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Lexicon PCM96 and Snow Leopard

I've just installed Snow Leopard and one of the first things I tried was the PCM96 in streaming mode. I'm afraid we at Lexicon have a little work to do. I'm using some of our Beta code (some of you out there have the same code), but I find that I can't instantiate a plug.

If you haven't yet installed Snow Leopard and the PCM96 streaming is important to you, it might be best to hold off for a while. I'll return to this thread when I know a little more.
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Appreciate the heads up on this, NS.

Let us know when you have a timeline on a fix for this (also interested to know what will be involved in getting the fix installed/operational).

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THx for letting me know the pcm is inportant to me in i did want to try snow leporrd owell
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I've just installed Snow Leopard and one of the first things I tried was the PCM96 in streaming mode. I'm afraid we at Lexicon have a little work to do. I'm using some of our Beta code (some of you out there have the same code), but I find that I can't instantiate a plug.

If you haven't yet installed Snow Leopard and the PCM96 streaming is important to you, it might be best to hold off for a while. I'll return to this thread when I know a little more.
Great - thanks for the heads up!

Just curious, is there a mailing list for PCM96 owners? Much as I do appreciate getting this warning here, it makes me think that this is the sort of thing I'd hope users get in an email from Lexicon... Just to make sure non-Gearslutz get the word!
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Does that include the ethernet control plugin?
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Just curious, is there a mailing list for PCM96 owners?
I don't know, but there sure ought to be! I'll fly that by customer service and see where we get.
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Great - thanks for the heads up!

Just curious, is there a mailing list for PCM96 owners? Much as I do appreciate getting this warning here, it makes me think that this is the sort of thing I'd hope users get in an email from Lexicon... Just to make sure non-Gearslutz get the word!
if you go to the pcm96 download page, there's a mailing list to get an email when the software is updated. this type of warning, though, would be a great alternate use.
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Hello Nobody Special,

Any more updates on the matter. I upgraded to Snow leopard before seeing this post (DOH)

No biggie as I still have the older Leopard on another disc which I can go to but really loving snow leopard however.

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Hello Nobody Special,

Any more updates on the matter. I upgraded to Snow leopard before seeing this post (DOH)

No biggie as I still have the older Leopard on another disc which I can go to but really loving snow leopard however.

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Nothing more at this point. Our firewire chip and driver are provided by a 3rd party. They're currently looking into it. FWIW, I'd like to be able to use mine too.
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Thanks for the update Nobody. Will stick with Leopard until matters change.

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Yes, thanks for this - the PCM96 Surround is my main reverb...

An email from Lexicon would be very handy, but I can also understand why any manufacturer/software company would expect you to check their site for compatibility before upgrading an OS.

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Does that include the ethernet control plugin?
OK, I'll answer my own question. I installed SL today, and the PCM96 ethernet control plugin is working perfectly.
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OK, I take that back. I just upgraded to 10.6.1, and the Lexicon control panel is gone.
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OK, I take that back. I just upgraded to 10.6.1, and the Lexicon control panel is gone.
I had the same experience. Reinstalling the software put the control panel back in place. My streaming wouldn't work and I'm not set up to test control-only. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that that mode will continue to work for you.
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10.6.1

Just tried streaming with the 10.6.1 update. Still doesn't work. Didn't think it would, but there's always hope.
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Just tried streaming with the 10.6.1 update. Still doesn't work. Didn't think it would, but there's always hope.
Speaking of hope, any update on the, er, update?
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a little Bit Off Topic, but..... Firewire Audio is not pro for me.
I´ll keep everything out of my studio that uses Audio with Firewire. Always trouble and strange things when i use it.


I love my PCM 96, but the FW Streaming never work good for me.
I hope that one day the Ethernet Plugin controls 2 X 1Mono In/Stereo Out, like the old LARC with a 480.
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I had the same experience. Reinstalling the software put the control panel back in place. My streaming wouldn't work and I'm not set up to test control-only. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that that mode will continue to work for you.
I reinstalled, and the Configurator is back in place. However, it doesn't really function. It can't find the 96s, and strangely, when I try to open it, the Mac says:

To use the PCM96 Control Panel preferences pane, System Preferences must quit and reopen.

After I click OK, then I just get an empty Configurator.

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Speaking of hope, any update on the, er, update?
No more info right now, I'm afraid.
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I reinstalled, and the Configurator is back in place. However, it doesn't really function. It can't find the 96s, and strangely, when I try to open it, the Mac says:

To use the PCM96 Control Panel preferences pane, System Preferences must quit and reopen.

After I click OK, then I just get an empty Configurator.

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In Snow Leopard, the Preferences pane is normally a 64-bit app. For some reason, when it encounters a 32-bit Control Panel, it must relaunch in 32-bit mode. I've found a few panels that do the same thing. I agree it's a little confusing. I think Apple's going to need to straighten that out.

Even though my streaming doesn't work--sounds like a description of an enlarged prostate, doesn't it--I can still see my 96 in the control panel. Sometimes it takes half a minute for it to show up, though.
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Too funny.
Streaming has never worked for me and now the control only mode is gone.
Maybe you should just market this as an outboard verb.
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In Snow Leopard, the Preferences pane is normally a 64-bit app. For some reason, when it encounters a 32-bit Control Panel, it must relaunch in 32-bit mode. I've found a few panels that do the same thing. I agree it's a little confusing. I think Apple's going to need to straighten that out.

