Bricasti M7 v2.0 - Page 2

Casey · 13th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyrockyhorror

Are you 100% sure v2 will not affect the existing v1 quality in any way? Because I've heard some claims that upgrades in general can sometimes compromise the original sounds.... and if that happened to the M7, I would flip out.

100% sure!

-Casey

ray dsr · 13th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey

You will receive two new EPROMs which are chips that are used to replace two socketed chips on the main board.

-Casey

is this covered under the warranty in case i mess something up? just being paranoid.

Casey · 13th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray dsr

is this covered under the warranty in case i mess something up? just being paranoid.

Yes we would cover you. But we ask folks to have a tech do the change over if they do not feel qualified to perform this type of task. Your safety is more important than the safety of the M7. Make sure everything is unplugged!

It is also possible to send the M7 to your local distributor for the upgrade. The contact information for all of our distibutors is on our web site.

-Casey

jlsgear · 13th April 2009

Just to clarify ... is this a simple "pop out" EPROM ?

Or a soldered socket that requires soldering ??

I think its the pop out but thought I'd confirm ...

In the case of a pop-out why would a tech be needed by anybody ?

Just curious.

jls.

Casey · 13th April 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlsgear

Just to clarify ... is this a simple "pop out" EPROM ?

Or a soldered socket that requires soldering ??

I think its the pop out but thought I'd confirm ...

In the case of a pop-out why would a tech be needed by anybody ?

Just curious.

jls.

Yes it is the "pop out" type. NO soldering is required.

I just think folks have different levels of comfort about opening up a box.

-Casey

cleartrueblue · 6th May 2009

Hi Casey,

I obtained an impression at some point that the update would include an additional parameter or feature having to do with the sound stage (width?)...something like that. Can you comment?

Also that a software interface (similar to what TC has for the 4000/6000) was in the works...just a matter of when. Still the case (if it ever was)?

Big fan. Hoping I can carve out the dough for a second box from this kitchen remodel I'm in the midst of (Craigslist here I come...).

Thanks.

redrue · 6th May 2009

Also Casey...

How will you handle the distribution of the upgrade
to current users?

I'd think we'd have to make some sort of request
confirming our addresses etc. before the eproms
would be sent ?

I'd like to go ahead and put in my request/confirm
my address as soon as it's prudent...

Casey · 6th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by cleartrueblue

I obtained an impression at some point that the update would include an additional parameter or feature having to do with the sound stage (width?)...something like that. Can you comment?

Yes you are right. V2 will allow the user to select 1 of 3 soundstages for any given machine.

This is very useful in surround applications, as it will allow up to 3 M7s to be set up with different soundstages in order to provide an improved front to back image.

In stereo applications involving 2 or 3 M7s, the use of different soundstages will improve the left right image and overall clarity of the reverb, as the soundstages are complementary to one another.

When comparing one soundstage to another on their own, the differences are subtle. The intention is to improve the performance of several M7s working together.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cleartrueblue

Also that a software interface (similar to what TC has for the 4000/6000) was in the works...just a matter of when. Still the case (if it ever was)?

We are looking for a third party to provide this. In fact I was just discussing this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey

In this thread.

-Casey

Casey · 6th May 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by redrue

How will you handle the distribution of the upgrade
to current users?

I'd think we'd have to make some sort of request
confirming our addresses etc. before the eproms
would be sent ?

I'd like to go ahead and put in my request/confirm
my address as soon as it's prudent...

Yes you are right. We have a registration page on our site, but for some reason it is not working correctly right now. It should be back up soon. I will post it's availability on several of these threads, as well as on the front page of the Bricasti site.

-Casey

Gilli C · 6th May 2009

Cant wait cant wait cant wait for V2!!

been taking mine out on my live gig - a lovely acoustic group with 5 part vocals & getting loads of complements on the vocal sound. I can create such lovely ambiences with it, and it kind of blends or extends into the room somehow...sort of hard to explain what its doing for me live. I wish I could justify buying another....

