HYDROGYN at WireWorld

**mwagener** · 14th July 2005

I was thinking to put up a series of videos from the production process, a snippet of one song on it's way from pre-pro all the way through the mix in it's different stages. It would be a series of short videos of the band recording that song (or a part of it) as they become available. The sound would mostly come off the camera mic, unless I can somehow sync it up with the board mix. Would you guys and girls be interested in something like that?

natpub · 14th July 2005

I think it would be absolutely fantastic and very instructional. Almost like a free mini-visit to one of your workshops!

killer!

ryguydrum@netsc · 14th July 2005

That would be awesome! It would be great to be a "virtual" fly on the wall. Thanks

C.Lambrechts · 14th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwagener

Would you guys and girls be interested in something like that?

uhu ......

Mental Audio · 14th July 2005

Oh, yeah. Very interested!

GMR · 14th July 2005

Definitely! Still enjoy a lot of your past work and would be fun and great to see you in action!

84K · 14th July 2005

Drumsound · 14th July 2005

Yes please.

Jonkan · 14th July 2005

I would love it! Do it!

/Jonas

dim light · 14th July 2005

super cool!

opentune · 14th July 2005

Yeah, do it!

We all wanna see it. It´s a great idea to do this
in a documentary style.

Can´t wait!

Jules · 14th July 2005

**mwagener** · 14th July 2005

Cool, I get going on this.

Question: what do you Web guys use to compress from a Quicktime movie (well over 200 Mb) with 16 bit/48kHz sound to something around 2-3 Mb with decent looking video and MP3 stereo soundfile, compatible for Mac and PC? I'm on a Mac and I have FCP, AfterFX etc.

JulianBrightnes · 14th July 2005

Hi Michael,

Really looking forward to this! Great idea.
Asked the video-guys here (I work at a post-production house) and they always use the Sorensen 3 compression of Quicktime pro, fifteen keyframes 320x240, or smaller
resolution.

Cheers, Julian

PS: forgot the sound! I 'like' IMA 4:1 16bit mono 32K

**mwagener** · 14th July 2005

Thanx Julian, I'll check that out.

Well, here is the first little clip. It's preproduction at Thunder Bay Studio in Ashland, KY.

Part of pre-production for me is checking out the gear the band is using and deciding what has to be done. In this case we needed to get the guitars set up, so they stayed in tune, as you will hear at the end of the song. The sound is coming from the camera mic and has been further mangled by the video/audio compressor. Notice my little "workstation" in the middle of the room, I like to be in there with the band for this part of the project to get a better feel for everything.

I'm working on making the files smaller and better quality. Let me know if both platforms can open the file.

Here ya go:
HYDROGYN -Big Star- pre production

Hope it works, have fun.

JulianBrightnes · 14th July 2005

Working OK here, on a Mac. sound and picture definitly acceptable.

Cheers, Julian

5down1up · 14th July 2005

looks & sounds goooooooooood

Drumsound · 14th July 2005

Worked fine here. OSX.3.9 on an older mac. I think it looks fine and the sound off the camera is surprisingly good. they must really have thier 'ensemble' sound dialed in. Or did you tweak their PA and room?

Thaks for sharing.

**mwagener** · 14th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drumsound

Worked fine here. OSX.3.9 on an older mac. I think it looks fine and the sound off the camera is surprisingly good. they must really have thier 'ensemble' sound dialed in. Or did you tweak their PA and room?

Thaks for sharing.

No, the only thing in the PA is the voice. I have the feeling that the compressor in the camera circuit does a decent job on glueing stuff together. We recorded the session with 6 mics plus the bass DI. I'll see if I can find some of the board sound, it was pretty impressive for just a few mics.

GYang · 14th July 2005

thumbsup

u b k · 14th July 2005

thanks for the video, michael, this should be very interesting indeed.

so, do you ever do other types of music at your workshops? i find myself wishing for a sweet acoustic ensemble: vocals, backing singers, guitar (maybe nylon string), drums and bass, piano, and a string quartet.

now THAT is something i'd pay to workshop on.

gregoire
del ubik

drmmrboy · 14th July 2005

Works fine on my Windoze box.

