Is it still worth getting PCM70, 80, 90 effects?

[Recman]

With the current plugins and new hardware, is it still worth getting the old Lexicon PCM units or should a person save money on the newer models or plugins?

Are people still using the PCM 70, 80, 90 as their main or only reverb or fx in music?

[hernanperez2000]

Clearly PCM70 worths if you want the lexicon sound.
80 and 90: i don´t know.

+1 PCM70 lushhhhhhhh¡¡¡¡

[Drumsound]

If you want obvious and tizzzy reverb they are the ticket.

[Speeddemon]

How does the PCM70 compare to the MPX-1, a Kurzweil Rumour and TC M-One XL?

I currently have an M-One XL, Sony DPS-V55M and a Boss SE-50.
Might wanna add something more 'alluring' for the clients in the future.

[evolve]

The PCM70 is an amazing reverb at a rediculously cheap price now...it is very thick, dense sounding with beautiful modulated tails ! I have version 2 software which is supposed to be the best ??....I had the pcm80 and thought it was a little noisy...the noisy tap tempo feature annoyed me.. Stay away from the LXP-II ...it pretty noisy and too muddy to my ears..... The Lexicon 224xl is incredible....but the PCM70 is almost there at a fraction of the cost....I wish that made a remote for the 70

[Rick Sutton]

there seems to be two camps when it comes to the PCM70. One camp says "it rocks" and the other camp says "it's tizzy" or something to that effect.
I find the 70 to be cheap and metallic sounding (tizzy).
As to the 80, it is smoother but not really easy to get great sounds out of. I had one and eventually programed a couple of nice reverb settings but sold it after a couple of years.
I've owned Lex. 224, 200, 960L, 80 and LXP15-II. probably other Lex's I've forgotten.
Still have the 224 and 960L.

[leaper]

Originally Posted by evolve

The Lexicon 224xl is incredible....but the PCM70 is almost there at a fraction of the cost....I wish that made a remote for the 70

You can program their MRC remote so that it works with a PCM 70.
It used to be my main drum or vocal reverb back in the 80's/90's.
And the Yamaha Rev 5 was stuck on early reflections, while SPX 90 went on pitch shift C.
Aye! Those were the days....

[evolve]

I don't now what you mean by 'tizzy'...It certainly isn't metallic sounding. ...especially if you EQ the bottom end more, and increase the x-time on the lower frequencies ...it sounds huge to me....no noise what so ever...VERY nice on electric guitar... I think it's a steal for $600-700 ! I love my Roland R880 and don't feel the need to get a 224x

[evolve]

You can program their MRC remote so that it works with a PCM 70.
It used to be my main drum or vocal reverb back in the 80's/90's.
And the Yamaha Rev 5 was stuck on early reflections, while SPX 90 went on pitch shift C.
Aye! Those were the days....



LOL ! ...cool, I didn't know the MRC could be programmed for use with the PCM70....I'll look into that...thanks ! ....

[Rick Sutton]

Originally Posted by evolve

I don't now what you mean by 'tizzy'...It certainly isn't metallic sounding. ...especially if you EQ the bottom end more, and increase the x-time on the lower frequencies ...it sounds huge to me....no noise what so ever...VERY nice on electric guitar... I think it's a steal for $600-700 ! I love my Roland R880 and don't feel the need to get a 224x

It may have to do with what it is being used on. I do a lot of acoustic albums and the 70 just seemed very crude to me (I felt the same about the 200). Anyway, we all have different tastes in gear.
Oh, I also had an R880 for many years and wish I still had one around. Used it to nice effect when I was working on several albums of folklorico music that featured a lot of huge bamboo flutes. It was very nice with long regenerated sounds.

[evolve]

Yes maybe with acoustic guitar it is not best suited ...not so natural...but that is what I like about it! metallic would not be the word for me.. ...

man I bet those bamboo flutes were mesmerising ! ....I wish I had a 224x actually ! ...enjoy your verbs !

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by evolve

You can program their MRC remote so that it works with a PCM 70.
It used to be my main drum or vocal reverb back in the 80's/90's.
And the Yamaha Rev 5 was stuck on early reflections, while SPX 90 went on pitch shift C.
Aye! Those were the days....