Gil

Jack Weaver · 22nd May 2009

Quote:

Early summer (before it gets to warm) would have been my reply.

I'm in Tucson and it's been hot for some time now. Does this make you a prevaricator?

And yes, the Toontrack drum addenda would be great....and a software interface for the M7!

Thanks,
Jack

ray dsr · 27th June 2009

it was pretty warm out here in NYC today. are we close to seeing the update?

Casey · 27th June 2009

I have gotten into that state that I always find myself in just before letting go of a project. Late.

Everyday it is a little closer.

-Casey

author · 28th June 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey

I have gotten into that state that I always find myself in just before letting go of a project. Late.
-Casey

Take it easy!

Le Lab · 28th June 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey

I have gotten into that state that I always find myself in just before letting go of a project. Late.

Everyday it is a little closer.

-Casey

I can smell AES NYC coming also closer...

Jack Weaver · 29th June 2009

I guess that's where Bricasti will be showing their new surround, digital-only model.

.

Casey · 29th June 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Weaver

I guess that's where Bricasti will be showing their new surround, digital-only model.

.

Are you kidding me? Not in the plan!!!

I have just finished the M10 remote. The V2 software is at the point of no return, and I have been developing (and hosting listening parties for) the custom filters used in our upcoming DAC.

And the whether is getting warm!

-Casey

Jack Weaver · 29th June 2009

Well of course I was just trying to cause a little bit of stirring of the waters.

I imagine as any manufacturer you take a look at your user base - myself included, being the happy owner of a couple of M7's. So you probably have looked at these numbers:

- How many use M7's with DAW's and/or digital consoles?
Meaning that they likely have Digital i/o available to them.

- What % is that of your total users and what % of qualified/potential customers that don't already own Bricasti products.

- How many of them prefer Digital i/o to Analog? What % of them consider the analog a uselessly redundant expense?

- What % of the cost of a current M7 is all the analog conversion hardware & design?

- How many of your potential users prefer to have to purchase 3 M7's in order to do surround?

- How many first-time buyers would be spurred to purchase a stereo M7 if the cost was just a bit lower but the product quality remained impeccable?

I would think that if the numbers stack up that:

Given a stereo M7 with Digital i/o only - then many people would tend to use their digital i/o's and purchase multiples of M7's. And a lot more people could get in the game with their first unit since the entry point would be somewhat lower.

A Digital-only Surround unit would spur sales to the smaller post crowd that has a hard time justifying $11K+ for a surround reverb setup.

Caveat:
Since I don't the the Bricasti Corp. it's really easy for me to say all this stuff. My pocket book is on the line to a much lesser extent than yours on this proposition.
I also wouldn't expect you to share your marketing with us. I'm sure that if you did a marketing survey you should use less 'weighted' questions than I did in the above queries. I am lobbying for a particular thing.

However, I would look forward to hearing your thoughts on these matters. Thanks for taking all the time your do on these forums.

Best regards always,
Jack

Led · 29th June 2009

Hey Jack, next you'll be askin when it's comin out as a plugin

Jack Weaver · 29th June 2009

Uh no... that wouldn't be me asking for it to be a plugin - ever. You've totally misread my intention.

My comments were made in the hopes of some day getting other Bricasti hardware I'd like to purchase in addition to what I have already.

.

Led · 29th June 2009

Hey Jack, I was just ribbin ya, hence the smiley.

DarkSky Media · 29th June 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey

...custom filters used in our upcoming DAC.

Curious to hear more about this. Anything else you can tell us, Casey?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey

...And the whether is getting warm!

Not where I am... :|

But nonetheless I'm looking forward to getting my hands on v2!

Jack Weaver · 29th June 2009

Thanks Led,

I was wondering if that particular smiley meant agreement or not. Sometimes smileys can be used sorta multi-dimensionally and nuanced. I was actually a bit more concerned that other readers might think differently about your comment.

But I appreciate the shout back. Hope all is well in Oz land.