RoundBadge · 14th July 2005

Works here..that singer is hot.. I'll watch more of this,

Hey Michael ..it's easy to make a cable run for the 2 mix to camera..provided the operator isn't gonna do crazy running moves etc..you'll always have a decent mix to camera..
I've done this at various studios a bunch of times for shooting documentary stuff... just a 2 pair of XLR [50 foot run is usaully good for the control room..and another seperate 50-100 footer pair for the tracking room,size dependent.. [seperate patch] tied together [if camera is 2 xlr in]
or just headphone out to 1/8 inch mini adapter..just make sure the connection at camera is safety tied off..so a little tug doesn't kill the inputs.
just have to mind the cables..[interns are great for that !]
then you always get a good clean 2 mix .
I've even done wireless 2 mix sends to various cameras for bigger budget stuff..total freedom of movement
just make sure the camera inputs are line, in manual gain
Great idea!
Look forward to seeing more! thumbsup

Jules · 15th July 2005

Mac is fine, streaming pretty much kept pace on my old skool Airport too..

Jay Doucet · 15th July 2005

Looks great to me Michael..

**mwagener** · 15th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwagener

We recorded the session with 6 mics plus the bass DI. I'll see if I can find some of the board sound, it was pretty impressive for just a few mics.

here is the MP3 from the 6 mic mix in rehearsal, it could be another take, I'm not sure

warhead · 15th July 2005

I just want to know who the camera person was who panned OUT.

War

PS: Thanks, Michael!

u b k · 15th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by warhead

I just want to know who the camera person was who panned OUT.

my guess: the bass player's girlfriend.

gregoire
del ubik

**mwagener** · 15th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by warhead

I just want to know who the camera person was who panned OUT.

War

PS: Thanks, Michael!

That would be me. Don't worry there will be more closeups...

**mwagener** · 15th July 2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

Works here..that singer is hot.. I'll watch more of this,

Hey Michael ..it's easy to make a cable run for the 2 mix to camera..provided the operator isn't gonna do crazy running moves etc..you'll always have a decent mix to camera..
I've done this at various studios a bunch of times for shooting documentary stuff... just a 2 pair of XLR [50 foot run is usaully good for the control room..and another seperate 50-100 footer pair for the tracking room,size dependent.. [seperate patch] tied together [if camera is 2 xlr in]
or just headphone out to 1/8 inch mini adapter..just make sure the connection at camera is safety tied off..so a little tug doesn't kill the inputs.
just have to mind the cables..[interns are great for that !]
then you always get a good clean 2 mix .
I've even done wireless 2 mix sends to various cameras for bigger budget stuff..total freedom of movement
just make sure the camera inputs are line, in manual gain
Great idea!
Look forward to seeing more! thumbsup

Thanx for the advice. I normally want the sound from the camera mic, but it's easy to sync up the board mix in FCP if needed. For some of the next videos it might be better to have the recorded sound rather than the camera mic, so you can hear what went to "tape".

14th July 2005	#1
mwagener High End Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Music City USA Posts: 3,582 Thread Starter	HYDROGYN - The making of "Bombshell" I was thinking to put up a series of videos from the production process, a snippet of one song on it's way from pre-pro all the way through the mix in it's different stages. It would be a series of short videos of the band recording that song (or a part of it) as they become available. The sound would mostly come off the camera mic, unless I can somehow sync it up with the board mix. Would you guys and girls be interested in something like that? __________________ Michael Wagener http://www.michaelwagener.com Next Production Workshop scheduled for February 4th through 10th, 2012 Please read reviews about the production workshops here Click here for production workshop DVD updates.

