Klein hummel o110 & o300

[HomeProducer]

I know that these Monitors have their fans in this forum.

I heard the amp in the o300 is rather limited.

I thought to upgrade from 8050 to o300 in the hope to get more
midrange detail, although the 8050 isn't bad. (or to get the o110
as an additional system).

If someone would listen at 85 dB, maximum 90 dB with the o300 in 1.80 meters distance. Do these speakers already start to compress transients or limit the signal at this level? This would be a very important thing because they should serve me both as mixing and mastering monitors.

I also read the o110 have limited dynamics.

I like the fast transient response of Adam monitors.

regards

[Tube World]

Originally Posted by HomeProducer

I know that these Monitors have their fans in this forum.

I heard the amp in the o300 is rather limited.

I thought to upgrade from 8050 to o300 in the hope to get more
midrange detail, although the 8050 isn't bad. (or to get the o110
as an additional system).

If someone would listen at 85 dB, maximum 90 dB with the o300 in 1.80 meters distance. Do these speakers already start to compress transients or limit the signal at this level? This would be a very important thing because they should serve me both as mixing and mastering monitors.

I also read the o110 have limited dynamics.

I like the fast transient response of Adam monitors.

regards

Don't believe everything you have read. I never heard anyone saying the amp in the 0300 was lacking in any way, nor the 0100 having limited dynamics. Their bass response is not as good as the larger ones, but both having been very well received. You should make every effort to hear them for yourself, and not rely on most people here who are faceless. One person I trust is Hugh Robjohns from Sound on Sound magazine. A former BBC engineer. He has tested both of these monitors and gave a full report on pros and cons with both.

Klein+Hummel O 110
Type in 0300 for their review under search

[NathanEldred]

The only time the limiter has ever kicked in at 85-90db on the 0300's for me is when I've had the kick drum or bass guitar unusably higher than needed. When I put in a mix that I've done (that is mixed correctly), for instance even a very thick low tuned metal band, even with kick drums wailing at 32nd notes and low B string on the bass, I can play the 0300's all day at least at 100db without any sign of the limiter. Once the mix is compressed/limited (as in a commercial release) they can go even a bit louder without limiting. Even some thicker alt/rock stuff like Radio Head where the bass is really thick (like Karma Police), it's loud enough for a small party where people can't have a conversation if they are in the same room as the speakers. So in other words, if you are mixing at 105db or above, these aren't the speakers for you...but if you are mixing that loud you won't be in the industry for very long due to hearing damage.

[elmolemon]

Test them! And test them in your own studio!

The O300 is a great monitor. If you want more volume, you can add a O800 later and if your room is treated well, you should be fine!



But i'm not sure if the O300 is the "upgrade" you're looking for.

Maybe you just need a second reference monitor, like a pair of NS-10, Ginkos or Avantones.

[HomeProducer]

Thank you for your replies!

One person I trust is Hugh Robjohns from Sound on Sound magazine. A former BBC engineer. He has tested both of these monitors and gave a full report on pros and cons with both.

Magazines tend to present things in a very positive way. I newer read bad critics in "Sound on Sound" or a lot of other magazines. They sometimes oversee faults, so I rather collect opinions in some forums from professional users which gives me an unbiased average opinion.

The only time the limiter has ever kicked in at 85-90db on the 0300's for me is when I've had the kick drum or bass guitar unusably higher than needed. When I put in a mix that I've done (that is mixed correctly), for instance even a very thick low tuned metal band, even with kick drums wailing at 32nd notes and low B string on the bass, I can play the 0300's all day at least at 100db without any sign of the limiter. Once the mix is compressed/limited (as in a commercial release) they can go even a bit louder without limiting. Even some thicker alt/rock stuff like Radio Head where the bass is really thick (like Karma Police), it's loud enough for a small party where people can't have a conversation if they are in the same room as the speakers. So in other words, if you are mixing at 105db or above, these aren't the speakers for you...but if you are mixing that loud you won't be in the industry for very long due to hearing damage.

thank you. that was the information I was looking for.

But i'm not sure if the O300 is the "upgrade" you're looking for.

Maybe you just need a second reference monitor, like a pair of NS-10, Ginkos or Avantones.

Yes I have Adam A7, HS-50m and KRK V8 (very ugly sounding). The best speakers are my Canton Ergo 902 Hifispeakers btw, more revealing than the mentioned three (not kidding!).

In my room, mixes can come out a bit boxy due to some light weakness at 300 Hz and 500 Hz. Also the Genelecs have a bit emphasized presence and mixes sound rather too soft on cheap systems. Room treatment is moderate. I need a system which does not hype 100 Hz and the upper mids.