need advice for studio speakers, genelec,Adam or Dynaudio

spike66 · 15th July 2005

Hi ,
I have a home studio , but with good gear.
till now I was mixing with an old jbl & tannoy reveal .
I want to upgrade & my budget is +/- 2000€ for a pair.
We dont have a place in my city that I can go to listen.
can you advice me?
My option is between :
Genelec 8040 or 8050 , Adam P22a or P33a , Dynaudio BM6a & Far AV6D .

I'm doing mostly Fusion Musik as a bass player & producing some pop & rock groops.

I dont need to be very loud , but I need something that is flat as possible & have a good bass response that translate good to the real world sound.

I dont do techno stuff .

ant advice ?

Thanks

**DrDeltaM** · 15th July 2005

Gonna give you another option you really should check out imo: PMC TB2S-A.

amino · 15th July 2005

I'm in the exact same position. I also have a home studio and I'm looking for new monitors. I'm not into the same kind of music, but my budget is roughly the same and the speakers you meantion are some of the ones I've been looking at as well.

I guess I'm a bit more lucky because I've found a place who carries all of these brands, including PMC. I will probably take a visit in two weeks time. I won't be able to listen to the Genelecs though. The music store told me that they removed them from the listening room because people simply didn't think they were good enough.

If you're patient I can give you a full report later.

GYang · 15th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

Gonna give you another option you really should check out imo: PMC TB2S-A.

I am seriously considering to replace ADAM S3A with PMCs. They are huuuge thumbsup .

GYAng

squeegybug · 15th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by GYang

I am seriously considering to replace ADAM S3A with PMCs. They are huuuge thumbsup .

GYAng

Yes they are fantastic speakers. I replaced Dynaudio BM15 with them, also moved out the Paradigm Esprit Reference, SLS, Infinity, JBL... everything in the studio and the home theater went away, replaced by PMC TB2+.

Steve

gsharp · 15th July 2005

Replaced my BM6P / Chevin A500 combo with S3A's and loving it.

JulianBrightnes · 15th July 2005

Check out PSI. New Swiss brand. Have em in the studio.
Amazing monitors, not cheap, though.

Cheers, Julian

kudzu · 15th July 2005

BM6a's here...mixes translate v.well...all clients love'm......dying to hear ADAM's stuff tho....

GYang · 15th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by kudzu

BM6a's here...mixes translate v.well...all clients love'm......dying to hear ADAM's stuff tho....

It is something I don't like on ADAMs and I can't exactly figure out what.
Although ADAMs have much more resolution and depth than much cheaper Events or Dynaudios (I like them both) I didn't notice improvement in mixes done on ADAMs compared to lesser designs. What I really like on PMCs is how extremly pleasant and true everything sound on them.
I think that 80% of works I'll as usually do on workhorse nearfields and final check and mix done on PMCs.

GYang

garysjo · 15th July 2005

Who sells the PMC's stateside?

**DrDeltaM** · 15th July 2005

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Originally Posted by garysjo

Who sells the PMC's stateside?

Check the PMC website, they list dealers there: http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com
I believe Bryston handles the distribution in USA, so any place that sells Bryston probably also sells PMC.

Tetness · 15th July 2005

Barefoot MM12's are the *&&^^t if you can dish out 10Gs.

http://www.barefootsound.com/mm12.htm

Other than that, ADAM S3A's are sick. That's what I have.

Ari-M. · 15th July 2005

I own a comercial facility so i have had the luxury of using and owning quite a few of your candidates. here is a list of my opinions...

Genelec---never heard a set I could stand to use for more than a few hours. the top is totally synthesized and hyped (the only exception would be the s30c, which is a decent speaker)

PMC's---I own a set of 1b1's and I have to say that they would make a great set of speakers for the house. in studio use they are very inconsistent and unreliable (be sure you have a box of mid's and tweets handy)

Dynaudio---I believe these are the best speakers made today (with the exception of Meyer x-10's). They are reliable, consistent, un-hyped and an exceptional reference. The bm15's are great and are a proven studio monitor.

Just my opinions. There is some other stuff out there that is a cut above, but not within your budget. If you want to up the ante check out ATC. They are a solid speaker.

Ari M.

P.S. don't buy anything you can't hear first...and certainly don't buy on someone elses advice (YOUR ears should be the final verdict).

squeegybug · 15th July 2005

Yep, sure are personal difference there. I threw the BM15s out fast as I could, once I got the PMC TB2+ in. No comparison for me, especially in the quality of the mids -- as in "not there" on the Dynaudio, and can hear every word on PMC.... <shrugs>

Steve

carlsaff · 15th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike66

Dynaudio BM6a & Far AV6D

Don't overlook some of the "hifi" Dyns. I have a pair of Contour 1.3SEs -- paid about $2000 for a very lightly used pair (audiogon.com is your friend). Fantastic monitors, with incredible bass extension (37Hz) and a truly world-class tweeter.

Rick Shepherd · 16th July 2005

Just to make it more difficult for you to decide, I would recommend a pair of the SR-823 speakers made by Daedalus Audio

I have a pair of the SR-823s and a pair of the W-803s. If you do some research on Daedalus speakers you will see what many audiophiles have to say about the quality. I use the 823s as monitors for recording right now, and they are truly wonderful, top notch!

Check them out.

