EMT 140

[Froombosch]

Hello all,

Is a 140 a must have in a studio? I can buy one in good condition for about $2000 (transistor version) and it is located near so I can pick it up...

I have an H8000, Eclipse, Quadraverb and PCM 91. Will it be a nice addition?

kind regards,


Harrie

[Bob Olhsson]

yes

[JulianBrightnes]

Get it!!!! Worked with the real thing a couple of times and it's just fan-tas-tic.
I use the Wendy Carlos IR for Altiverb all the time.

But damn, I miss that real one....


Cheers, Julian

[Flora]

yes

[themaidsroom]

it will make the other ones you have seem really different...

[blackbox]

decent price for a must-have piece of outboard.
move your ass, quick!
make sure you have a quiet, isolated spot/closet/attic in your studio to put it as well.

[John Noll]

The single most important piece of gear in our place is an EMT 140 stereo plate .

[Igotsoul4u]

The new tape op has a review of the UA 140 plugin. They say it sounds good. I don't know either way, but it's a much smaller option.

[Igotsoul4u]

The new tape op has a review of the UA 140 plugin. They say it sounds good. I don't know either way, but it's a much smaller option.

[jonnyclueless]

Originally Posted by Froombosch

Hello all,

Is a 140 a must have in a studio? I can buy one in good condition for about $2000 (transistor version) and it is located near so I can pick it up...

I have an H8000, Eclipse, Quadraverb and PCM 91. Will it be a nice addition?

kind regards,


Harrie

I would get it, but having a quadraverb next to it, you may end up dissappointed.

[Froombosch]

Thank you for all your opinions. I am going to listen and look at this machine. They have a transistor and a tube version for sale. Which one would you prefer?

Harrie

[Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Igotsoul4u

The new tape op has a review of the UA 140 plugin. They say it sounds good. I don't know either way, but it's a much smaller option.

I have only heard two digital reverb algorithms that could even be considered next to an EMT plate... the EMT-250 and the Kurzweil KSP-8.

There are a ton of other reverb plugins, none of which sound anything like a real plate in my opinion...

Peace.

[Kenny Gioia]

No question it's a great plate.

Although, most people I know got them for free if they were willing to cart it out of their studio.

[jayridge]

I just came across a company called plate-sonics that appears to be making new plates. I don't know anything about them (still waiting on a reply to a looong list of q's), but the prices are a lot less than what you are talking about... might be worth a call.

http://www.platesonics.com/

[Ruphus]

Originally Posted by jonnyclueless

I would get it, but having a quadraverb next to it, you may end up dissappointed.

I´ve been after a Quadraverb II for a while, but finally gave up, thinking convolution apps would make it superfluos.

However, over time found that any sort of hall has its own stregth and application. ( Just days ago wrote a guy who was offering a M-5000 for 1600 Euros, but no reply so far.)

Are you serious with the Quadraverb or were you saying that it would compare too unfavourable to the EMT?

Ruphus

[nicolasixxx]

The 140 emulation in the TC 4000 is pretty good.

Nic

[patrox247]

Did Fletcher just put the KSP-8 in the same sentence with a 140?
?
?
Again ?

[Froombosch]

Originally Posted by Ruphus

I´ve been after a Quadraverb II for a while, but finally gave up, thinking convolution apps would make it superfluos.

However, over time found that any sort of hall has its own stregth and application. ( Just days ago wrote a guy who was offering a M-5000 for 1600 Euros, but no reply so far.)

Are you serious with the Quadraverb or were you saying that it would compare too unfavourable to the EMT?

Ruphus

The quadraverb is notting compared to the smooth 8000 reverbs, but I use it sometimes for thickening toms. It is another flavour but not much used here anymore.

Anyone who also has eventide Orville/8000/4000 and the EMT 140 and have compared these? I do use the emulation of the EMT plate inside the 8000 a lot and like it....

Tomorrow I will got to the place to listen and compare it with my Eclipse. Very curious.....

Or are there other European Studios thinking of selling theirs for less then the $2000?

