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2nd July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA.
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So instead of guessing about how much Flying Faders 2 is, I contacted Doug Osborne from Martinsound. For a bank of 32 faders (mid size console) it's basically a $1,000 a channel. IMO... totally worth it!
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3rd July 2009
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| Lives for gear  Joined: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca.
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also SM runs right off my PT rig = no extra computer. | |
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3rd July 2009
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| Gear Guru  Joined: Jun 2002 Location: New York City
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Its still alot of money to consider for the automation alone. | |
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3rd July 2009
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Sep 2005
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3rd July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA.
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3rd July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca.
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I really don't get why they don't work.Paul has done SM faders for older API consoles | |
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3rd July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA.
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Maybe he can join in and give some more details. | |
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3rd July 2009
| #38 |
| Gear addict  Joined: Apr 2006 Location: Nashville, TN
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I think I read here on GS that Paul wolff said that there was an impedance mis match between the API faders and the Shadowmix faders. I'll see if I can find the thread.
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3rd July 2009
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Jun 2002
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Is post 31 what you were recalling? Note the API referenced is/was not a 1608, although similar issues might apply. | |
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3rd July 2009
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Jul 2004 Location: woodstock NY
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done and total recall to boot SP | |
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3rd July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca.
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whats the point of just summing on the console? ..only gets you 1/3 of the way there. the real stuff happens on the inserts/busses..all beautifully phase coherent,all analog. | |
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3rd July 2009
| #42 |
| Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2004 Location: woodstock NY
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I get total phase coherence on icon inserts and busses just takes a little math to calculate the round trip.. and I did say track on the api ...in fact why not insert the APi channels on the icon inserts  cheers SP just a cheaper alternative for automation |
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4th July 2009
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| Gear addict Joined: Apr 2006 Location: Nashville, TN
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4th July 2009
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Jul 2003
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4th July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca.
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 even if I wanted an icon here[which i don't]: no room | |
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4th July 2009
| #46 |
| 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Naples - Italy
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I tell my friend Paolo Orizio Chief Of Funky Junk Italy and says me that nor Wolff Nor Droppa clarify situation. so i could buy Tonelux without having assurance that shadow works on 1608 I'm deeply blasted from Api and from Tonelux I spent 80k and this is treatment. I think to change, because don't want favor this conflict between api and tonelux.  |
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4th July 2009
| #47 |
| 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Joined: Dec 2007 Location: Ninth Ward, New Orleans
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send it back
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4th July 2009
| #48 |
| 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Naples - Italy
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I am thinking SSL AWS900+ What do you think about? |
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4th July 2009
| #49 |
| 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Naples - Italy
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No,no and no!!! Only for 1 hour i have considered to switch to Aws900+. But it is indisputable that api 1608 is a big sound real console, really identically in sound, engineering and performing at large consoles like Legacy,etc. Paul Wolff always takes part in GS when one of his product is treated here. The same have done Api referent. Why they miss now? I think that it is a too many important question, and now all GS forumers know this arcane. I'm sure that they presto give us an answer.  |
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4th July 2009
| #50 |
| Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA.
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There are some great consoles out there. The 1608 is certainly one of them. But at it's best a 1608 only has moving fader automation. That's it! Please tell me you understood that before you bought it? If you wanted recall or something else, the 1608 was NOT the right purchase. An AWS 900 would be. But that REALY depends on the sonic footprint you want to have. There are other great analog consoles. For the same price as your 1608, you could have purchased a used 64 input SSL or a used Neve VR60 or a new AWS 900. I'm sure Paul Wolf could have built you a great Tonelux console for that price. But Ultimately you have to decided what works best for your sonics in the room. Do your clients need recall? How much maintenance you're going to need? This list could go on and on... |
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4th July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2004 Location: woodstock NY
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I love analog boards but in this day and age and with record budgets what they are fader only automation is just not worth it to me... I have 5 or 6 cd going at a time and I need to recall them instantly....I also agree about the summing... never really saw the point or rather heard the point... but if i had the api lying around i might consider it for that purpose.... as well as tracking of course.... I only suggest the icon because if you really put the time in and do all your plugin mapping you can operate it very much like an analog board in terms of hands on operation.... and have total recall... the euphonix is a toy.. and since a used d command is about half the cost of flying faders.. and if you had the room it's not the worst "hybrid idea in the world.... in fact I've thought of doing a similar thing next year with a tonelux setup perhaps using it as a center section of a hybrid analog digital console and the footprint will be very managable right now i use about 32 channels of outboard neves and apis, wunder etc... nice but i have to do a lot more running around the room for tracking cheers SP | |
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4th July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca.