Even though my streaming doesn't work--sounds like a description of an enlarged prostate, doesn't it--I can still see my 96 in the control panel. Sometimes it takes half a minute for it to show up, though.
Right! That IS the case. It does work. Thanks for the heads-up. thumbsup
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I'm a bit bummed.

PCM 96 seems to be a promise unfulfilled.

I've had numerous exchanges with tech support.

The latest seemed to say that I should just give up.

For me, the streaming didn't ever work.

Now in Snow Leopard the control only mode is gone.

My advice is to consider this as an outboard rack mount reverb.
Do not expect professional results using it as a firewire box.
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I'm a bit bummed.

PCM 96 seems to be a promise unfulfilled.

I've had numerous exchanges with tech support.

The latest seemed to say that I should just give up.

For me, the streaming didn't ever work.

Now in Snow Leopard the control only mode is gone.

My advice is to consider this as an outboard rack mount reverb.
Do not expect professional results using it as a firewire box.
i've mixed plenty of records with the pcm96 on them...most people would consider my results professional. i also used the streaming (2 stereo engines) on my Leopard PT8 machine.

i would suggest not upgrading operating systems before checking to see if all your hardware/software is compatible. lexicon has never promised snow leopard compatibility for this product. therefore, i would not expect it.

i'm not saying the product is perfect. it has its quirks during streaming, but i believe it's worth it at this point.
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I'm a bit bummed.

PCM 96 seems to be a promise unfulfilled.

I've had numerous exchanges with tech support.

The latest seemed to say that I should just give up.

For me, the streaming didn't ever work.

Now in Snow Leopard the control only mode is gone.

My advice is to consider this as an outboard rack mount reverb.
Do not expect professional results using it as a firewire box.
Snow Leopard came out 4 weeks ago. What were you thinking? PT isn't (officially) compatible, and I'd guess there are several plugs that also aren't yet. This box is on the edge of not working as it is in Leopard. I really don't understand what you were expecting to happen. Apple to magically fix it? Ha!
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i would suggest not upgrading operating systems before checking to see if all your hardware/software is compatible. lexicon has never promised snow leopard compatibility for this product. therefore, i would not expect it.
FYI- in prior decades- it would have ABSOLUTELY expected.

My Mentor uses one and loves it. Did not go to the new OS for that reason.

That said the box has NEVER BEEN FUNCTIONAL. There have been WAYYYYY too many problems with this box to take it seriously yet. Most professional engineers need to count on their tools and expect them to be updated accordingly.

I dont care if apple is a pain in the butt- then they should have NOT released a version compatible with Leopard to begin with... But need for profits and sales mean you dont negate ANY market and its actually financially a GOOD BUSINESS decision, if you can manage the backlash, to release unfinished not 100% functional products with promises of future resolution. Then wait for the problems to identify themselves... That USED to be called beta testing and was done by the manufacturer- not the consumer like it is now.

Just because you are foolish enough to accept this on something that costs TOO MUCH to accept this- kinda says it all. And Im sure that was why the professional reference was made. A professional usually wants to know his/her tools work today- and WILL ALSO WORK tomorrow...

If you like how it sounds thats one thing- but separate that from the fact that it has NEVER lived up to its promises on a large scale...

I think people who put up with that are crazy considering how many great options there are.

And I own a Lexi 300 and 2 PCM 70s. Strangely they work all the time...

Im after the Bricasti for now (but even that has its own issues of price and an update promised for what- a YEAR now???)... But I use the PCM96 cause its here...

I think its pathetic how poorly this box has performed ESPECIALLY considering it sounds GREAT and I love the plug in interface and if the firewire actually worked for dual operation I would buy one... But it doesn't and with snow leopard the gap has widened... And there has been a lower level of functional consistency than I am willing to allow in my studio. (the one I use is in the big room- not mine)
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If you like how it sounds thats one thing- but separate that from the fact that it has NEVER lived up to its promises on a large scale...

And I own a Lexi 300 and 2 PCM 70s. Strangely they work all the time...

I think its pathetic how poorly this box has performed ESPECIALLY considering it sounds GREAT
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this is madness. I use the PCM96 everyday in firewire mode with Nuendo and a mac pro. Flawless. Yes previous software versions caused headaches but it now works - at least for me.

But hang on a second - if you wish to compare it to the Lex 300 and PCM' range as a switch on and function all day unit - the pcm 96 does that too! In fact, even though you half you reverb count promised by the firewire, you still get a 100% rock solid out the box verb.

It feels like some people are frustrated it's not 100% there with the firewire but I really do defy anyone to deny it's not 100% class as a 100% out the box verb!

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Snow Leopard came out 4 weeks ago. What were you thinking? PT isn't (officially) compatible, and I'd guess there are several plugs that also aren't yet. This box is on the edge of not working as it is in Leopard. I really don't understand what you were expecting to happen. Apple to magically fix it? Ha!
For me, the streaming didn't work in Leopard.
I sent many logs etc. to Lex.
It never worked.
It still doesn't work in Snow Leopard.
I'm disappointed.
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Hello Nobody,

IS there any update on trying to resolve this within SL?

Many thanks in advance.

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