Make PT LE work like HD?!!

[guitardom]

Originally Posted by mdjice

Well I do use reaper for productios for I need a lot of I/O not for recording but for mixing (on an analog console) so if i want to mix in PT, I have to go HD...

another half ass solution from there is that reaper will rewire into pro tools. in which case get something like 128 or 256 busses that could be a possible way to use reaper as i/o and you could do the mixing in le for plugs, automation, fx busses, etc....what obviously depending on what processing is done in your console and what is itb. though editing would still have to be done in reaper... used to have to do this with ableton before the mptk track count raise.

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Originally Posted by dhiltonlittle

no disrespect, just sayin.

KOOLZ DL..

[SaschaP]

Hey ryanojohn,

How are you and others dealing with latency when using hardware inserts while mxing?

[dhiltonlittle]

Originally Posted by SaschaP

Hey ryanojohn,

How are you and others dealing with latency when using hardware inserts while mxing?

mellowmuse ATA

[SaschaP]

Other than ATA or nudging tracks.

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Originally Posted by SaschaP

Other than ATA or nudging tracks.

I could be wrong but I dont think there is another way other than not using anything @ all; & really most plugs (rtas) don't induce a ton of latency...my biggest one normally is 104samples which u really won't hear..(consumer wise)...

[SaschaP]

I'm talking about real outboard hardware. Delays, reverbs, etc... How do you calculate and compenste for the delay caused by going in and out of say a Digi 003?

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Ohh..Well U'd still have to resort to the same solution as in the box...be it Nudging the audio or calculating thru Time Adjuster or MELLOWMUSE...

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by KEYBEEETSSS

Ohh..Well U'd still have to resort to the same solution as in the box...be it Nudging the audio or calculating thru Time Adjuster or MELLOWMUSE...

Correct, one of the best things about mellowmuse ATA is that it can compensate for outboard too!!

[guitardom]

Correct, one of the best things about mellowmuse ATA is that it can compensate for outboard too!!

also whats nice is it ata will show you your latency. once you get your pieces of gear figured out with you converter latency and such, even if you dont have ata in a session going you will know how much to nudge it if you get in a bind and need to insert that compressor.

[mdjice]

Originally Posted by guitardom

also whats nice is it ata will show you your latency. once you get your pieces of gear figured out with you converter latency and such, even if you dont have ata in a session going you will know how much to nudge it if you get in a bind and need to insert that compressor.

True But I hate nudging! the problem is when you nudge tracks, if you send the session out later for further edit/ mix or remixing it's all out of whack and you have to apply the effects and re nudge back.
ATA is good because you can just take it off kind of like time adjuster

[guitardom]

But I hate nudging! the problem is when you nudge tracks, if you send the session out later for further edit/ mix or remixing it's all out of whack and you have to apply the effects and re nudge back.
ATA is good because you can just take it off kind of like time adjuster

i 100% agree here. sometimes i have had to though, due to drumagog, some plugs that have hundreds or thousands samples of latency, but always VERY careful to keep my nudge amounts in the notes section of the i/o and before any nudging is done, do a copy and paste to a new playlist.

[WinterSun]

Originally Posted by SaschaP

Hey ryanojohn,

How are you and others dealing with latency when using hardware inserts while mxing?

This is by far the best resource for manual delay compensation: MDC Tutorials

(courtesy of "Peeder")

[ryanojohn]

I actually just use ATA.

Previously I used to use to nudge. I'd send a signal generator through two auxes, one through hardware and back and with a bypassed time adjuster plug, the other with just a time adjuster on it. Adjust the time with the polarity inverted, and at silence, you know your latency in samples or ms...


And yea I meant that you don't have to use a 192io with HD, you can use any converters, and you can use those same converters with LE... Like the Lynx, Apogee, or Lucid...

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Originally Posted by mdjice

True But I hate nudging! the problem is when you nudge tracks, if you send the session out later for further edit/ mix or remixing it's all out of whack and you have to apply the effects and re nudge back.