Jack

Casey · 29th June 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Weaver

being the happy owner of a couple of M7's.

Well v2 incorporates the ability to decorrelate up to three M7s for surround. I honestly can't make a better surround solution than that.

As for digital, the decision to stay with an analog interface, has everything to do with resale value for you! After years go by, the difference in the cost of a used M7 that only supports digital I/O will be what? 1 or 2 hundred dollars. So the resale of digital only systems would be very limited. You may laugh but this is our reasoning!

-Casey

thethrillfactor · 29th June 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey

Well v2 incorporates the ability to decorrelate up to three M7s for surround. I honestly can't make a better surround solution than that.

As for digital, the decision to stay with an analog interface, has everything to do with resale value for you! After years go by, the difference in the cost of a used M7 that only supports digital I/O will be what? 1 or 2 hundred dollars. So the resale of digital only systems would be very limited. You may laugh but this is our reasoning!

-Casey

Hi Casey,

Will the V2 have the midi implementations we spoke about early in the year, such as the ability to store the current setup/patch over a sysex dump for recalls?
(If so i think sometime this year i will be next to make the Bricasti reverb plunge).

Casey · 29th June 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Will the V2 have the midi implementations we spoke about early in the year, such as the ability to store the current setup/patch over a sysex dump for recalls?

Yes.

Pressing the store button for a couple of seconds, like a radio button, sends the entire state of the M7 out the midi port, using a sysex format.

The entire state includes every tweaked parameter, even if it has not been saved to a favorite or a register. It also includes the complete state of the front panel and user interface, so that when restored the M7 is set to exactly where it was left when the store button was pressed.

-Casey

thethrillfactor · 29th June 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey

Yes.

Pressing the store button for a couple of seconds, like a radio button, sends the entire state of the M7 out the midi port, using a sysex format.

The entire state includes every tweaked parameter, even if it has not been saved to a favorite or a register. It also includes the complete state of the front panel and user interface, so that when restored the M7 is set to exactly where it was left when the store button was pressed.

-Casey

Great.

(Currently saving the pennies one by one for my Bricasti purchase).

IvanP · 12th October 2009

Is there a way to know which software version we are using? (firmware keyboard trick or v1 and v2 sweeping buttons combinations, etc)

I bought a new Bricasti but I'm not sure which version is it or how to change versions...manual doesn't say anything so I guess it's a v1...

Thks.

danger · 12th October 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by IvanP

Is there a way to know which software version we are using? (firmware keyboard trick or v1 and v2 sweeping buttons combinations, etc)

I bought a new Bricasti but I'm not sure which version is it or how to change versions...manual doesn't say anything so I guess it's a v1...

Thks.

I can tell you from thousands of miles away: You are using version 1.

DarkSky Media · 12th October 2009

Version 1.0 is the only version currently available (or that has ever been available to date).

Version 2.0 is imminent and will be a free upgrade for all owners of version 1.0, so we have been told.

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jlsgear Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: OTTAWA Posts: 642	Just to clarify ... is this a simple "pop out" EPROM ? Or a soldered socket that requires soldering ?? I think its the pop out but thought I'd confirm ... In the case of a pop-out why would a tech be needed by anybody ? Just curious. jls.

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Gilli C Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wellington NZ Posts: 164	Cant wait cant wait cant wait for V2!! been taking mine out on my live gig - a lovely acoustic group with 5 part vocals & getting loads of complements on the vocal sound. I can create such lovely ambiences with it, and it kind of blends or extends into the room somehow...sort of hard to explain what its doing for me live. I wish I could justify buying another.... Gil

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Jack Weaver Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 203	I guess that's where Bricasti will be showing their new surround, digital-only model. .

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Led Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,711	Hey Jack, next you'll be askin when it's comin out as a plugin

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DarkSky Media Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,913	Version 1.0 is the only version currently available (or that has ever been available to date). Version 2.0 is imminent and will be a free upgrade for all owners of version 1.0, so we have been told.