Kind regards,



Harrie

[PRobb]

The TC-6000 has a wonderful 140 emulation, but nothing compares to the real thing. Just be aware that tensioning the springs that hold the plate is critical, if it is not right, you won't get the full effect.

[kevinc]

Originally Posted by jayridge

I just came across a company called plate-sonics that appears to be making new plates. I don't know anything about them (still waiting on a reply to a looong list of q's), but the prices are a lot less than what you are talking about... might be worth a call.

http://www.platesonics.com/

I`m wondering how they stack up to the old EMT`s. They seem very reasonably priced and they`ve got some smaller ones that would be way less of a bitch to deal with.

[Hiwatt]

While we are on the subject of plate reverbs... are the fairchild plates any good? A buddy of mine just picked one up, but I havn't heard it yet.

[Froombosch]

I went to another studio yesterday and listened to the EMT. I had brought with me the Eventide Eclipse, because I am considering a trade.

When I went inside the control room and studio I went nuts. Very dead room, not a thing I like.... I do not want to make records that way. Also the monitoring was very dark and not detailled, so it was hard to compare things. But because of the 2-inch taperecorder and the MCI desk the sound of the recordings where very very fat.

I liked the 140 compared to the eclipse. It has a dark signature, but is very rich, where the Eclipse is more thin and the EMT-plate emulation has notting to do with the real thing.

I am thinking of buying this beast because it is so different to my current verbs....

[Ruphus]

Thanks for the explanation above, Froombosch!

Ruphus

[MBishopSFX]

There isn't a real digital equivalent to a well-tuned EMT 140. The closest has been the TC 4/5/6K emulations, but are really not as rich and detailed as the real thing. An EMT 240 is a terrific device with a sound of its own, but it's completely different from the 140, IMO.

Just make sure the 140 plate has not become corroded and that you can install new tension clips. The best-sounding 140s have always had updated electronics as the original solid-state amplifier was pretty harsh with a high noise floor.

[Froombosch]

The version I listened too had tube electronics. Is that the best sounding version? The owner also has a transistor version and that one was more harsh sounding.

Kind regards,

[threm]

$2000 for one plate is way too much IMHO.
I sold two tube EMT140 last year for $2000. A little more than I payed for them three years earlier.

[Ruphus]

That´s what I was thinking all the time. I mean EMT must be the best out there, everybody in the studio literature mentioning them, but 2000 bucks for one channel appears like pretty out of hand to me.

And while at it, I´m in such a great mood about a deal that seems so nice. Due to a little latency in communication the seller of a TC M-5000 had put the box on Ebay already for 1550 start and 2000 buy it now. The seller was willing to take it out again, but received my answer too late, already in the 12 hours before auction end period. So, I said good-bye to the opportunity, not willing to clinch around for it.

Today being a great day anyway, when I came back home found his e-mail. Noone had bet on the unit eventhough it has the mastering option loaded which alone has been a thousand bucks extra. Some people asked him outside Ebay, but he now will be selling it to me for those 1500 inclusive shipping.
I said for such a fair offer he shall let me take the shipping at least as a tiny guesture.

Seems this box just wanted to come to me and I do appreciate that very much.

Cheers,

Ruphus

[Froombosch]

Originally Posted by threm

$2000 for one plate is way too much IMHO.
I sold two tube EMT140 last year for $2000. A little more than I payed for them three years earlier.

Okay! That is interesting... Then it is better to look around and try to get it cheaper....

Kind regards,



Harrie

[u b k]

Originally Posted by Froombosch

Okay! That is interesting... Then it is better to look around and try to get it cheaper...

did you make an offer? tell him what you're willing to pay, see how it goes.

i've found that the most effective way to get what i want is to ask for it ; )


gregoire
del ubik

[threm]

Originally Posted by Froombosch

Okay! That is interesting... Then it is better to look around and try to get it cheaper....

Harrie,
To be more price; I sold both for $2340 by todays currency, but closer to $2K at the selling time.
Both tube plates in great condition bought from the norwegian broadcasting company who had them since they were new (late fiftys ?).
I sold them because they occupied much needed space (1/3 of my living rom) for three years
I think you can find better deals by looking around and giving it some time.