14th July 2005	#2
natpub More cowbell! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,084 1 Review written	I think it would be absolutely fantastic and very instructional. Almost like a free mini-visit to one of your workshops! killer! __________________ Sonic Sorcery Austin, Texas

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Drumsound Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bloomington Il Posts: 5,032	Worked fine here. OSX.3.9 on an older mac. I think it looks fine and the sound off the camera is surprisingly good. they must really have thier 'ensemble' sound dialed in. Or did you tweak their PA and room? Thaks for sharing. __________________ Tony Oxide Lounge Recording See the Oxide Lounge! Follow me on TWITTER! WWJMD? Come see me on the Tape Op boards! It's only inches on the reel to reel

15th July 2005	#24
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A Yank in London, UK Posts: 17,356 1 Review written	Mac is fine, streaming pretty much kept pace on my old skool Airport too.. __________________ Jules Add your reviews to the new reviews area! Gearslutz on Facebook Follow my GS picks on Twitter

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Jay Doucet Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 34	Video Looks great to me Michael..

14th July 2005	#3
ryguydrum@netsc Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sherman Hoax, California Posts: 174	That would be awesome! It would be great to be a "virtual" fly on the wall. Thanks

14th July 2005	#5
Mental Audio Gear Head Join Date: May 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 31	Oh, yeah. Very interested!

14th July 2005	#6
GMR Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 265	Definitely! Still enjoy a lot of your past work and would be fun and great to see you in action!

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84K Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: right coast Posts: 3,857

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Jonkan Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Malmö, Sweden Posts: 237	I would love it! Do it! /Jonas

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dim light Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: China Posts: 2,336	super cool!

14th July 2005	#11
opentune Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: good ol´germany Posts: 1,553	Yeah, do it! We all wanna see it. It´s a great idea to do this in a documentary style. Can´t wait!

14th July 2005	#13
mwagener High End Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Music City USA Posts: 3,582 Thread Starter	Cool, I get going on this. Question: what do you Web guys use to compress from a Quicktime movie (well over 200 Mb) with 16 bit/48kHz sound to something around 2-3 Mb with decent looking video and MP3 stereo soundfile, compatible for Mac and PC? I'm on a Mac and I have FCP, AfterFX etc.

14th July 2005	#14
JulianBrightnes Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 390	Hi Michael, Really looking forward to this! Great idea. Asked the video-guys here (I work at a post-production house) and they always use the Sorensen 3 compression of Quicktime pro, fifteen keyframes 320x240, or smaller resolution. Cheers, Julian PS: forgot the sound! I 'like' IMA 4:1 16bit mono 32K

14th July 2005	#17
5down1up Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 1,989	looks & sounds goooooooooood

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GYang Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: here Posts: 4,285	thumbsup

14th July 2005	#21
u b k Gear Guru Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Land of Sunshine Posts: 11,035	thanks for the video, michael, this should be very interesting indeed. so, do you ever do other types of music at your workshops? i find myself wishing for a sweet acoustic ensemble: vocals, backing singers, guitar (maybe nylon string), drums and bass, piano, and a string quartet. now THAT is something i'd pay to workshop on. gregoire del ubik

14th July 2005	#22
drmmrboy Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Philadelphia PA Posts: 2,757	Works fine on my Windoze box.

14th July 2005	#23
RoundBadge Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca. Posts: 8,753	Works here..that singer is hot.. I'll watch more of this, Hey Michael ..it's easy to make a cable run for the 2 mix to camera..provided the operator isn't gonna do crazy running moves etc..you'll always have a decent mix to camera.. I've done this at various studios a bunch of times for shooting documentary stuff... just a 2 pair of XLR [50 foot run is usaully good for the control room..and another seperate 50-100 footer pair for the tracking room,size dependent.. [seperate patch] tied together [if camera is 2 xlr in] or just headphone out to 1/8 inch mini adapter..just make sure the connection at camera is safety tied off..so a little tug doesn't kill the inputs. just have to mind the cables..[interns are great for that !] then you always get a good clean 2 mix . I've even done wireless 2 mix sends to various cameras for bigger budget stuff..total freedom of movement just make sure the camera inputs are line, in manual gain Great idea! Look forward to seeing more! thumbsup

15th July 2005	#27
warhead Jai guru deva om Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 11,910	I just want to know who the camera person was who panned OUT. War PS: Thanks, Michael! __________________ Warren Dent - Owner of: www.ZenProAudio.com Where You Get Gear Now & Zen Email via Gearslutz

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