ATA is good because you can just take it off kind of like time adjuster

Actually the easiest way if u have to nudge is to of course duplicate ur playlist(i usually name mine .....ADC) find out how much samples the track(s) are off, hit alt+H(this is PC so translate for mac) & this brings up the shift option, put it on samples, then just type in the amount ur samples are off & there u have it...u still have ur original track on the 1st playlist if u need to go back or send the session out/take it to another studio...& really the thing with that is, 8 out of 10 times ur plugs selection aren't gonna match another person-studio anyway ..unless u only use digi plugs...

[Tony Shepperd]

Originally Posted by KEYBEEETSSS

Actually the easiest way if u have to nudge is to of course duplicate ur playlist(i usually name mine .....ADC) find out how much samples the track(s) are off, hit alt+H(this is PC so translate for mac) & this brings up the shift option, put it on samples, then just type in the amount ur samples are off & there u have it...u still have ur original track on the 1st playlist if u need to go back or send the session out/take it to another studio...& really the thing with that is, 8 out of 10 times ur plugs selection aren't gonna match another person-studio anyway ..unless u only use digi plugs...

Honestly, that process alone would be reason enough for me to move to HD.
That just seems like the black hole of creative energy.

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

Or buy HD and save all of that time for creative energy.
Honestly, that process alone would be a reason for me to move to HD.

With all due respect Pastor Sheppard(Pastor of mixing/engineering)
Thatz just @ least in 2day's world a waste of good green money... I speak from fact & not just another LI'DUDE down the street doin beats on the playstation, but someone who is actually doing & getting major work & I know i'm not the only 1 but, I can only speak for myself...But just for the record, I do have ur DVDS...

[Tony Shepperd]

Originally Posted by KEYBEEETSSS

With all due respect Pastor Shepperd(Pastor of mixing/engineering)
Thatz just @ least in 2day's world a waste of good green money... I speak from fact & not just another LI'DUDE down the street doin beats on the playstation, but someone who is actually doing & getting major work & I know i'm not the only 1 but, I can only speak for myself...But just for the record, I do have ur DVDS...

Thanks for buying my DVD, my second one that is all R&B production based, will be out in 3 weeks.
And no one questions your credits. I think that's great.

But it seems that working professionals could find more to do with their time than worrying about shifting tracks around.
If you're happy with doing it, then keep doing it.
But for the price of an used HD1 (around $2k), you could have all your RTAS power that you have now and add ADC and about 10 other significant features.

BTW, I'm not trying to sell you on anything.
I just think you should think about your options.
There are some great deals on used HD's right now.
It's Christmas time and lots of people who are hurting are needing to make some quick cash.

[ashley martel]

[quote=mdjice;3695352]
as to OP if you don't need more then 18 I/O LE can do pretty much anything HD can


can you link two 003 together to get i/0?

[KEYBEEETSSS]

Yeah I totally understand what ur saying Tony; but even doing the shift for me only takeout about the amount of time it takes to cut on ADC...Just saying for me its pretty fast & plus as for me, my biggest delay is normally 104samples with SONY OXFORD LIMITER; & I know i personally wouldn't be happier going to only HD1 knowing that my LE rig is "the Zohan" to an HD1 rig...lol

[KEYBEEETSSS]

[quote=ashley martel;3697308]

Originally Posted by mdjice

can you link two 003 together to get i/0?

Nope...

[ryanojohn]

actually with the new 003+ one of the key features is that you CAN link two, but LE and M Powered Still cap you at 18 ins and outs...

Not sure if thats changing in pt8 though

[joeq]

Originally Posted by mdjice

as to OP if you don't need more then 18 I/O LE can do pretty much anything HD can

what about using aux sends during tracking?

I like to use my HD auxes the way I would on a hardware board and send independent cue mixes to each musician. Can you do that in LE?

When you are in Low Latency in LE, the sends shut off. It really sucks for bands tracking live together. I hate working around that.

[mdjice]

[QUOTE=KEYBEEETSSS;3697315]

Originally Posted by ashley martel

Nope...

lol I never asked that!!