LOL ! ...cool, I didn't know the MRC could be programmed for use with the PCM70....I'll look into that...thanks ! ....

It has to be a PCM 70 ver 3 to work. The MRC is better suited for the LXP1 & LXP5.

[teo]

Originally Posted by Recman

With the current plugins and new hardware, is it still worth getting the old Lexicon PCM units or should a person save money on the newer models or plugins?

Are people still using the PCM 70, 80, 90 as their main or only reverb or fx in music?

70...yes
80,90...no

The PCM70 it's great, it has its sound, although some people don't like it. In my book,the main reverb for any studio other than a bedroom studio should be a lexicon. So, if you can't afford a 480/300, the 70 is different, less tweekable, but definitely close enough and a steal at the price.

[trustyjim]

How does the Lexicon 96 compare to the classic units?

[hernanperez2000]

I think pcm96 have that classic lexicon sound.
Buy a pcm96, then bricasti m7 and you'll be almost completely covered.

[Warp69]

Originally Posted by trustyjim

How does the Lexicon 96 compare to the classic units?

You should check the following posts :

PCM96 + 224

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/4478901-post284.html

and 480L + 224XL

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/4497684-post303.html

[Marcocet]

I sold my 224xl when I got a PCM 70. The sound was similar enough to encourage me to get rid of the 224 before it broke and could never be repaired. At least if the PCM 70 goes it's only taking a fraction of the cash with it.

Anyway, putting it alongside everything else I've worked with I still use it every day. It's definitely not real sounding in the way the bricasti is but it does a wonderful job of adding space around vocals even when there's nowhere left to go with them in a dense rock mix.

[HomeProducer]

have checked out the pcm 70 versus my 91. Well, I just sold the PCM 70 IN FAVOUR of my PCM 91.
Don't believe every hype.

[thermos]

I had a PCM 70 and really liked it. With the right dialing in eq wise it never sounded metallic to me. I had it paired with a Kurzweil rumor, which was less vibey and much cleaner. Sold both and bought the PCM Native bundle. I think honestly the plugs are just simply better reverb. But in certain instances, they don't gel as well in the mix as the hardware boxes. But they are much cleaner and more refined, with just a tinge of character there as well.
PCM 70 and PCM 90/91 are 2 completely generations of lexicon verb. Some prefer the older 224 sound (basis for the PCM 70) and some prefer the 480 sound (basis for the 90/91).
I'm so glad they released those lex plugs and I could sell my boxes that aren't being made anymore before they broke.
Also, I'd recommend trying warp's 480 plug before you consider buying any hardware. I haven't bought it yet (ran into a $ tough patch) but it sounds amazing in every respect. I have no want for a hardware reverb ever again.

[thermos]

Also, Sean Costello's Valhalla Shimmer is going to be rad as well. Super long exaggerated verbs for the eno fans.

[DONNX]

I find the PCM 70 is a unique sounding verb. Sounds dirty. Nice addition to any studio.

However, I don't like it on vocals yet.

[lovespirals]

i've owned and loved using my pcm 70 since 1998. so much so i picked up a second on this year because they can be found for such low prices now. great reverb for vox, drums, electric guitar, sax. it will be a sad day when they've stopped working.

[ajv205]

Yes and no. For effects that have a chorusing element, you need the orig boxes. Otherwise IR's are fine for all practical purposes.

[Drumsound]

Originally Posted by evolve

I don't now what you mean by 'tizzy'...It certainly isn't metallic sounding. ...especially if you EQ the bottom end more, and increase the x-time on the lower frequencies ...it sounds huge to me....no noise what so ever...VERY nice on electric guitar... I think it's a steal for $600-700 ! I love my Roland R880 and don't feel the need to get a 224x

Bt tizzy I mean the tail has a ssszzzzz, following a sharp attack, even if the source doesn't have a sharp attack.

[Voyage.One]

Recman: If you're buying new, you can't
go past the MX200 for a bones basic verb/delay.
Pair that with a TC Electronic M4000 and you
have a killer combination.

[elambo]

Originally Posted by ajv205

Yes and no. For effects that have a chorusing element, you need the orig boxes.

Didn't the recent update to the PCM reverb add chorusing?