DAW vs Yamaha 02R V2

[granmah]

Hi hommies!!!!

I have an iMac (one of the last, really fast) with an RME Fireface 800 interface and Logic Studio, and I record and mix everything on this software but make everything with hardware.

I have the opportunity to get a Yamaha 02R V2 really cheap... What do you think about changing the mac set up and get the Yamaha instead????... Which is the best set up of the both above 4 you??? The guy who buy the yamaha want to change it for my RME fireface 800... Is a good change????

Please bros, help this guy to make his decision!

Peace!

G.

[granmah]

Cammon guys!!!! Help this guy!!!

[AlexK]

No go. I use an O1V as a front-end in a studio with an iMac + 896 mk1 as a lightbridge, and the preamps and converters in the 01V are really quite poor. I'm thinking of buying a FF800 soon from what I've read/heard (audio samples) on this forum and I can tell you the FF800 will run in circles around an 01V for out and out sound quality.

The 02R v2 uses the same preamps and converters as the 01V I believe.

I personally really think there's no need for a mixer in a DAW-based studio. The FF800 can do far more complicated routing (for monitoring etc...) than most digital mixers, and all a mixer will do is give you an unnecessary intermediate between the preamps and DAW.

Spend the cash elsewhere...

[granmah]

Thanks!!!

More opinions????

[la grange]

Originally Posted by AlexK

Spend the cash elsewhere...

yep, it is all summed in this little phrase...


Oli

[DarkSky Media]

Originally Posted by AlexK

...all a mixer will do is give you an unnecessary intermediate between the preamps and DAW.

...and (if the mixer is any good, unlike the 02R V2), rich pristine and organic sound, deep and wide sonics, superb summing, headroom for days, excellent metering and monitoring options and the hands-on experience of real faders.

Sorry, just thought you might be understating the upside of analogue mixing just a tad...

[toulcit]

I like working with a mixer instead of working with a mouse.
And when I mix in the box, I use the same approach as I would use with a mixer. But a mixer gives me more hands on control, and i actually work faster on a board.


I got a yamaha 01v96 myself, and i'm happy with the quality. and it gives you total recall, and 4 good effect engines at an amazing prices. But I surpassed the preamps of the yamaha with external preamps.
How to do this?
Easy, make a xlr female to stereo jack cable, solder anything but the hot signal, and plug it into the insert on the mixer, voila.

BTW the eq's and comp's are nice to but in a functional way, not in a adds flavour to anything way, but you'll have 32 channels of it! And the board is as flexible as you want it to be, you can make the craziest digital patches, and you can patch your outboard digitally into anything you like, and with it's total recall is very handy.

If you have more questions on patching later, i would be happy to answer them for you since it might be difficult and confusing at first, but it will make sense later.

[toulcit]

oh yeah while the 01v, might not be all that good, the 01v96 v2 or the 02r v2 definatley is up to standard. It's not up there with neve or ssl, but the yamaha's are the most used digital console in that prices range.
I used the old 01v, and i got he new 01v96 v2 and the new 01v96 definately sounds clearer and cleaner. I don't know what kind of music you are making, but if you want a poppy, rock coloured preamp, I suggest you let yourself get a yamaha pm1000 preamp racked. I got samples :D

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/so-much-gear-so-little-time/141812d1256732212-really-fat-voices-how-do-they-do-inthevalley.mp3

[toulcit]

the rem gear is probably too clean, but if you are doin classical stuff, then you are fine. But the reverbs on the yamaha board are great, better then any plugin i've used, see if you can try the board out before you buy it.

[granmah]

Thanks 4 the replies!!!

I dont´have the oportunity to try it... I make music based on samples and synths

I´m thinking on no buying itt and save my mind-time to make some music :P

Peace

[Karloff70]

Good swap. For him.

[Raider]

I sold my 02R V2 a couple of years ago.
While all the knobs and faders were fun to play with, it took up too much space. (I do miss watching the faders move by themselves after automation.)

I'm 100% ITB.
Much more versatile and efficient/faster.

Mixing consoles, especially in project studios, are so 90's.