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sounds like an interesting way to do it  | |
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4th July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2004 Location: mexico
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1608, AWS, 5088 all have a small enough footprint, but 1608 has no automation or recall, AWS doesn't have quite enough channels (for me) and the automation doesn't read or write to a DAW, and 5088/Tonelux both provide automation that works seamlessly with DAWs, but no recall. the AMS Genesys also seems like a nice solution but the EQ is 3 bands with no high/low pass filters, and EQ has to be tweaked DAW style, banking 4 enconders. i'm not sure if Encore automation reads/writes to DAW. though any of these can certainly make for a very fine console i see no "perfect world" hybrid solution for right now. Scott's idea of inserting the console's channel in PT isn't bad at all though...  | |
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4th July 2009
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| www.circlestudios.co.uk  Joined: May 2007 Location: UK
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4th July 2009
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles
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My latest thought is a Duality, with my Daking channels inserted where needed. . . . . . . but an Icon with the Daking normalled to the inputs of PT would work too. | |
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5th July 2009
| #56 | |
| 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended. Joined: Jul 2009 Location: Naples - Italy
Posts: 306
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But i hope seriously that api could have make automation. In fact Vintage king has In the page of 1608 Shadow mix automation in the option recommended, and Proaudioeurope straight has api automation in the list!! " call for price"!! | |
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5th July 2009
| #57 |
| Gear addict  Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Australia
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API most certainly could make an automation system for their 1608. I'd say the reason they haven't done so is they probably can't produce it for the price owners are willing to pay. Go and price an automation system for a Vision console and then decide if you are prepared to pay for that in your 1608. Would owners pay almost as much for their automation as for their 1608... I highly doubt it. If anyone other than API could make/offer an automation system for the 1608, it would certainly have to be Paul Wolf. It can be done and he could do it... if he wanted to. I remember when people were bitching that they didn't like the sound of mixing in the box, so summing systems were created. Then they wanted more than a summer and small consoles have now arrived. It seems that people want all the bells and whistles of a million dollar console for less than a tenth of the price. I'm yet to see any console, at any price, fit like a glove to everyone's needs and desires, but I do think that API have delivered an astounding console at a very reasonable price. And while automation and recall would no doubt be nice, thankfully it's the sound of an API console that has always been its strong point. The likelihood is that someone sooner or later will come up with a fader automation system to suit the 1608. There will be enough consoles sold to make this a viable business venture. It's still early days and these consoles will be around for many years to come. |
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5th July 2009
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| Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2003
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I think them not offering an automation option is a disservice (disgrace) to the people who bought the 1608's..... I would be pissed if I were in their shoes(the 1608 owners)... | |
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5th July 2009
| #59 | |
| Lives for gear  Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Japan
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I'm sure it was cheaper and easier for SSL though.They already had their automation (recall) system set up well before the AWS was designed, not to mention the fact that they could forecast a certain number of sales (much greater than API) before and after the release of their consoles to help offset the cost of any R&D over the period they set themselves. Sure, I think the 1608 would be a far more attractive proposition with automation, but I can see why it would be tough for them. At the same time they're dfinitely in the wrong for advertising their product by lying about an optional upgrade that no doubt would have been in the back of customers' minds when they decided to make the purchase. | |
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5th July 2009
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| Lives for gear  Joined: Nov 2003 Location: Amsterdam
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