BJohnston · 16th July 2005

I've got BM6A's as well and love 'em.

spike66 · 16th July 2005

Finally I got the Genelec 8040 ( here in Belgium for 1250€ for the pair)

I found a place that I could hear them all & I prefered the Gennie.

when you here them first , you have to adjust the Desktop control , Bass roll off , Bass tilt ( I didnt touch the treble tilt) control .
it is very important , because if you dont do that you might think that they dont sound ok , but it is the room fault.

I'm very happy , I can hear new detailes on my mixes & reference songs ( I even heard a chair moving in one of my reference C.D.'s lol)

Tell you the truth , in the begening before I adjust the tilt & roll of control I had too
much Bass & the trable & mid's wasnt cutting like it should, but as soon that I adjust , the problem disapeared & it sound just great.

poor mixing will suck big time on this speakers.

This speakers are super & I listened 5 hrs of music on them today & I feel still fresh (on my Tannoy & jbl my ears were going to be tired)

15th July 2005	#1
spike66 Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5 Thread Starter	need advice for studio speakers, genelec,Adam or Dynaudio Hi , I have a home studio , but with good gear. till now I was mixing with an old jbl & tannoy reveal . I want to upgrade & my budget is +/- 2000€ for a pair. We dont have a place in my city that I can go to listen. can you advice me? My option is between : Genelec 8040 or 8050 , Adam P22a or P33a , Dynaudio BM6a & Far AV6D . I'm doing mostly Fusion Musik as a bass player & producing some pop & rock groops. I dont need to be very loud , but I need something that is flat as possible & have a good bass response that translate good to the real world sound. I dont do techno stuff . ant advice ? Thanks

15th July 2005	#2
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15th July 2005	#13
Ari-M. Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 972	matter of opinion I own a comercial facility so i have had the luxury of using and owning quite a few of your candidates. here is a list of my opinions... Genelec---never heard a set I could stand to use for more than a few hours. the top is totally synthesized and hyped (the only exception would be the s30c, which is a decent speaker) PMC's---I own a set of 1b1's and I have to say that they would make a great set of speakers for the house. in studio use they are very inconsistent and unreliable (be sure you have a box of mid's and tweets handy) Dynaudio---I believe these are the best speakers made today (with the exception of Meyer x-10's). They are reliable, consistent, un-hyped and an exceptional reference. The bm15's are great and are a proven studio monitor. Just my opinions. There is some other stuff out there that is a cut above, but not within your budget. If you want to up the ante check out ATC. They are a solid speaker. Ari M. P.S. don't buy anything you can't hear first...and certainly don't buy on someone elses advice (YOUR ears should be the final verdict).

16th July 2005	#18
spike66 Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5 Thread Starter	Got my Genelec 8040 Finally I got the Genelec 8040 ( here in Belgium for 1250€ for the pair) I found a place that I could hear them all & I prefered the Gennie. when you here them first , you have to adjust the Desktop control , Bass roll off , Bass tilt ( I didnt touch the treble tilt) control . it is very important , because if you dont do that you might think that they dont sound ok , but it is the room fault. I'm very happy , I can hear new detailes on my mixes & reference songs ( I even heard a chair moving in one of my reference C.D.'s lol) Tell you the truth , in the begening before I adjust the tilt & roll of control I had too much Bass & the trable & mid's wasnt cutting like it should, but as soon that I adjust , the problem disapeared & it sound just great. poor mixing will suck big time on this speakers. This speakers are super & I listened 5 hrs of music on them today & I feel still fresh (on my Tannoy & jbl my ears were going to be tired)

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15th July 2005	#3
amino Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 641	I'm in the exact same position. I also have a home studio and I'm looking for new monitors. I'm not into the same kind of music, but my budget is roughly the same and the speakers you meantion are some of the ones I've been looking at as well. I guess I'm a bit more lucky because I've found a place who carries all of these brands, including PMC. I will probably take a visit in two weeks time. I won't be able to listen to the Genelecs though. The music store told me that they removed them from the listening room because people simply didn't think they were good enough. If you're patient I can give you a full report later.

15th July 2005	#6
gsharp Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 722	Replaced my BM6P / Chevin A500 combo with S3A's and loving it.

15th July 2005	#7
JulianBrightnes Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 390	Check out PSI. New Swiss brand. Have em in the studio. Amazing monitors, not cheap, though. Cheers, Julian

15th July 2005	#8
kudzu Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Scotland UK Posts: 709	BM6a's here...mixes translate v.well...all clients love'm......dying to hear ADAM's stuff tho....

15th July 2005	#10
garysjo Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pembroke, MA USA Posts: 163	Who sells the PMC's stateside?

15th July 2005	#12
Tetness Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 1,572	Barefoot MM12's are the *&&^^t if you can dish out 10Gs. http://www.barefootsound.com/mm12.htm Other than that, ADAM S3A's are sick. That's what I have.

15th July 2005	#14
squeegybug Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: MO USA Posts: 2,152	Yep, sure are personal difference there. I threw the BM15s out fast as I could, once I got the PMC TB2+ in. No comparison for me, especially in the quality of the mids -- as in "not there" on the Dynaudio, and can hear every word on PMC.... <shrugs> Steve

16th July 2005	#16
Rick Shepherd Gear maniac Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 270	Just to make it more difficult for you to decide, I would recommend a pair of the SR-823 speakers made by Daedalus Audio I have a pair of the SR-823s and a pair of the W-803s. If you do some research on Daedalus speakers you will see what many audiophiles have to say about the quality. I use the 823s as monitors for recording right now, and they are truly wonderful, top notch! Check them out.

16th July 2005	#17
BJohnston Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lower Midwest Posts: 277	I've got BM6A's as well and love 'em.

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