Don't be tempted to buy jus' cause.
It'll be a boat anchor in a few years.

[AlexK]

Originally Posted by DSM Interactive

...and (if the mixer is any good, unlike the 02R V2), rich pristine and organic sound, deep and wide sonics, superb summing, headroom for days, excellent metering and monitoring options and the hands-on experience of real faders.

Sorry, just thought you might be understating the upside of analogue mixing just a tad...

Although this still isn't technically analog mixing is it? I like the 'hands-on' side of having a digital mixer, but that's nothing a good controller would give you. Add in some nice preamps/a nice compressor, and you really do have to ask why you'd want a mixer in a DAW-based studio...

Originally Posted by toulcit

oh yeah while the 01v, might not be all that good, the 01v96 v2 or the 02r v2 definatley is up to standard. It's not up there with neve or ssl, but the yamaha's are the most used digital console in that prices range.
I used the old 01v, and i got he new 01v96 v2 and the new 01v96 definately sounds clearer and cleaner. I don't know what kind of music you are making, but if you want a poppy, rock coloured preamp, I suggest you let yourself get a yamaha pm1000 preamp racked. I got samples :D

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/so-much-gear-so-little-time/141812d1256732212-really-fat-voices-how-do-they-do-inthevalley.mp3

Oh the O2R96 is definitely up to the job (fantastic console IMO, if a little over-complicated), but the O2R v2 has the same preamps and (I think) converters as the O1V, which are absolutely unusable for proper recording.

The preamps and converters in the 01V96 are completely different (thank god) to the 01V...

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by Raider

Mixing consoles, especially in project studios, are so 90's.

Don't be tempted to buy jus' cause.
It'll be a boat anchor in a few years.

Well, in my little world an O2R has been a boat anchor pretty much since i tried one, which wasn't long after they were out. Having a DECENT analog desk however.....I reckon the sensible advice would be to buy one RIGHT NOW, before all you people who presently think they're boat anchors wake up, and the price goes back up to what they're actually worth.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

Well, in my little world an O2R has been a boat anchor pretty much since i tried one, which wasn't long after they were out. Having a DECENT analog desk however.....I reckon the sensible advice would be to buy one RIGHT NOW, before all you people who presently think they're boat anchors wake up, and the price goes back up to what they're actually worth.

what is with all the boat anchor talk?

[rudolpho]

Originally Posted by AlexK

The preamps and converters in the 01V96 are completely different (thank god) to the 01V...

Yes, the 01V96v2 ADC and preamps sound better then the old 01V.

[Dozerrox]

Out of interest, what type of compressor is built into that 02R?

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by Dozerrox

Out of interest, what type of compressor is built into that 02R?

A type of "shrinking processor" which makes the sound smaller, more 2D and more nauseatingly plastic the more of the desk's DSP you utilise......

[Dozerrox]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

A type of "shrinking processor" which makes the sound smaller, more 2D and more nauseatingly plastic the more of the desk's DSP you utilise......

Right, as it's a digital desk, is it a digital compressor? Or is built into an analogue path (ie, opto, FET etc)?

Thanks for your quick reply!

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by Dozerrox

Right, as it's a digital desk, is it a digital compressor? Or is built into an analogue path (ie, opto, FET etc)?

Thanks for your quick reply!

Sorry, was just poking fun, as I can't stand the thing....but yes, all digital. Can't remember the varieties available in there, but point being the more you use the processing on the thing the shittier your music starts sounding.

[Dozerrox]

Originally Posted by Karloff70

Sorry, was just poking fun, as I can't stand the thing....but yes, all digital. Can't remember the varieties available in there, but point being the more you use the processing on the thing the shittier your music starts sounding.

Oh right, that's weird. Best keep it to outboard then!

Ta mate.

[Karloff70]

Originally Posted by Dozerrox

Oh right, that's weird. Best keep it to outboard then!

Ta mate.

I have only worked on the first one, not the version 2, 96Khz one. Might be better. But I'd stay several country miles clear of the old one. Not great sounding to start, and when you stress its tiny brain it smears everything to buggery in a truly fecked digital manner.