comment.

These might be a little over your budget, but give them a look: Turn down the main volume on the amp so the player turns up the volume on the bass and pulls the strings farther. Or try it cranked, for speaker distortion. EQ it to emphasize low frequencies. Talk to him about his attack and about the spaces between notes and play him the track you need him to sound like, then record him while it's fresh in his mind. Raise the pickup a little bit toward the strings and/or lower the action (and then fix the intonation, which will go out when you mess with the action) but dont put them too too close together. Change the position of your cabinet mic(s). Try them off-center and very close. If all that doesn't work, hire a bass player.

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Ampeg B15N or SVT.

We've really been digging the B15 lately. Thanks WW.

And when we're not digging the B15, we dig the SVT. Thanks Fletcher.
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Er, Rickenbacker? thumbsup Or a P-bass. Into the above mentioned.
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Sans Amp?

Shoot me.

How about an SVT with a P-bass?

Best "growling" bass I've ever heard... mic it with damn near anything [though an RE-20 is often a favorite]
I got a D6 but never used it on bass. I think I will give that a shot.

And what do you not like about the sansamp?
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Sans Amp?

Shoot me.

How about an SVT with a P-bass?

Best "growling" bass I've ever heard... mic it with damn near anything [though an RE-20 is often a favorite]

SVT with a Music Man Stingray. When I think growl, that is what pops into my small mind.
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Sansamp Bass Driver or Sansamp RBI as another tool?
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Sans amp can help, as can a distressor with a bit of its distortion added. I've been using a Gates tube comp into a distressor for hard rock bass lately and it's really working well. I've also done the sans amp thing, and sometimes its cool. You may want to bring it up parallel instead of just running straight through it. Heck, even the SSL comp will sometimes give it some grit that helps it pop out. SSL isn't my favorite on bass, but every once in a while it really brings something to the party.

But, of course, it really starts with the player, the intrument, the amp, and the recording of it. It's better to record the great sound rather than try to manufacture it after the fact.
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Sans amp can help, as can a distressor with a bit of its distortion added. I've been using a Gates tube comp into a distressor for hard rock bass lately and it's really working well. I've also done the sans amp thing, and sometimes its cool. You may want to bring it up parallel instead of just running straight through it. Heck, even the SSL comp will sometimes give it some grit that helps it pop out. SSL isn't my favorite on bass, but every once in a while it really brings something to the party.

But, of course, it really starts with the player, the intrument, the amp, and the recording of it. It's better to record the great sound rather than try to manufacture it after the fact.
well, I am working with a Roscoe skb 3006 and a vintech 273. I might give it a shot.
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Why not DI it cleanly and email the files to a fellow Gearslut to re-amp & mike it and email it back to you?

Any SVT/FET 47 owners -- EZ money!

You can IM on AOL or email up to 10MB on Yahoo at a time, and there are other ways. Bass tracks reamp quite well.
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Why not DI it cleanly and email the files to a fellow Gearslut to re-amp & mike it and email it back to you?

Any SVT/FET 47 owners -- EZ money!

You can IM on AOL or email up to 10MB on Yahoo at a time, and there are other ways. Bass tracks reamp quite well.
Not a bad idea... I'm the proud owner of this behemoth:



I have a Royer R-121, an API 3124+ and decent converters - I think I'd be up to the job... PM me if interested...

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Terry Manning will have to shoot you or maybe WWittman since they actually were the pushers who got me on the RBI. It's the first sim that fits the bill. Try it.

I'm totally serious.

It still makes me uneasy since it kinda screws with my NOPOD rule.
Dude, its not even in the same league as a POD! It's all analog, used on a million albums, especially heavy stuff, Slipknot and Machine head of the top of my head.
My vote is p-bass>sansamp>svt>8x10>at-4033
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Natural growl is OK.
Everything starts form bass, appropriate PUs and new strings

1. Take Warwick Jazzman (with J+Music Man PU configuration) or similar Warwick bass, they are fundamentally growliest basses in existence (preferable 5-string bass).
2. Replace stock PU with Bartolini MM shape PU (3 single coils inside for deepest and widest growl you ever heard)
3. Bypass active electronics on the bass (strangely, but for recording pasive is always choice nr.1, oposite to playing on stage)
4. Shape the sound with Sans Amp
5. Add compression via good compressor (I prefer Tube Tech for this)
6. Before ADC you can put it through good sounding limiter
7. Record on 2 or 3 tracks and submix them (some additional effects as delays, reverbs, choruses could be added to separate tracks)

When tried to record via amps, cabinets and mics results were less favorable.
Aforesaid guarantees bass sound that will be pleasant to listen and dominant in final mix. Almost no EQ or further processing necessary.


Happy recording

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Dude, its not even in the same league as a POD! It's all analog, used on a million albums, especially heavy stuff, Slipknot and Machine head of the top of my head.
My vote is p-bass>sansamp>svt>8x10>at-4033
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I replaced an SVT (it blew up) with a bass driver last night. The bassist almost crapped himself. I use one, the other or both all the time now.
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I have a Royer R-121, an API 3124+ and decent converters - I think I'd be up to the job... PM me if interested...

matt


Great idea Gregg! You could also use yousendit.com or dropload.com to send files, even with Digidelivery if someone's got it.

Good luck with that Matt. That's the coolest looking grill cover I've ever seen..... Zach De La Rocha would be proud
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Good luck with that Matt. That's the coolest looking grill cover I've ever seen..... Zach De La Rocha would be proud
yeah I've got more than a few comments when I set that rig up at a gig... Tim Commerford is kind of a hero of mine - I've pretty much replicated his entire rig including the very rare original Marshall Guv'nor pedal. I think I've got the growling thing pretty much down, at least live... capturing it is another story...

Anyways, sorry to digress...
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Sorry to disagree with you active bass players, but you just can't have that with an svt for recording. A passive Pbass with an SVT, played by a great player is nirvana. Actually a fliptop is probably better in the studio for recording. I just never think an active bass records right. Unless you're using a DI, which case they're fine if you match them with the proper DI.

As for the Noel R questions...I'm fairly certain that he recorded with mostly Sunn amps of the late 60s era. They are absolutely killer and in the same league as the SVT. They made a bunch of 50-60 watt versions like the sonoro, etc, but they also had the Model T that was around 300w with 6 power tubes, just like the SVT. They're killer, killer amps and about half the price of comperable ampegs.

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